PLEASE Make it easier to finish sets.

[Kaiundso]

Just went through a run with 3 good Sets ready to be used. Never saw a fitting piece. 0 Fun. Thx bye

[Freazylex]

Calm down lol

[Dlanor]

Finishing sets is extremely common, especially if you actually try to finish them in game instead of just complain in the forum that you did 1 run and the game didn't hand you 3 full sets.

There's an entire stat called Magic Find that boosts the already high chance you find more set pieces once you have some, and one of the mastery levels gives you some permanent Magic Find when you open up any chests.

Dice will boost the chances you finish sets too, either using red dice to get more rooms that give equipment (especially set chests) or using gold dice to reroll in rooms that have high odds of finishing your sets (meaning set boss rewards or item type rewards that match set pieces you still need).

[JooberDoober]

Originally posted by Bliss:

Finishing sets is extremely common, especially if you actually try to finish them in game instead of just complain in the forum that you did 1 run and the game didn't hand you 3 full sets.

I have no argument for or against this post. I just wanted to point out that you're being incredibly condescending about their potential comprehension for someone who plainly misunderstood their point. They clearly didn't expect three full sets, but instead thought they would be able to finish at least one set of the three that were possible.

Also, "extremely common" is an exaggeration if it requires you to utilize other layers of mechanics to ensure it happens. I'm not trying to state that it's rare or impossible. Nothing like that at all. I just dislike when people clearly have great game knowledge, but deliver it in a way that's rude, or pedantic.

This person is clearly venting and could use the advice, but you've likely ensured they won't actually want to follow your advice by being patronizing.


You could've worded it like this instead:

"Ah yeah, I know that feeling. Super sucks, but luckily it gets much easier to complete sets once you upgrade your mastery tree a bit more. There's an upgrade that boosts your Magic Find stat, which is what helps improve your loot drops mid-run.

You should also keep an eye out for the Dice consumables! They let you reroll item rewards, as well as the rooms you can choose from before moving on. It's still not guaranteed, but you'll definitely find it to be much easier to do if you keep progressing."

This way, you would've helped them, and you would have been friendly while doing it. When you help people like this, it helps them learn to phrase their complaints in a critical inquisitive manner, as they realize they can first look for answers from people who might know the mechanics better. A little bit goes a long way with communities.

[Dlanor]

Originally posted by JooberDoober:

This way, you would've helped them, and you would have been friendly while doing it. When you help people like this, it helps them learn to phrase their complaints in a critical inquisitive manner, as they realize they can first look for answers from people who might know the mechanics better. A little bit goes a long way with communities.

You obviously mean well, but I have a feeling the kind of person to state a game is 0 fun because they got unlucky in a single run needs direct explanations and reasoning instead of to be told they're on the right track. Your example post, while nice, reads as patronizing. I wouldn't say I know the feeling because I don't, and I wouldn't say it sucks because frankly if the dev made the system do what the OP seems to want then it would make the game worse.

There are people that complain about how they don't like how commonly the game keeps giving them set pieces to match the ones they're using, even if they don't want the rest of the set. I'd say that's the more realistic complaint, because it is true that the game will throw set pieces matching your current pieces at you very frequently, sometimes the same piece multiple times. It's extremely likely for you to finish a set during a run even if you're barely trying, and it's realistic to see 3 or even 4 full sets during a run sometimes if you are trying. So I wouldn't call "extremely common" an exaggeration at all.

OP got unlucky in 1 run, the best equivalent would be someone complaining that coin flipping is unfair because they flipped one and got tails three times in a row. Not all suggestions needs a pat on the back, if someone says "the game is too long, how about the dev deletes all content past floor 5" I'm going to tell them how awful that suggestion is for the game. I'm pretty sure that if OP kept playing the game, they wouldn't be saying they can never finish sets. That seems like a suggestion born from a single emotional reaction rather than thinking something through. Being nice is great, but a community that pats people on the back for saying 2+2=3 eventually ends up with too many of those people and nobody willing to step forward and risk "being mean" to correct them.

[pi73r]

Originally posted by JooberDoober:

Originally posted by Bliss:

Finishing sets is extremely common, especially if you actually try to finish them in game instead of just complain in the forum that you did 1 run and the game didn't hand you 3 full sets.

I have no argument for or against this post. I just wanted to point out that you're being incredibly condescending about their potential comprehension for someone who plainly misunderstood their point. They clearly didn't expect three full sets, but instead thought they would be able to finish at least one set of the three that were possible.

Also, "extremely common" is an exaggeration if it requires you to utilize other layers of mechanics to ensure it happens. I'm not trying to state that it's rare or impossible. Nothing like that at all. I just dislike when people clearly have great game knowledge, but deliver it in a way that's rude, or pedantic.

This person is clearly venting and could use the advice, but you've likely ensured they won't actually want to follow your advice by being patronizing.


You could've worded it like this instead:

"Ah yeah, I know that feeling. Super sucks, but luckily it gets much easier to complete sets once you upgrade your mastery tree a bit more. There's an upgrade that boosts your Magic Find stat, which is what helps improve your loot drops mid-run.

