关于该作品推理性的讨论

[wood]

请期待好久了，一发售就买来玩了，第一章的推理和悬疑能说是六章里最强烈的（不过警察调查居然没查到柜子上有个洞吗，不过无伤大雅），让我一下子拉满期待了，但是。。
从第二章到第五章（甚至第六章），这种感觉越来越淡了，其中的原因之一就是各个独立章节的推理过于简单。而这种简单让我很容易就把视角放在了作者铺设的伏笔上，但是，依旧有几个疑点没有推理清楚，在此列出，希望后面玩到的人能够解答：
（申明：缺少或弱推理性表明是悬疑类作品，在此基础上本作展现的气氛我也很喜欢）
1.5人帮身份在终局前推理的可能性
2.女主四位一体在终局前推理的可能性
3.我暂时还没想好。
以上

[what is skaven]

1. Most of the references are pretty vague, but you can reasonably figure out at least some of them. For example, in episode 1, when investigating social media, Eiko's former online handle indicates that she is one of the members. . In episode 2, you can read in social media that the streamer used to "make pranking videos". Which also indicates the membership, even if it's vague
2. This is the worst thing about the game, in my opinion. That twist came out of nowhere, and, at least for me, doesn't make any sense. How would even the logistics of having 4 identities work?! And what were the Azami and director personalities for, anyway? It's not like there was anyone competent enough to stop the "heroine". This whole plan with UMDC feels too contrived for me. There are some indicators, like the "director" talking to the "heroine" in her mind as if she's conversing with the "director" in person, or the special powers the "heroine" and the "director" have, even though the whole game is based on dissolution of myths, so their powers must have a realistic explanation behind them. Or the fact that the "director" doesn't have an Adam's apple, while most male characters do, although it's difficult to notice with this art style . But these are so vague and so hidden, that you would think it's more of an anime game quirks.

Moreover, there were multiple false flags to throw us in the wrong direction that went absolutely nowhere or were very misleading. For example. in episode 2 ending, they made us believe that an actual ghost came to the killer's father. Or in episode 4, they showed us the guy "dying" from the curse at the end, coughing up blood, but in episode 6 he's alive and well, being one of the hostages?

It seems to me that this twist is made unsolvable, purely for shock value.

[wood]

i could not agree you more。
In my discussions with other players, we have discussed the inference made about the members of Five Soiciety in Chapters 1,2,5, and that these three are deductible. But the other two have no leads at all. Next is the explanation of the quaternity, I will discuss the content of the software translation, hope not to cause too much misunderstanding.

the transtation content：

（Xiaoji--the female leading role Ruyue bu--the doctor/s sister and the real murder
Jasmine--the female policeman ）

Since there are many foreshadows, but all of them are somewhat unclear, only the found parts are listed one by one
(Hindsight evidence:
1. After the truth is revealed, it can be seen that the appearance and spirit of Xiaoji and Ruyue bu can be changed at will, and ordinary people can not see it, and will think that they are different people -- can explain why Jasmine has worked so long but did not recognize the director is Xiaoji
2. After the truth is revealed, it is known that Xiaoji strengthens the connection with Ruyue bu through his brother's eyes, so as to see the trace of truth that step as early as the reasoning - you can reverse the lab search when you meet the notebook will recall such as moon step.)
But it's all patched up...
1. The fifth chapter Doppelganger, in the time period when the director has not answered the phone, Xiaoji dreams of recognizing the director's voice calling himself, and turning back is his own face [Xiaoji - Director]
2. Chapter 5 Jasmine meets the administrator and realizes the existence of Card 0 through the information she finds in the Pavilion. 【 Administrator - Ruyue brother 】
3. In Chapter 6, 77.7 billion events, Tenkaku points out that the murderer is a genius hacker. And the previous chapter has been talking about the genius of the administrator network technology [administrator - Ruyue brother]
4. In the sixth chapter of the research room search, Xiaoji touched the diary twice and had a different reaction than before, recalling Ruyue brother's past events and showing the same love for his brother as his younger brother [Ruyue brother - Xiaoji].
5. In the sixth chapter of the research office search, in addition to the police, there are people who want to hide the things of the two brothers such as the month, including the information of the two people, and because of the identity of the two orphans, the rich police officers are one step late to find the female information of the month step in the orphanage [Ruyue bu - administrator]
6. The first chapter is really not foreshadowing ah, I also specially went to have a look, at most can only say that the director's eye of heaven [probably a hacker peeping it, belongs to the patch], Xiaoji's reading and too coincidence of the phone timing have some clues [Xiaoji - Director]
Anyway，so many questions, but as a composition of suspense atmosphere I rather like

[yeren]

5人帮在前期伏笔还是挺多的吧，荣子的5s主播，黑泽奖杯的名字，其他人也都提过主播，虽然当时没有联想到，但是最后提到犯人是5s时，一下就把全部的5人串起来了

[wood]

引个流：
https://www.bilibili.com/opus/1033802532322803779?spm_id_from=333.1387.0.0

[mie001]

1.第3章可以看到蘑菇的名字，第5章看到奖杯基本就知道了
2.个人觉得这个是有明显漏洞的。茉莉一开始就是怀疑中心的卧底特工，那么她在女主加入之前的时间里都没有对中心进行实际调查吗？电话相关的漏洞倒是可以提出假说，就像视频也没有暴露女主的声音一样，可能之前主任给茉莉打电话的时候是用的假声或者变声软件吧。在女主加入中心之后，电话就是自己打给自己的，女主也只是在转述（虽然一般情况下用力听应该是可以注意到对话方没有实际说话的吧），这样就可以避免主任实际不存在而暴露。实在不行也可以预先录音吧，毕竟这之后的事件都是预先计划好的

[Mars]

我个人还是没太想明白打电话是怎么做到的，是怎么自己给自己打电话，同时还能互相交谈。要是只是小蓟自言自语别人听不到主任的回答的话还勉强说得过去，但是我记得好几次主任说电话开免提，所以到底是怎么在其他人面前自问自答的？

[wood]

Originally posted by Mars:

我个人还是没太想明白打电话是怎么做到的，是怎么自己给自己打电话，同时还能互相交谈。要是只是小蓟自言自语别人听不到主任的回答的话还勉强说得过去，但是我记得好几次主任说电话开免提，所以到底是怎么在其他人面前自问自答的？

确实，你这么一说好像没有哪里能解释，毕竟主任的声音是从手机里传出的。唯一能解释的是电话是提前录好的，触发的条件就是小蓟意识到线索差不多全时就会打过来。

[lagbrother]

Originally posted by Mars:

我个人还是没太想明白打电话是怎么做到的，是怎么自己给自己打电话，同时还能互相交谈。要是只是小蓟自言自语别人听不到主任的回答的话还勉强说得过去，但是我记得好几次主任说电话开免提，所以到底是怎么在其他人面前自问自答的？

免提也可以是淺見說給在場的所有人聽吧

[wood]

Originally posted by lagbrother:

Originally posted by Mars:

我个人还是没太想明白打电话是怎么做到的，是怎么自己给自己打电话，同时还能互相交谈。要是只是小蓟自言自语别人听不到主任的回答的话还勉强说得过去，但是我记得好几次主任说电话开免提，所以到底是怎么在其他人面前自问自答的？

免提也可以是淺見說給在場的所有人聽吧

免提是接到电话之后的事，问题在于这个电话是怎么打过来的，小蓟和主任一体的前提下，这个电话那头就必须由非小蓟（主任）的人去接听（与拨打，这可以说是两码事了），那么这个第三者的解释就有很多了。