Fun Game, But...

[Eguzky]

I find the game is marred by the straight-up lifting of ideas/content from other games & media.

* I've seen Ornstine & Smough from Dark Souls.
* The Pine Resins from Dark Souls.
* Repair Powder from Dark Souls.
* The Owl Library boss is from Avatar: The Last Airbender. It even tried to bury the main characters, just like the one in this game says it will do.
* The Iron Maiden with the returning bullets from Enter The Gungeon.
* Death is literally Death from Diablo 3, complete with sickles.

Like, they're not shout outs; They are just the characters/ideas ripped wholesale from other media.

[CrimsonKing]

its actually "easter eggs" but gamers of todays dont even know what that means.

[Eguzky]

Originally posted by CrimsonKing:

its actually "easter eggs" but gamers of todays dont even know what that means.

Listing something wholesale is not an 'easter egg', it's called 'plagiarism'.

"An Easter egg is a message, image, or feature hidden in software, a video game, a film, or another — usually electronic — medium".
Nothing I listed is hidden in any way.

[Lobo soliDário]

And?

[That Fish Guy]

If it were all lifted from the same place, if they were straight asset lifting, if the developer made claim that it was an original idea/Creation, or if there wasn't anything original about what this game is doing, I'd have much more of a problem with it.

As it is there is enough unique about this game that I'm perfectly happy to overlook integrating other works into their game, hopefully it is done with respect to the original developer, and if there's complaint from that developer then they'll change things, as it is I'm not sure it's our responsibility as consumers to request only original content and ideas from the games industry.

There are also rocks hiding secret packages, should Edmund McMillan be upset about that or Nintendo/legends of Zelda designers (though the Idea probably goes back before even then)

[Sand]

Originally posted by Eguzky:

Originally posted by CrimsonKing:

its actually "easter eggs" but gamers of todays dont even know what that means.

Listing something wholesale is not an 'easter egg', it's called 'plagiarism'.

"An Easter egg is a message, image, or feature hidden in software, a video game, a film, or another — usually electronic — medium".
Nothing I listed is hidden in any way.

This you terry? For the unaware, today or yesterday a developer got called out for asset lifting and the guy had done it before. TIny rogue had been one of the games the guy had listed assets from. Dude got named and shamed. Now this topic pops up I guess to try smear some mud on others names?

[Eguzky]

Originally posted by Sand:

Originally posted by Eguzky:

Listing something wholesale is not an 'easter egg', it's called 'plagiarism'.

"An Easter egg is a message, image, or feature hidden in software, a video game, a film, or another — usually electronic — medium".
Nothing I listed is hidden in any way.

This you terry? For the unaware, today or yesterday a developer got called out for asset lifting and the guy had done it before. TIny rogue had been one of the games the guy had listed assets from. Dude got named and shamed. Now this topic pops up I guess to try smear some mud on others names?

You can see my account is 19 years old, with nearly 900 games. So I'm not whoever Terry is.

I'm not trying to smear mud on anyone, but there's a difference between 'homage' and 'plagiarism', and taking characters wholesale from other games is the latter.
It would just be nice if the dev used their own ideas for bosses and items.

You'll also note I did not list 'Souls' as 'taken from Dark Souls', as 'Souls' is pretty generic, and you don't level anywhere near the same as a Fromsoft game.

Originally posted by That Fish Guy:

If it were all lifted from the same place, if they were straight asset lifting, if the developer made claim that it was an original idea/Creation, or if there wasn't anything original about what this game is doing, I'd have much more of a problem with it.

As it is there is enough unique about this game that I'm perfectly happy to overlook integrating other works into their game, hopefully it is done with respect to the original developer, and if there's complaint from that developer then they'll change things, as it is I'm not sure it's our responsibility as consumers to request only original content and ideas from the games industry.

There are also rocks hiding secret packages, should Edmund McMillan be upset about that or Nintendo/legends of Zelda designers (though the Idea probably goes back before even then)

There's a difference between 'Game has secret passages' and 'Game has taken the characters of Ornstein & Smough/Death from Diablo 3/The Owl from Avatar'.
See, one is 'generic mechanic that in no way is owned by anyone' and one is 'The IP of another company'.

[That Fish Guy]

Originally posted by Sand:

Originally posted by Eguzky:

Listing something wholesale is not an 'easter egg', it's called 'plagiarism'.

"An Easter egg is a message, image, or feature hidden in software, a video game, a film, or another — usually electronic — medium".
Nothing I listed is hidden in any way.

This you terry? For the unaware, today or yesterday a developer got called out for asset lifting and the guy had done it before. TIny rogue had been one of the games the guy had listed assets from. Dude got named and shamed. Now this topic pops up I guess to try smear some mud on others names?

Good context! Thanks for potential background, nothing like mud slinging on the open forums.

[Tritoch]

They are clearly shoutouts/homages to these other games.

[Plaguelight]

The resins aren't unique to Dark Souls, they're a D&D thing since long, LONG before that. Same with repair powder existing before it.

But really, what's wrong with a game using callbacks to other series and media? If it gets people interested, great. They're not ripping an entire game or show and putting it into their own product. And it's not wholly plagiarism, either. Or else things like Jeopardy and Wheel of Fortune wouldn't be allowed to have puzzles/questions based on other shows and such.

[Asdryu]

They're called "references"...

Duke Nukem 3D was oozing with them

[A bear]

Really hope this guy never reads "Ready Player One" that entire book is just references.

[Greenhell]

The alignment system, monsters and a whole bunch of items are direcly lifted from D&D. I think it's cool, the dev is clearly paying homage and making a fun remix of all the things they love.

[That Fish Guy]

Originally posted by A bear:

Really hope this guy never reads "Ready Player One" that entire book is just references.

That and (in my opinion) it's terrible.

I made it ten pages into section 2 and had to write it off as too bad to finish.

Further than I made it into the movie though, maybe because I knew the movie wouldn't be getting better.

[HeraldOfOpera]

Originally posted by A bear:

Really hope this guy never reads "Ready Player One" that entire book is just references.

Honestly, that book was baffling for reasons unrelated to being full of references. The sequel is apparently worse.

[Franz]

The game opens on a bonfire asking for souls, the dev isn't trying to hide the references. Plagiarism is surreptitious, RubyDev makes no effort to deceive us into thinking they came up with the stuff you listed (and much, MUCH more) on their own, that's why we call it "homage". A plagiarist takes the content without respect and tries to deceive its audience by twisting the appearance, think stealing someone else's homework and changing some words a bit, here it's the opposite, the inspiration is immediately recognizable but the mechanics are always Tiny Rogue's. Repair powder gives you back your little shield icons, not item durability. O&S fight by shooting bullet hell nonsense... It's ok if it's too on the nose for you, your tastes are yours and it's perfectly fine to dislike something like too many references to other IPs, but try to look a bit deeper before throwing wrong accusations around.