Just to get it off my chest

[gnomingpigeon]

I bought FM13 almost as soon as it came out and have been tearing my hair out pretty much ever since that point, trying to work out the new tactics and training systems and, more than anything, why my tactics which worked so well in FM12 were suddenly unable to buy a win in this new version, on top of wondering how on Earth the new training system could ever be more useful than the older version.

I've played the FM franchise games since the split from the unmentionable "others" and have loved every installment even more than it's predecessor, so I was loathe to read so many discussions of people whining and moaning about how the game is now too hard, too unrealistic, too realistic etc. etc. While I am by no means an expert at this game, or even a novice, I (like many others) have found myself initially utterly perplexed by the suble nuances of this new installment; my qualms with defensive positioning, misplaced passes, goalkeeper mistakes, seemingly endless problems with squad integration and so on. On top of this, I (like many others) found myself, initially, questioning as to whether this new installment was A)worth the money and B) designed to be completely unwinnable, until two things happened.

Firstly, I scoured these discussion boards and took the advice of those who are, obviously, much better at the game than myself regarding overall tactics, team/individual instructions, PPMs and training, amongst other things, in order to attempt to fix, for example, my terrible defensive line (which, for all intents and purposes might as well have been four sand-bags) and, hopefully, my previously horrendous run of form. I'd made all of the typical mistakes; played players out of a good position-tactic relationship, ignored PPMs, moved the DL out of place, changed my tactics on pretty much a day-to-day basis and anything else you can think of, short of not playing a goalkeeper at all. Pretty much everything that you could get away with in FM12 with little-to-no cosequence if you were in charge of a good enough squad.

The second, arguably more important, thing that happened was that I watched the Premier League for the past couple of weeks more often than I have for years. I quickly realised (especially with Arsenal's 7-3 thrashing of Newcastle yesterday) that the defensive mistakes, the badly placed goalkeepers (especially their near-post mistakes) and the misplaced passes are part and parcel of the whole game; few goalkeepers keep clean sheet after clean sheet after clean sheet, no full-back shuts down a winger for entire games at a time, no centre-back wins every header put in front of him. To see these implemented into a game as they have in FM13, while undoubtedly frustrating, have made the game more realistic than ever. In my opinion. Others have voiced how this makes the game totally unrealistic and some too realistic, but I respectfully disagree. Through implementing new and better tactical/training systems, buying less players straight off the bat in June 2012 etc, I've made these realisms much more managable and find the game just as enjoyable as it's predecessor, probably moreso once I start winning on a consistent basis in 2017. The problems were not the fault of the game, but of my own tactical inadequacies.

As I have said, I seem to have managed to patch up some of the holes in my neverendingly leaky back-four in my Tottenham squad and will continue with this higher level team for a good few seasons, until I have most (if not all) of the kinks worked out of my tactical choices, before attempting to take a lower league side to international glory (where I expect my problems could start all over again, at least for a while).

If you read this, you may find yourself questioning what point there was to this unnecessarily long post and for that you have my apologies. While there is no real ground-breaking epiphany within, I simply wanted to defend a game from frustrated gamers who, like myself, struggled to master the game straight from the word "go", that I thoroughly enjoy. I am still a bit dubious about the new training system, and would prefer the option to use the older, more complex version of training in full Career mode and using the new, less time-consuming, version of training in Classic mode, though I am sure this is something that, at the very least, I could learn to live with.

All-in-all I mean to cause no offence, my views are my own opinion only and not considered to be fact. Haters gon' hate.

[Majere]

A few things i can tell you. Many of the previous tactics around were just tactics that took advantage of the AI in 2012. They call them AI beaters. Players load this up and pretty much dominate and think its realistic. Well the AI is much better here, so you are right. I would say more realistic not less. If you send your players out there all confused with team doing 1 thing and your men doing another you get whacked. Also i find that sometimes you lose to a lower level team, not because the AI sucks but they play a style you are very weak at defending. Simple as that. Check tactics for EACH and every single match

[gnomingpigeon]

Thanks for the tip! I have found it more difficult against lower level teams and couldn't work out why, e.g I beat City 1-0 at the Emirates, then lost 2-1 to Norwich at White Hart Lane haha. I've got Johan Cruyff as my Assistant Manager and he's scouting all of my opposition in advance. In fairness, he should probably be the manager instead of me!

[Bhoy81]

In my save and am celtic and i have found playing big teams in europe is a lot more easy in this one i think it's because the new AI thinks like real life and my players will be up for it more and the CPU AI will think they will win it easy like you have said you find it harder playing smaller teams.

