developer deleting discussion threads re: use of ai art

[Tegiminis]

see title. scummy behavior imo. if you're gonna use ai art on your project, at least be honest enough to let discussion threads pointing out its use remain.

[Okerlund]

If this game is using AI art, it isn't stated as such on the store page. Just report the game to Valve as the use of AI art is fine as long as it is mentioned on the store page. Posting about it on the forums won't do anything.

[The Seraph of Tomorrow]

Originally posted by Okerlund:

If this game is using AI art, it isn't stated as such on the store page. Just report the game to Valve as the use of AI art is fine as long as it is mentioned on the store page. Posting about it on the forums won't do anything.

Unless of course the user is lying, as a lot of people claim A.I. when it isn't true in order to discredit games.

[Okerlund]

Originally posted by The Seraph of Tomorrow:

Originally posted by Okerlund:

If this game is using AI art, it isn't stated as such on the store page. Just report the game to Valve as the use of AI art is fine as long as it is mentioned on the store page. Posting about it on the forums won't do anything.

Unless of course the user is lying, as a lot of people claim A.I. when it isn't true in order to discredit games.

Exactly. Is why it is much better to report to Valve and they can investigate it themselves.

If it isn't true, then I hope the dev continues to delete the threads and hopefully addresses it soon. I am not really interested in this game (just seen the demo so checked out here), but I always hate seeing people hating on stuff without any evidence. Just report if you believe it is AI Art and move on. Let Valve handle it.

[commando219]

They deleted my feedback post almost immediately. I barely acknowledged the AI art. I focused almost entirely on technical issues. These guys are sensitive clowns.

[76561188078797539]

Originally posted by Okerlund:

Exactly. Is why it is much better to report to Valve and they can investigate it themselves.

As if you can rely on Valve to bother in case of small developers.

The whole "AI assets controversy" is a corporate-fed circlejerk. They don't want too much competition, or want you to buy their "we totally used different sources for OUR training" proprietary systems.

The only reason people jumped on OpenAI was because they actually disclosed the sources of their training material. If you think any BigName™ is doing anything different, I have a few fantastic bridge-ownership opportunities to discuss with you.

[Okerlund]

Originally posted by 76561198079797439:

Originally posted by Okerlund:

Exactly. Is why it is much better to report to Valve and they can investigate it themselves.

As if you can rely on Valve to bother in case of small developers.

The whole "AI assets controversy" is a corporate-fed circlejerk. They don't want too much competition, or want you to buy their "we totally used different sources for OUR training" proprietary systems.

The only reason people jumped on OpenAI was because they actually disclosed the sources of their training material. If you think any BigName™ is doing anything different, I have a few fantastic bridge-ownership opportunities to discuss with you.

I honestly don't care. Report it, it will be up to Valve. Move on. Ignore the developer if it bothers you.

Which is what I am going to do now. I tried the demo and didn't really enjoy it, so I am going to move on. Best of luck on your adventure.

[Masterpeing]

Steam gonna take dowm this? Looks really rare

[IcyDec]

Originally posted by Okerlund:

Originally posted by The Seraph of Tomorrow:

Unless of course the user is lying, as a lot of people claim A.I. when it isn't true in order to discredit games.

Exactly. Is why it is much better to report to Valve and they can investigate it themselves.

If it isn't true, then I hope the dev continues to delete the threads and hopefully addresses it soon. I am not really interested in this game (just seen the demo so checked out here), but I always hate seeing people hating on stuff without any evidence. Just report if you believe it is AI Art and move on. Let Valve handle it.

My guy, launch the game. Every poster and asset with text has AI gobbledygook on it.

[Spanish Pingu]

What is the problem of using AI? Are you Amish or something?

[76561188078797539]

Originally posted by Spanish Pingu:

What is the problem of using AI?

OpenAI caught all the for-profit projects with their pants down when they released their version of it, even if it was only temporary free*

So all the big names that weren't ready to roll out for-profit closed-source proprietary versions yet immediately started looking for "poor widdwe awtists" to sponsor making a lot of "muh jerb secuREEtee!" noise.

This doubled after OpenAI revealed they used a third-party datamining company that scrapped, like everyone's doing anyway, some possibly copyrighted content.

Steam just went with typical "throw away baby along with the washwater" reaction, and banned games with AI assets from their store.

As if anyone could tell that easily.