You should also keep an eye out for the Dice consumables! They let you reroll item rewards, as well as the rooms you can choose from before moving on. It's still not guaranteed, but you'll definitely find it to be much easier to do if you keep progressing."

This way, you would've helped them, and you would have been friendly while doing it. When you help people like this, it helps them learn to phrase their complaints in a critical inquisitive manner, as they realize they can first look for answers from people who might know the mechanics better. A little bit goes a long way with communities.

Or we could not treat each other like we are 5 year old and simply say that finishing sets is easy when it's easy. The game tries to give you the sets you give. Last run when I actually tried to complete sets I've got 3 full ones without dny problem or actually trying too hard outside of picking a set room once.
In genersl the game gives you too much synergy tbh. I literally always end up with OP build.

[Doombringer]

Meanwhile I have a run where it gives me a matching set piece I can't use 5 times.
(I kept dropping it and it kept showing up again...)
(My only aura was from body armor and I kept getting body armor for the improves aura set.)

[JooberDoober]

Originally posted by Bliss:

You obviously mean well, but I have a feeling the kind of person to state a game is 0 fun because they got unlucky in a single run needs direct explanations and reasoning instead of to be told they're on the right track. Your example post, while nice, reads as patronizing.

My example post isn't patronizing, nor does it tell them they're on the right track. It acknowledges the issue they had, agrees with them that it would feel bad to have three set items and not be able to complete any of them if you're really trying to, especially if you don't know what you don't know to make it better, and then offers your solutions to make that less of an issue.

It makes no claim that sets are hard to complete. It makes no snide remarks, nor does it make any assumptions about what they're implying because they made a vent/rage thread because they got screwed by RNG.

Originally posted by Bliss:

I wouldn't say I know the feeling because I don't, and I wouldn't say it sucks because frankly if the dev made the system do what the OP seems to want then it would make the game worse.

Being nice is great, but a community that pats people on the back for saying 2+2=3 eventually ends up with too many of those people and nobody willing to step forward and risk "being mean" to correct them.

You're making assumptions here, though, and you've created a hypothetical situation to justify your argument. Most people don't have responses as well-written as yours, and that's really what contributes to creating those hostile communities you're referencing. It's the short, bait messages that downplay whatever people are complaining about that fuel that fire.

It's not that I don't think the OP is being irrational and immature, but talking down to OP, or others that make similar posts, is a surefire way to generate negative reviews for the game when you could have diffused the situation instead.

Again, I'm only going on and on about this because I made an assumption of my own based on how detailed your responses were that it was worth offering a better long-term solution for dealing with rage threads, as I figured you'd be active in the forums for the game. We can just agree to disagree if we're not seeing eye-to-eye. No harm no foul.

[JooberDoober]

Originally posted by pi73r:

Or we could not treat each other like we are 5 year old and simply say that finishing sets is easy when it's easy. The game tries to give you the sets you give. Last run when I actually tried to complete sets I've got 3 full ones without dny problem or actually trying too hard outside of picking a set room once.
In genersl the game gives you too much synergy tbh. I literally always end up with OP build.

We just clearly have different methods for interacting with other people if being empathetic equates to treating people like they're 5 years old for you. It's ironic, because the implication is that they're being immature about a small problem, which should warrant a response that is tailored to help someone like that if you're going to go so far as to offer genuine advice like Bliss did. Otherwise, it'll end up being a waste of time.

Also, I literally said in my example response that it's easy to finish sets, but without phrasing it in a way that would make the OP more likely to cause problems. When people realize they aren't screaming into a void, they tend to think more about how they conduct themselves.

Funny enough, by talking to someone the way I offer, you are assuming someone is mature enough to change how they post in the future because they'll understand that people will read their complaints/questions and offer advice, i.e. the opposite of "talking to people like they're 5."

To be honest, we're clearly two very different people in how we regard others, so I really don't think we're going to have a productive conversation if we were to carry on. I'll just agree to disagree, as I'm really not trying to start any weird internet fights. I was just making a remark to Bliss, as they seemed like someone that would understand where I was coming from.

[Dlanor]

Originally posted by JooberDoober:

My example post isn't patronizing, nor does it tell them they're on the right track.

I dunno, I read "Ah yeah, I know that feeling. Super sucks" as directly telling them they are on the right track by confirming you agree with their feeling and confirming it sucks for other people too. I don't agree with the feeling or think that it sucks.

Originally posted by JooberDoober:

It's not that I don't think the OP is being irrational and immature, but talking down to OP, or others that make similar posts, is a surefire way to generate negative reviews for the game when you could have diffused the situation instead.

Well first of all I don't care about the reviews that much because it's not like I'm the dev. It sucks when people misuse reviews but I can't force people to be rational. Past that it seems like you're making your own assumptions. Who's to say that telling someone "I know the feeling and this mechanic sucks" isn't going to lead to a negative review when the dev never changes the mechanic based on this feedback that is now seemingly coming from multiple users?

