No single player? Count me out.

[Unster]

The graphics look nice and would be perfect for some sort of solo action or survival game. Too bad it's yet another MMO game.

[Cavador]

Agree. Count me out too.

[Lokma Selçuk]

Hi, thanks for your recommendation. We will consider to bring sp mode to the game. Have a nice day.

[Wanheda]

im in love mmo would like to see some gameplay tho its coming out this month?

[Lokma Selçuk]

Originally posted by Raunchy:

im in love mmo would like to see some gameplay tho its coming out this month?

We will be having a beta in 2 weeks if no problems occur. We will take some trailer footage at that point and also if you want to join beta you can join to our discord for more information. If you have any questions, we're glad to accept them. Have a nice day.

[Sir Seal The Slippery]

Complaining about a mmo because its a mmo,is like saying cars suck because they have wheels and are used for transportation.
Dont let the door hit you on your way out.


,,Dark Age of Death is a Singleplayer and NEW MMORPG Game''
Alright devs,please explain that to me....how do you make a game singleplayer AND a mmo at the same time?
Like,they are pretty much the very opposite of each other.
The point of mmo,s is that you are NOT playing alone.

Btw,i do hope that there wont be any,,private''or,,user hosted'' servers,only a few official ones.
Nothing massive about player hosted servers and it wouldnt be any different from lobby slashers.

[Unster]

Originally posted by Sir Seal The Slippery:

Complaining about a mmo because its a mmo,is like saying cars suck because they have wheels and are used for transportation.
Dont let the door hit you on your way out.

,,Dark Age of Death is a Singleplayer and NEW MMORPG Game''
Alright devs,please explain that to me....how do you make a game singleplayer AND a mmo at the same time?
Like,they are pretty much the very opposite of each other.
The point of mmo,s is that you are NOT playing alone.

No need for that tone. A better analogy would be if cars were made so that every seat has to be occupied for you to drive it, like forced car pooling. That's kind of what MMO's are. Anyway, no one here is complaining and I was just giving some feedback. If the game ends up being MMO-only, trust me, I won't be bothered at all and I will move on. But if there's a single player option (at least with AI bots), I'll give it a look. That's all I was saying.

I do wonder what the single-player mode will be like and if it's for real. It's now mentioned in the description but the game isn't tagged as single-player.

Originally posted by Lokma Selçuk:

We will be having a beta in 2 weeks if no problems occur. We will take some trailer footage at that point and also if you want to join beta you can join to our discord for more information. If you have any questions, we're glad to accept them. Have a nice day.

So what happened to the beta?

[Sir Seal The Slippery]

Originally posted by Unster:

If the game ends up being MMO-only, trust me, I won't be bothered at all and I will move on. But if there's a single player option (at least with AI bots), I'll give it a look. That's all I was saying.

See,mmorpgs,s are a genre.
Just like racing games,shooters of fighting games.
If you bash a mmorpg for being a mmorpg and asking for singleplayer,its pretty much the same as saying that a fighting game is bad because people are fighting.
Singleplayer+mmorpg just doesnt add up.
MMORPG= Massively MULTIPLAYER ONLINE Role Playing Game
If you ask for singleplayer,it would no longer be a mmorpg.

You can dislike the genre if you want,thats fine.
But posting that a game should change its whole genre because you dislike it,isnt feedback or anything,thats just you saying that you dislike the genre and it doesnt help anyone.
Good feedback would be,if you asked for more solo content that doesnt require a group for example.
Thats doable,various mmo,s go that route.
But again,a mmorpg defines itself by being multiplayer and online.
If you take those 2 things away,its no longer a mmorpg.

Despite what developers of games like conan exiles,ark or dayz want you to believe:
They are not mmo,s.
They are multiplayer survival games at best.
As soon as you allow user hosted servers,its no longer massive,which is what the first M of MMORPG stands for.

EDIT: I appologize if my first post sounded a bit harsh,but this is just a very sensitive topic for me since i went over this with other people A LOT,and im just upset that my favorite genre is slowly going downhill because of them.

[Unster]

Originally posted by Sir Seal The Slippery:

But again,a mmorpg defines itself by being multiplayer and online.
If you take those 2 things away,its no longer a mmorpg.

But I didn't ask for multiplayer to be removed. So your entire post is moot.

[Sir Seal The Slippery]

Originally posted by Unster:

Originally posted by Sir Seal The Slippery:

But again,a mmorpg defines itself by being multiplayer and online.
If you take those 2 things away,its no longer a mmorpg.

But I didn't ask for multiplayer to be removed. So your entire post is moot.

Not at all.
A mmorpg by definition,is simply not singleplayer AND multiplayer,you cant have both.
If you play singleplayer only,youre not playing a mmo.

[Unster]

Originally posted by Sir Seal The Slippery:

Originally posted by Unster:

But I didn't ask for multiplayer to be removed. So your entire post is moot.

Not at all.
A mmorpg by definition,is simply not singleplayer AND multiplayer,you cant have both.
If you play singleplayer only,youre not playing a mmo.

