throttle really stands the bike up

[[N.S]snappy|nuts]

hard throttle after apex really stands the bike up! have to wait until later in the turn to crack the throttle for sure

[Skyeyes79]

the biggest problem of this game and i'ts absolutely don't realistic

[JaviMarshall]

exacly and i love that... i dont understand why people are complaining. its a new feature and its really cool

[JaviMarshall]

Originally posted by Skyeyes79:

the biggest problem of this game and i'ts absolutely don't realistic

you are not right. The new feature is awesome and its so realistic

[zBRIGGHYz]

no this is ♥♥♥♥ guys. Like this, you have to lower the AI difficulty by a lot

[zBRIGGHYz]

I was on Ai level 120 last year. Now I use 80 Ai and i have to concentrate like an animal

[Voodoochile]

So they switched from "brakes make the bike not lean" to "throttle makes the bike not lean" or do we get both now? Want to know before I buy, cause 22 was total ♥♥♥♥♥.

[Evasive]

Originally posted by JaviMarshall:

exacly and i love that... i dont understand why people are complaining. its a new feature and its really cool

The idea is cool, but it's definitely not realistic.. If you said it's realistic then you've never been ride a bike before cause bike doesn't work like that in real life..
When you lean at 20% maybe the bike picked up it self but when you lean at more than 75% then full throttle not gonna make the bike straight.. It's either you go oversteer or you lose the rear and highside

[JaviMarshall]

Originally posted by Evasive:

Originally posted by JaviMarshall:

exacly and i love that... i dont understand why people are complaining. its a new feature and its really cool

The idea is cool, but it's definitely not realistic.. If you said it's realistic then you've never been ride a bike before cause bike doesn't work like that in real life..
When you lean at 20% maybe the bike picked up it self but when you lean at more than 75% then full throttle not gonna make the bike straight.. It's either you go oversteer or you lose the rear and highside

its realistic men..anyway, you have reason when you say the bike never lose the rear tire and highside, this is a sh*it.. and its not realistic (im with you in this) but not with your other opinion

[Voodoochile]

Originally posted by JaviMarshall:

Originally posted by Evasive:

The idea is cool, but it's definitely not realistic.. If you said it's realistic then you've never been ride a bike before cause bike doesn't work like that in real life..
When you lean at 20% maybe the bike picked up it self but when you lean at more than 75% then full throttle not gonna make the bike straight.. It's either you go oversteer or you lose the rear and highside

its realistic men..anyway, you have reason when you say the bike never lose the rear tire and highside, this is a sh*it.. and its not realistic (im with you in this) but not with your other opinion

You are right. The higher the speed the more the vehicle wants to go straight. Cars and bikes alike. Naturally, yea, the bike wants to stand up, however, IRL you naturally counter this both in cars and bikes without even noticing much, because you have so much information available in your senses.

The problem in games is, that if this effect is overdone players can't correct it naturally.

More accel -> more steering needed. This leaves the impression in the user that the thumbsticks on the controller are not linear and it makes muscle memory almost impossible to build. They made the same mistake with the brakes in 22 and that's why I am asking if they corrected this in 23 but it seems they added similar logic to the accel as well...sad.
In 22 the feeling is that the linearity/curve of your controller thumbstick depends and changes on the fly based on the amount of brake you are applying at the moment. This is not good when you have literally no way to feel the bike. To me, the physics in 22 felt almost randomized. So is the same in 23 as well?

[KnightOFGamer]

you have to make the eltronick up to 5 to not have this problem

[numan4634]

Originally posted by Voodoochile:

So they switched from "brakes make the bike not lean" to "throttle makes the bike not lean" or do we get both now? Want to know before I buy, cause 22 was total ♥♥♥♥♥.

Exactly :/ Fix one thing by breaking something else.

[Evasive]

Originally posted by JaviMarshall:

Originally posted by Evasive:

The idea is cool, but it's definitely not realistic.. If you said it's realistic then you've never been ride a bike before cause bike doesn't work like that in real life..
When you lean at 20% maybe the bike picked up it self but when you lean at more than 75% then full throttle not gonna make the bike straight.. It's either you go oversteer or you lose the rear and highside

its realistic men..anyway, you have reason when you say the bike never lose the rear tire and highside, this is a sh*it.. and its not realistic (im with you in this) but not with your other opinion

The donkey told the tiger: The grass is blue.

The tiger replied: No, the grass is green​.

The discussion became heated, and the two decided to submit the issue to arbitration, and to do so they approached the lion.

Before reaching the clearing in the forest where the lion was sitting on his throne, the donkey started screaming: ′′Your Highness, isn't it true that the grass is blue?"​

The lion replied: "True, the grass is blue"​.

The donkey rushed forward and continued: ′′The tiger disagrees with me and contradicts me and annoys me. Please punish him"​.

The king then declared: ′′The tiger will be punished with 5 years of silence"​.