Honestly I'd like to refer to a quote you said in the previous post: "it helps them learn to phrase their complaints in a critical inquisitive manner". I'd simply disagree, being nice to people no matter what encourages never thinking critically and always going with gut reactions, because they'll have no repercussions for it if "F*** this game it sucks, set system is garbage" and "could anyone explain how I can get more set pieces easier" get identical replies. Being "condescending" is what makes them go "I shouldn't post that the game is 0 fun when RNG isn't perfect because not everyone will agree with an emotionally-charged argument, maybe I should just ask for advice without saying the game should be changed based on 1 expected RNG outcome".

Originally posted by JooberDoober:

Again, I'm only going on and on about this because I made an assumption of my own based on how detailed your responses were that it was worth offering a better long-term solution for dealing with rage threads, as I figured you'd be active in the forums for the game. We can just agree to disagree if we're not seeing eye-to-eye. No harm no foul.

I appreciate that you're trying because like I said I see you mean well, but there's room in the forum for more than one type of user. If you like you're free to be the guy that gives advice while patting people on the back and making them feel good, and you'll probably get steam awards dumped on you for the trouble. I'll be fine being the guy that states the facts but doesn't put on kiddy gloves while getting just as many steam awards in the shape of clowns or whatever. You can leave people feeling happier no matter what they post, and I'll leave them knowing that they can't just vomit anything into the forum and be applauded for it. In the end the advice given is probably the same and the steam points are the same.

[HeraldOfOpera]

As an aside, you can stop the game from trying to finish a set by just holding onto the part you don't want to actually equip. The game won't spawn equipment you already have, which is more obvious for charms because you might actually want it to.

[FFF]

Originally posted by Bliss:

Finishing sets is extremely common, especially if you actually try to finish them in game instead of just complain in the forum that you did 1 run and the game didn't hand you 3 full sets.

There's an entire stat called Magic Find that boosts the already high chance you find more set pieces once you have some, and one of the mastery levels gives you some permanent Magic Find when you open up any chests.

Dice will boost the chances you finish sets too, either using red dice to get more rooms that give equipment (especially set chests) or using gold dice to reroll in rooms that have high odds of finishing your sets (meaning set boss rewards or item type rewards that match set pieces you still need).

So common yeah, 0.0% unlocks of the "10 set activation" achievement.

[Dollop of Mayo]

completing one or two sets isn't super unlikely, tho I've definitely had runs where I've gotten halves of a bunch of different sets and that felt lame

Completing 10 in one run, I'd imagine you'd have to get lucky and find items with high Magic Find ASAP and open every single chest in sight, set or otherwise, to get MF up higher (with the Mastery ability that does that). I could see that one taking a bunch of restarted runs, it's not an achievement I'd hunt coz it sounds frustrating

[HeraldOfOpera]

Originally posted by Dollop of Mayo:

completing one or two sets isn't super unlikely, tho I've definitely had runs where I've gotten halves of a bunch of different sets and that felt lame

Completing 10 in one run, I'd imagine you'd have to get lucky and find items with high Magic Find ASAP and open every single chest in sight, set or otherwise, to get MF up higher (with the Mastery ability that does that). I could see that one taking a bunch of restarted runs, it's not an achievement I'd hunt coz it sounds frustrating

It doesn't require it to be in a single run. It's just that the achievement was only added a couple of days ago and isn't retroactive.

[Dlanor]

Originally posted by FFF:

So common yeah, 0.0% unlocks of the "10 set activation" achievement.

The achievement rate is 1.8% right now and not 0.0%, you're on some page that doesn't track completion rate live. A low rate doesn't mean uncommon here, it means the achievement was added to the game only a couple days ago and Steam doesn't magically give the achievement retroactively. A large chunk of the player base hasn't played enough to pick up 10 different sets in the past few days, even if that's only a handful of runs. Compare it to 0.5% for "Have 5 booze effects at once when beating death", it's more than 3 times as common to get 10 different set bonuses.

I don't believe you if you're going to claim you have enough playtime to actually form an opinion on this and yet believe "get 10 total set bonuses" is somehow an unobtainable feat. It's just so far removed from reason that it has to be based on lack of information and just blindly assuming things.

[Dollop of Mayo]

Originally posted by HeraldOfOpera:

Originally posted by Dollop of Mayo:

completing one or two sets isn't super unlikely, tho I've definitely had runs where I've gotten halves of a bunch of different sets and that felt lame

Completing 10 in one run, I'd imagine you'd have to get lucky and find items with high Magic Find ASAP and open every single chest in sight, set or otherwise, to get MF up higher (with the Mastery ability that does that). I could see that one taking a bunch of restarted runs, it's not an achievement I'd hunt coz it sounds frustrating

It doesn't require it to be in a single run. It's just that the achievement was only added a couple of days ago and isn't retroactive.

oic, that's not so bad then. Seems like something you'd just get eventually, no need to rush it

edit: in fact I just did, went for all the set item chests/rooms I could and completed like 3 sets (out of like 12 set items I got) and got the cheevo