Almost bought this

[Randy Marsh]

That DLC is hilarious, hit the ignore button soon as i saw that

[Euphoniac]

I'm not a fan of these DLCs, but they're mere pay-to-shortcut DLCs. Everything in Exe Create games can be accomplished without relying on these DLCs even on the highest difficulty setting. It's up to you if you want to miss out on a game you're interested in just because of DLCs you aren't forced to buy.

[mdart]

Originally posted by Euphoniac:

I'm not a fan of these DLCs, but they're mere pay-to-shortcut DLCs. Everything in Exe Create games can be accomplished without relying on these DLCs even on the highest difficulty setting. It's up to you if you want to miss out on a game you're interested in just because of DLCs you aren't forced to buy.

thats one way to look at it. but another way is they lowered exp cp and damage to sell it as dlc.

[Euphoniac]

Your perspective would be perfectly understandable coming from a first-time player, though I assure you there isn't any foul play in place. Exe Create games lean towards the easy side to begin with (if you know what you're doing), so the balancing usually doesn't work to the player's disadvantage (although there are rare exceptions in older games like in "Revenant Dogma").

Thus, the pay-to-shortcut DLCs are only a question of when and how soon you want to be overpowered. I had played most Exe Create games in their "DLCs era" without using the DLCs, but recently I bought them for a smoother experience and to support the developers. It's really fine either way. Referencing that one U2 song:

With or without them
With or without them, ah, ah
You can live
With or without them

[mdart]

Originally posted by Euphoniac:

Your perspective would be perfectly understandable coming from a first-time player, though I assure you there isn't any foul play in place. Exe Create games lean towards the easy side to begin with (if you know what you're doing), so the balancing usually doesn't work to the player's disadvantage (although there are rare exceptions in older games like in "Revenant Dogma").

Thus, the pay-to-shortcut DLCs are only a question of when and how soon you want to be overpowered. I had played most Exe Create games in their "DLCs era" without using the DLCs, but recently I bought them for a smoother experience and to support the developers. It's really fine either way. Referencing that one U2 song:

With or without them
With or without them, ah, ah
You can live
With or without them

it does not matter its like the game is selling you new level on day 1 it tell the people they lowered or removed stuff to make extra cash to get the full game or in this case the true vaules. and its the same thing for a few other games from them. at this point they could have a battle pass and micro transaction.

[Euphoniac]

Yeah, it's completely up to you to see it this way and act accordingly. At the beginning of the "DLCs era", I was also p*ssed and didn't buy the DLCs, but I like Exe Create games way too much, so I would never pass them up over something like this.

Since you're generally interested in this type of game: If you've never played a game developed by Exe Create before, maybe you could try out the two games from their "8-bit series" that don't feature DLCs, "Dragon Sinker" and "Alvastia Chronicles". Then you would at least know if the "Exe Create formula" is to your liking.

[Euphoniac]

Here are some notes about the DLCs for anyone who's interested.

Obviously, the "damage x 2" DLC is by far the best one. If you only want to buy one DLC, it should be this one.

The EXP and CP (Class Points) DLCs don't stack with each other, but they stack with other in-game EXP and CP bonuses. This means you don't need to buy all three DLCs "EXP x 3", "CP x 3" and "EXP & CP x 2", it suffices to buy both "x 3" ones or only the "x 2" one.

As for the in-game bonuses, you can buy the respective items with in-game premium currency in the in-game premium shop (no real money involved), and you can earn in-game premium currency by completing various tasks in the game. A total of 3 EXP and CP Orbs each can be obtained this way, granting 300% bonus (400% overall) EXP/CP.

There's also an "Aid Room" in which you can use in-game premium currency to boost the EXP gained when fighting at Demon Statues (these are monster terminals where you can repeatedly fight three battles consecutively against monsters of the local area) up to 500% additional bonus EXP. By spending 10 PRP ("Prana Points", the aforementioned in-game premium currency), you can even summon Metal monsters at these Demon Statues, which yield the most EXP by far.

Thus: Even without the DLCs, you can reach a total of 800% bonus (900% overall) EXP (when fighting at Demon Statues), and you can use the DLCs to boost these values to 1000%/1100% bonus (1100%/1200% overall) EXP. Additionally, you can also apply an "EXP up" effect to your equipment, but you'll probably reach maximum level (999) long before you would have reached the maximum "EXP up" value (100%).

My point still stands: The DLCs are pay-to-shortcut only, and I think it would be a pity if you skipped a game that you would probably enjoy just because of their existence.

[Recks]

Originally posted by MDart:

Originally posted by Euphoniac:

I'm not a fan of these DLCs, but they're mere pay-to-shortcut DLCs. Everything in Exe Create games can be accomplished without relying on these DLCs even on the highest difficulty setting. It's up to you if you want to miss out on a game you're interested in just because of DLCs you aren't forced to buy.

thats one way to look at it. but another way is they lowered exp cp and damage to sell it as dlc.

Cheat engine , problem solved

[Euphoniac]

And which cheat software is supposed to work with regards to Exe Create's custom engine? If there really is one, I'm not aware of it.

[0JMachine]

Originally posted by Euphoniac:

And which cheat software is supposed to work with regards to Exe Create's custom engine? If there really is one, I'm not aware of it.

cheat engine works with all games. these games are stupid easy though. play on hard and get an xp boost and better drop rate immediately for it. 1 hour in you have the full party. grind for 10 levels and you never need to grind again as it becomes balanced again.

[Euphoniac]

Thanks, I've never tried it before, even though I'm not averse to cheating, min-maxing, save-scumming, save-reloading and legal sex with minors.

[TheGame]

Would be nice if they at least bundled it with game if they where going to do it, they do this with every game, their games are really good from the ones I haved haven't got anything in awhile. Too busy with VN's on steam and wow lol

[Euphoniac]

This game features an interesting take on the silent protagonist trope, but I wouldn't play it for the story alone. If you can do without fighting, grinding, getting stronger (at the moment), it's no surprise that you're busy playing visual novels.

I think everything has been said about the DLCs. Anyone who dislikes them won't be convinced of the contrary. Considering my special gaming interests, though, I can't be appalled by a few pimples on a game's "face".

[TheGame]

I play lots of game other then VN's, i do like the grind. That is why i like these games. I'm not the OP of this thread.

[H.Honor]

Yep same
NEXT

[TheGame]

Nobody even reviews their games anymore or even bothers to give postive or negative. Seems they can't be selling that many anymore...Sad if they would be more reasonable on DLC prices might help or just stop altogether and put it in the game already lol