The Tavern + Black Market infinite loop is unhealthy for the game

[Loot Goblin]

As much as I love exploiting it, I think something needs to be done about the tavern+black market loop where you get a black market in a tavern, buy all the gold items, resell them in the black market, activate and stack bulk seller, and then rest the night, rinse + repeat. If you have 100 gold and a 4-5 keys you can usually repeat this almost infinitely, as keys and golden dice will occasionally come up in the market. I have no problem farming over 1000 gold off doing this, while getting lots of stat buffs, charms, weapons, and equipment for my run. This basically means that the optimal strategy is to reset over and over again, spending 30-60 minutes literally just buying and selling goods instead of playing the game. I'm not sure what the best solution to this would be, but it probably needs to be interrupted somehow.

[Jamjars]

Just stop doing it. You control the buttons you press.

[DirectOrder]

Originally posted by Jamjars:

Just stop doing it. You control the buttons you press.

A better solution is removing exploits from the game.

[Loot Goblin]

Originally posted by Jamjars:

Just stop doing it. You control the buttons you press.

You can literally say this to any complaint of a game being too easy or exploitable in some way. Weapons poorly balanced? Just don't use the OP ones. Pokemon too strong? Just ban them from your runs. Final Boss too easy? Unbind your dash key. It's the dev's job to patch in and out things based on how they impact game health. It's our job to use all the tools we are given to maximize our runs. I'm even hesitant to call this an exploit because I don't believe it's using any game mechanics in an unintended way, although I am curious if bulk seller is supposed to keep its stacks overnight as it currently does.

[Jamjars]

Your lack of self control is not my, or the devs, problem.

If you like doing this strat, it's fun and should be kept. If you don't like doing it, do a more fun strat. Easy.

[DanTheMan]

Originally posted by Loot Goblin:

Originally posted by Jamjars:

Just stop doing it. You control the buttons you press.

Final Boss too easy? Unbind your dash key.

This one ain't even that hard ngl. As for the actual issue, I agree, but don't have any good ideas on how to do it.

[Jamjars]

Originally posted by Dantheman:

Originally posted by Loot Goblin:

Final Boss too easy? Unbind your dash key.

This one ain't even that hard ngl. As for the actual issue, I agree, but don't have any good ideas on how to do it.

Have staying at the inn reset the sell chain bonus?

Otherwise it’s a very minor issue, or arguably not one at all. It’s a lot of bonfire points for a combo that only goes off rarely. OP threw away a bunch of perfectly good runs chasing a cheese strat.

[wolfqack]

I feel like if you wanna waste your time doing this to make the rest of the game pointlessly easy that's your own fault.

[Shining_Darkness]

Originally posted by Denigrate:

Originally posted by Jamjars:

Just stop doing it. You control the buttons you press.

A better solution is removing exploits from the game.

"I exploited the game and found it boring therefore I don't want anyone else to be able to have this option."

In other words: "♥♥♥♥ you, got mine."

[Jamjars]

Originally posted by Loot Goblin:

almost infinitely,

"almost infinitely" is not "infinitely".

Besides, you already probably won after one or two extra rounds of black market anyway.

[DirectOrder]

Originally posted by Shining_Darkness:

Originally posted by Denigrate:

A better solution is removing exploits from the game.

"I exploited the game and found it boring therefore I don't want anyone else to be able to have this option."

In other words: "♥♥♥♥ you, got mine."

Huh?

[Lucky_Star_Fan]

Originally posted by Denigrate:

Originally posted by Jamjars:

Just stop doing it. You control the buttons you press.

A better solution is removing exploits from the game.

This is a single player game, exploits are harmless as you only engage with yourself. If you dislike it, stop doing it.

[BuildChef]

A good idea would be to apply a black market modifier or hidden attribute to things purchased in the black market, then make it so you can only sell items from outside the black market, at the black market, then black market items have to be dropped to be disposed of, giving the player tough choices to invest in black market. It would be a major nerf, but black market is already OP with gold dice

[Jamjars]

Could also just make it so keys or gold dice don't appear in rerolled black markets. But again, there isn't really an issue here.

[Loot Goblin]

Originally posted by Jamjars:

Originally posted by Dantheman:

This one ain't even that hard ngl. As for the actual issue, I agree, but don't have any good ideas on how to do it.

Have staying at the inn reset the sell chain bonus?

Otherwise it’s a very minor issue, or arguably not one at all. It’s a lot of bonfire points for a combo that only goes off rarely. OP threw away a bunch of perfectly good runs chasing a cheese strat.

I agree that this would be the best solution. Also, I have never used this strat and walked away with without at least +500 gold and like 3 levels, as well as multiple strong charms. Given that it seems like black markets spawn in taverns like 10-20% of the time, That's a lot of runs that just get hard carried by doing this.

[Jamjars]

nah, it's fine that the economic talents can lead to an economic victory. that's what they're for.