Try and look foor some other players at the back as well, if you need any lists of good players in a budget let me know i can give them to you

[Bhoy81]

some players that could help you at the back with your spurs game

Full backs:

Patrice Evra - Manchester United £6.25m (if you are a big team like PSG/Real/Barca)
Jose Enrique - Liverpool £7m
Martin Olsson - Blackburn £4.5m
Atsuto Uchida - Schalke £3.2m
Aly Cissokho - Valencia £4.2m (not as great as last year or the year before but still decent backup)
Kleber - Internacional 900k (getting on a bit but good player for a year or two for smaller teams)
Georgy Schennikov - CSKA
Sebastian Corchia - Souchaux
Denis Aogo - HSV (plays DM and other positions too)
Sime Vrsaljko - Dinamo
Juan Manuel Vargas - Fiorentina
Filipe - Atletico Madrid
Hugo Campagnaro - Napoli £3m (32 yrs old but great stats for a couple of seasons stil)
Alex Sandro - Fc Porto
Danilo - Fc Porto
Gokhan Gonul - Fenerbahce
Senad Lulic - Lazio £8m
Matthias Zimmerman - Borussia Mönchengladbach
Lee Addy - Dalian

Centre backs:

Simon Kjaer- Wolfsburg £3m
Angelo Ogbonna - Torino £7.25m
Douglas - Fc Twente £8.5m
Federico Fazio - Sevilla £5.5m
Andreas Granqvist - Genoa £3.8m
Guiseppe Bellusci - Catania £3.2m
Aymen Abdennour - Tolouse
Guilermo Burdisso - Boca £6.5m
Ryan Donk - Club Brugge £2.4m
Ezequiel Munoz - Palermo
Raul Albiol - Real Madrid (offer to loan and pay like 75k and 50% wages for full season)
David Mendes Da Silva - Red Bull Salzburg £2m
Dede - Vasco Da Gama
Nicolas Lombaerts - Zenit £13m
Benedikt Howedes - Schalke
Rever - Atletico Mineiro
Mario Fernandes - CSKA
Mehdi Benatia - Udinese £8.5m
Naldo - Bremen
Nicolas N'Kolou - OM
Avraam Papodoplous - Olyimpiakos
Bruno Alves - Zenit
Toby Alderwierd - Ajax
Aurelian Chedjou - Lille
Salvatore Bochetti - Rubin Kazan
Davide Astori - Cagliari
Yanga Mbiwa - Montpellier
Kader Mangane - Al Hilal (KSA) £9.5m

Hope this will help you at the back

[gnomingpigeon]

thanks Ivan! I'll definitely look into these at the end of the season. I'm trying to keep the original team in place as much as possible for the first season, I've read that too many new players can upset the balance too much and lead to more bad results. I've currently got Walker, Kaboul, Vertongen and Assou-Ekotto at the back and they aren't doing terribly at the minute, though I'm by no means Walker's biggest fan, nor Assou-Ekotto's. I'm also trying to keep as many English players as I can in the side, so I don't run into issues for Home Grown players in future seasons.

Any of those listed above that you would particularly recommend?

[Hashassin]

May the Jah bless you for your post gnomingpigeon! :D from the list i can recommend N'koulu, Yanga-Mbiwa, Papadopoulos, Dede

[Red Shift]

Nice post, Football is a game with passionate fans, but I feel if you come to this game with the same level of passion, you're in for a world of hurt. You need to be very analytical, and sometimes very cold and harsh towards people you hero worship at 3pm on a Saturday.
Spot on with your points regarding the number of mistakes happening in real games - I watch my team (liverpool) at all levels - U18, U19, U21 and ofc the 1st team and I'm constantly seeing bits of play in my game that mirror what I've seen on a pitch or vice versa.

[Bhoy81]

Originally posted by gnomingpigeon:

thanks Ivan! I'll definitely look into these at the end of the season. I'm trying to keep the original team in place as much as possible for the first season, I've read that too many new players can upset the balance too much and lead to more bad results. I've currently got Walker, Kaboul, Vertongen and Assou-Ekotto at the back and they aren't doing terribly at the minute, though I'm by no means Walker's biggest fan, nor Assou-Ekotto's. I'm also trying to keep as many English players as I can in the side, so I don't run into issues for Home Grown players in future seasons.

Any of those listed above that you would particularly recommend?

I change max of 5-6 players in the first season, and you can try and sign as many youth as you want, the good thing about the end of season is loads of players get un-happy and you can pick good players up for a good price

[Bhoy81]

Originally posted by {RG}Hashassin{aj}:

May the Jah bless you for your post gnomingpigeon! :D from the list i can recommend N'koulu, Yanga-Mbiwa, Papadopoulos, Dede

Originally posted by gnomingpigeon:

thanks Ivan! I'll definitely look into these at the end of the season. I'm trying to keep the original team in place as much as possible for the first season, I've read that too many new players can upset the balance too much and lead to more bad results. I've currently got Walker, Kaboul, Vertongen and Assou-Ekotto at the back and they aren't doing terribly at the minute, though I'm by no means Walker's biggest fan, nor Assou-Ekotto's. I'm also trying to keep as many English players as I can in the side, so I don't run into issues for Home Grown players in future seasons.