Are you sure about that? I've seen and played games that were MP-focused, but still had an offline option with bots, for example Chivalry. Anyway, it's up to the devs. Personally I feel the opposite to you. I feel many games are needlessly ruined/limited by being online-only. It's like these days many players are unable to enjoy a game solo, and they need fake online socializing to feel good. When I play a game, I usually don't want to deal with people and their play styles or their poor connection. Most of the time I'd rather play solo. If the devs don't think SP can be added to this game without changing it too much, that's fine. I'm not asking them to change the core design.

[Sir Seal The Slippery]

Originally posted by Unster:

Originally posted by Sir Seal The Slippery:

Not at all.
A mmorpg by definition,is simply not singleplayer AND multiplayer,you cant have both.
If you play singleplayer only,youre not playing a mmo.

Are you sure about that? I've seen and played games that were MP-focused, but still had an offline option with bots, for example Chivalry. Anyway, it's up to the devs. Personally I feel the opposite to you. I feel many games are needlessly ruined/limited by being online-only. It's like these days many players are unable to enjoy a game solo, and they need fake online socializing to feel good. When I play a game, I usually don't want to deal with people and their play styles or their poor connection. Most of the time I'd rather play solo. If the devs don't think SP can be added to this game without changing it too much, that's fine. I'm not asking them to change the core design.

Alright,please listen to me....those games youre talking about,especially chivalry....
They are NOT mmo,s.
I own chivalry myself,its not a mmo at all,just a multiplayer slasher.
Wow,gw2,eso,runes of magic,tera,black desert,those are mmo,s.
All of those,,host your own server or play offline''games arent mmo,s and have never been.

A proper mmo has only official servers,youre ALWAYS online,you can NEVER play privately without being connected to the community.
You have a huge ammount of people in the same world,progress is permanent and carries over.

[Unster]

Originally posted by Sir Seal The Slippery:

Alright,please listen to me....those games youre talking about,especially chivalry....
They are NOT mmo,s.
I own chivalry myself,its not a mmo at all,just a multiplayer slasher.
Wow,gw2,eso,runes of magic,tera,black desert,those are mmo,s.
All of those,,host your own server or play offline''games arent mmo,s and have never been.

A proper mmo has only official servers,youre ALWAYS online,you can NEVER play privately without being connected to the community.
You have a huge ammount of people in the same world,progress is permanent and carries over.

What about Atlas? I believe that one has official servers with permanency and a SP option as well, though the SP mode has received little love and I have quit playing. But it seems that it's doable.

[Sir Seal The Slippery]

Originally posted by Unster:

Originally posted by Sir Seal The Slippery:

Alright,please listen to me....those games youre talking about,especially chivalry....
They are NOT mmo,s.
I own chivalry myself,its not a mmo at all,just a multiplayer slasher.
Wow,gw2,eso,runes of magic,tera,black desert,those are mmo,s.
All of those,,host your own server or play offline''games arent mmo,s and have never been.

A proper mmo has only official servers,youre ALWAYS online,you can NEVER play privately without being connected to the community.
You have a huge ammount of people in the same world,progress is permanent and carries over.

What about Atlas? I believe that one has official servers with permanency and a SP option as well, though the SP mode has received little love and I have quit playing. But it seems that it's doable.

I didnt play atlas myself so cant say for sure if its a mmo or not.
According to what i was reading about it though,its not much of an mmo.

But yes,there are a few developers who provide a mmo,and an additional singleplayer version of it.
The singleplayer version would by no means count as a mmo though and id imagine that it would take some work to properly balance the content of the singleplayer version,and the mmo version.
I think wurm online had a version with user hosted servers,and a mmo version with only official ones,but they have been 2 different games,each with their own progress,accounts and store pages.

It has been done a few times.
But most mmo developers avoid doing this,since it would seperate the playerbase,take additional work for balancing and adjusting content....and some mmo,s just cant work as a singleplayer game.
For example,a mmo that is based heavily on social player interaction,trading and guild diplomatics/politics....it would be somewhat difficult to pull this off in a singleplayer game,assuming the devs even have a interest in that.
And then you would make it a fun singleplayer experience aswell,which means more ressources have to be spent on singleplayer content.
Ressources that could instead be spent on making more content for the mmo version.
So basically what you want,is for them to release an additional version of the game that doesnt share any progression with the mmo version.
You can ask for that yea,but we dont know enough about the game yet to see if it could(or should)even work singleplayer.

[Unster]

Those are valid points and I've thought of them too. Atlas is labeled as an MMO. You can see that on the store page and it seems that solo players are the minority. And I understand it may not work for every game. Only the devs would know if it would work and if it's something they want to do. I'm fine either way (I won't play it as an MMO and will happily move on) but if they can pull off both modes then it could be to their advantage as more players might buy their game.

[Sir Seal The Slippery]

Originally posted by Unster:

Atlas is labeled as an MMO. You can see that on the store page

That doesnt mean much anymore.
Even world of tanks has a MMO tag on the store page and lets be honest....its not.
Many developers add the MMO tag to their game to get more attention for their product,they slowly are trying to turn the meaning of MMO into,,games as a service''.
Also,dont forget that players can also add tags to the store page of a game.

If devs would add the multiplayer tag to a singleplayer game,that still wouldnt make it one.
And really,i can developers see pulling that in the next few years,just because a game allows you to share screenshots or having leaderboards for singleplayer missions...