All the while Adobe is rolling out AI assistants for Photoshop, Microsoft scraped all the code they could get their hands on from GitHub for Copilot and assorted VisualStudio "assistants," and Google's been laughing all the way to their billions-in-profit bank accounts pinching any digit of data that's not nailed down, to the applause of "privacy no longer exist" useful idiots. So good luck with fairness in that enforcement.

Highly simplified, but basically this - the "right" people weren't making money off currently available AI models, so can't have them around.

Not sure about the rest of the drama around this title, seems information is highly limited for whatever reason.

[Tegiminis]

"AI" art has no soul behind it except the amalgamated theft of real artists. There is no message, no purpose, no discernment. The reduction of human social relation to commodity, when that social relation ~is the reason for art~. It is vastly inferior to anything a person can come up with, and only appeals to people who also lack discernment. It looks like trash and makes your game/movie/show/comic/whatever look chintzy. There are a million reasons to hate it.

If you want to play some garbage that looks terrible because you have no taste, that's your prerogative. Me, I prefer stuff made by living things. When AI is smart/capable enough to be human-like, then I'll gladly celebrate AI art.

"Are you Amish?" Are you gullible? Seems so. What a sad way to go through life.

[Troy Muni]

I could care less about AI this or that. I'm just hear to play the games. Everything else is someone else's problem. What I am concerned about is the malware or whatever TF is in this game file. I'm not running it until the devs either acknowledge and address it or someone with some credibility explains it better.

[76561188078797539]

Originally posted by Tegiminis:

"AI" art has no soul behind it except the amalgamated theft of real artists.

How is that different from someone imitating the style of another person?

All our achievements are derivative, in one way or another. Doubly so for art, which relies on the artist's past experience and exposure to the art of others'.

Just because a machine does it, and better than most people could, doesn't change any of that.

Originally posted by Tegiminis:

There is no message, no purpose, no discernment. The reduction of human social relation to commodity, when that social relation ~is the reason for art~.

Get off your high horse, what "social relation" lies in assets made for a computer game?

The whole argument reeks of the type of snobism that lauds a single painted line on a blank canvas such a great artistic achievement, when it was just the artist's connections and high-profile backing that dictate the price tag.

Originally posted by Tegiminis:

It is vastly inferior to anything a person can come up with, and only appeals to people who also lack discernment. It looks like trash and makes your game/movie/show/comic/whatever look chintzy. There are a million reasons to hate it.

If that was the case there would be no issue with it.

Even now, in its infancy, AI generation is better than vast majority of people dabbling in arts, and a significant fraction of professional artists, can achieve. THAT is another reason for all the politics around the issues.

If it wasn't good enough for its purpose, people wouldn't be using it. And it's certainly much more achievable for an indie on a limited budget.

Originally posted by Tegiminis:

If you want to play some garbage that looks terrible because you have no taste, that's your prerogative. Me, I prefer stuff made by living things. When AI is smart/capable enough to be human-like, then I'll gladly celebrate AI art.

Stop projecting your bias as some undeniable truth.

If Steam stuck with simply labeling games with AI assets as such (and good luck figuring out if one's that or not), that's one thing. Their blanket delistment threat on something that's difficult to establish even by specialists well versed in the area is another.

As is, the main source of opposition toward AI assets is coming from people who see it for the gold mine it is, but aren't ready to dip into it yet themselves. And certainly don't want the unwashed masses to endanger their precious profits by easy and free* access to it.

Originally posted by Troy Muni:

What I am concerned about is the malware or whatever TF is in this game file. I'm not running it until the devs either acknowledge and address it or someone with some credibility explains it better.

Yeah, got curious and couldn't find anything other than some dood with no clue calling CTF Loader (an integrated Windows service for automatic translation) "bitcoin miner."

Lots of FUD around this title for some reason, and the developer's silence (and removal of discussions, apparently) is not helping, either.

[Jack Denkin]

Seems like the "Game DOES alter your PC settings!" thread is gone as well.

[76561188078797539]

Originally posted by Jack Denkin:

Seems like the "Game DOES alter your PC settings!" thread is gone as well.

Saw that one before it went poof. That was definitely a weird choice to address any performance issues there might be.

Wonder if it's the developer, or Steam mods, though (or both). Had a bunch of posts about Capcom's new ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ of adding Russian shadyware to older games deleted by Steam because "offtopic and pointless" when made in threads discussing exactly that, so at this point anything's possible.

Developer really needs to learn the value of open communication, though.