The donkey jumped with joy and went on his way, content and repeating: ′′The grass is blue"​..

The tiger accepted his punishment, but he asked the lion: ′′Your Majesty, why have you punished me, after all, the grass is green?"​

The lion replied: ′′In fact, the grass is green"​.

The tiger asked: ′′So why do you punish me?"​

The lion replied:

That has nothing to do with the question of whether the grass is blue or green. The punishment is because it is not possible for a brave, intelligent creature like you to waste time arguing with a donkey, and on top of that to come and bother me with that question

The worst waste of time is arguing with the fool and fanatic who doesn't care about truth or reality, but only the victory of his beliefs and illusions. Never waste time on discussions that make no sense... There are people who for all the evidence presented to them, do not have the ability to understand, and others who are blinded by ego, hatred and resentment, and the only thing that they want is to be right even if they aren’t.
When ignorance screams, intelligence shuts up. Your peace and tranquility are worth more.

[KnightOFGamer]

Originally posted by Evasive:

Originally posted by JaviMarshall:

its realistic men..anyway, you have reason when you say the bike never lose the rear tire and highside, this is a sh*it.. and its not realistic (im with you in this) but not with your other opinion

The donkey told the tiger: The grass is blue.

The tiger replied: No, the grass is green​.

The discussion became heated, and the two decided to submit the issue to arbitration, and to do so they approached the lion.

Before reaching the clearing in the forest where the lion was sitting on his throne, the donkey started screaming: ′′Your Highness, isn't it true that the grass is blue?"​

The lion replied: "True, the grass is blue"​.

The donkey rushed forward and continued: ′′The tiger disagrees with me and contradicts me and annoys me. Please punish him"​.

The king then declared: ′′The tiger will be punished with 5 years of silence"​.

The donkey jumped with joy and went on his way, content and repeating: ′′The grass is blue"​..

The tiger accepted his punishment, but he asked the lion: ′′Your Majesty, why have you punished me, after all, the grass is green?"​

The lion replied: ′′In fact, the grass is green"​.

The tiger asked: ′′So why do you punish me?"​

The lion replied:

That has nothing to do with the question of whether the grass is blue or green. The punishment is because it is not possible for a brave, intelligent creature like you to waste time arguing with a donkey, and on top of that to come and bother me with that question

The worst waste of time is arguing with the fool and fanatic who doesn't care about truth or reality, but only the victory of his beliefs and illusions. Never waste time on discussions that make no sense... There are people who for all the evidence presented to them, do not have the ability to understand, and others who are blinded by ego, hatred and resentment, and the only thing that they want is to be right even if they aren’t.
When ignorance screams, intelligence shuts up. Your peace and tranquility are worth more.

OK shakespeare but where are you coming from?

[jestifizzle]

I don't understand some of the people complaining. I understand it is not a sim, but it is completely realistic with modern bike electronics for the bike to stand up on accel. Infact, in superbikes and motogp it is for safety reasons to prevent high-sides. Traction control = more traction on accel = bike stands up. No traction = rear loses traction on accel = rear sliding out while leaning. As for braking, anyone that rides a bike on tracks knows that you cannot lean with hard front brake applied because your weight transfer forward literally prevents it. This is literally what trail-braking is for with bikes. The more you brake, the more you understeer due to edge grip and lean angle. You can try leaning more, but it will end very bad for you everytime when your fronts lock up...

That being said, I do agree that the bike standing up on accel in this game is a little too strong. They should at least allow for us to reduce the traction control a lot more because currently you literally can't spin up the rear even with TC 1

[Voodoochile]

Originally posted by jestifizzle:

I don't understand some of the people complaining. I understand it is not a sim, but it is completely realistic with modern bike electronics for the bike to stand up on accel. Infact, in superbikes and motogp it is for safety reasons to prevent high-sides. Traction control = more traction on accel = bike stands up. No traction = rear loses traction on accel = rear sliding out while leaning. As for braking, anyone that rides a bike on tracks knows that you cannot lean with hard front brake applied because your weight transfer forward literally prevents it. This is literally what trail-braking is for with bikes. The more you brake, the more you understeer due to edge grip and lean angle. You can try leaning more, but it will end very bad for you everytime when your fronts lock up...

That being said, I do agree that the bike standing up on accel in this game is a little too strong. They should at least allow for us to reduce the traction control a lot more because currently you literally can't spin up the rear even with TC 1

I agree 100% with you that these effect exists IRL but both effects are very exaggerated in the game or at least due to the lack of sensory feedback from a simple controller we can't reliably mitigate them. They need to be toned down to a level, which allows muscle memory to kick in. I am a racing game veteran and within 50 hours of MotoGP22 on same track and same bike I couldn't get a feel of the brakes. This is abysmal. Now they add similar mechanic to the throttle. It's a brand new game and there are 200 people playing right now. It's getting worse with every release.