Any of those listed above that you would particularly recommend?

like the other poster said Dede, if you have 17 million to spend but if not, get Yanga-Mbiwa he always want to leave for a bigger club you can pick him up for around 6-9 million

Also a really good young centre half is Jores Okore only 19 and is class will only cost you a max of 1.5-2 million

Also there is a CDM called Kara, tromso but he can be trained to a CB and will cost you a max 3.3 million

For right back Sime Vrsaljko - Dinamo, he will cost you around 5-6 million but he is very good and for left back Sebastian Corchia - Souchaux he is young as well but he will cost you around 7-8 million both really good young players

also keep Steven Caulker, he ends upreally good in the game

If you want some really good young english players here is a few i know of

Jack Butland, Birmingham
Alex Smithies, Huddersfield
Jack Robinson, Liverpool
Thomas Ince, Blackpool
George Green, Everton
Ross Barkley, Everton
Mason Bennett, Derby
Adam Campbell, Newcastle
Will Hughes, Derby

they are just off the top of my head mate

[Bhoy81]

Here is a big list of known youth players PA ratings as well

George Green, Everton – 65/-9
Tristan Berghuis, PSV – 66/-9
Wesley Said, Stade Rennais FC – 69/-9
Andreas Pereira, Manchester United – 72/-9
Ryan McLaughlin, Liverpool – 77/-9
Lorenzo Tassi, F.C. Inter♥♥♥♥onale – 77/-9
Alex Grimaldo, F.C. Barcelona B – 77/-9
Ricardo Kishna, AFC Ajax – 79/-9
Timo Werner, VFB Stuttgart II – 79/-9
Nathan Ake, Chelsea – 80/-9
Mats Daehli, Manchester United – 80/-9
Sergi Samper, F.C. Barcelona B – 80/-9
Serge Gnabry, Arsenal – 81/-9
Adrian Januzaj, Manchester United – 82/-9
Maximilian Meyer, Schalke 04 II – 83/-9
Fabrice Olinga, Yaounde – 84/-9
Hervin Ongenda, Paris Saint-Germain – 84/-9
Zakaria Bakkali, PSV – 85/-9
Muhammed Demirci, Besiktas – 85/-9
Denis Suarez, Manchester City – 86/-9
Yaisien Abdallah, Paris Saint-Germain – 86/-9
Daniele Rugani, Empoli – 88/-9
Bertrand Traore, Chelsea - 90/-9
Adam Campbell, Newcastle United – 90/-9
Luke Shaw, Southampton – 90/-9
Soule Coulibaly, Tottenham Hotspur – 90/-9
Leon Goretzka, Bochum – 90/-9
Nathaniel Chalobah, Chelsea – 93/-9
Romario, EC Vitoria – 94/-9
Alessio Romagnoli, AS Roma – 95/-9
Leandro Paredes, Boca Juniors – 96/-9
James Ward-Prowse, Southampton – 97/-9
Anass Achahbar, Feyenoord – 97/-9
Samed Yesil, Liverpool – 97/-9
Tonny Trindade de Vilhena, Feyenoord – 99/-9
Ricordo Centurion, Racing Club – 100/-9
Stefano Denswil, AFC Ajax – 100/-9
Bruma, Sporting B – 100/-9
Jean-Marie Dongou, F.C. Barcelona B – 100/-9
Esteban Andrade, Lanus – 103/-9
Lorenzo Crisetig, F.C. Inter♥♥♥♥onale – 105/-9
Valerio Verre, Genoa – 105/-9
Carlos Fierro, CD Guadalajara – 105/-9
Alvaro Vadillo, Real Betis B – 105/-9
Jack Butland, Birmingham City – 106/-9
Nicola Leali, Juventus – 106/-9
Lenny Nangis, Stade Malherbe Caen – 106/-9
Ravel Morrison, West Ham United – 108/-9
Andy Polo, Genoa CFC – 108/-9
Emre Can, FC Bayern Munchen – 109/-9
Josh McEachran, Chelsea – 110/-9
Ross Barkley, Everton – 110/-9
Nicolas Tagliafico, Banfield – 111/-9
Raheem Sterling, Liverpool – 111/-9
Memphis Depay, PSV – 111/-9
Moi Gomez, Villareal – 112/-9
Mbaye Niang, A.C. Milan – 112/-9
Paulo Dybala, Citta di Palermo – 114/-9
Jano, Spartak Moscow – 114/-9
Yassine Benzia, Olympique Lyonnais – 114/-9
Adryan, Flamengo – 115/-9
Viktor Fischer, Ajax – 115/-9
Nick Powell, Manchester United – 115/-9
Rafinha, F.C. Barcelona B – 116/-9
Paco Alcacer, Valencia C.F. – 116/-9
Erick Torres, CD Guadalajara – 117/-9
Nicusor Stanciu, Sporting Club Vaslui – 117/-9
Paul Pogba, Juventus – 117/-9
Dedryck Boyata, Manchester City – 118/-9
Juanmi, Malaga – 119/-9
Luc Castaignos, FC Twente – 120/-9
Francesco Bardi, F.C. Inter♥♥♥♥onale – 120/-9
Angelo Henriquez, Manchester United – 120/-9
Mateo Kovacic, GNK Dinamo – 121/-9
Lucas Ocampos, AS Monaco FC – 122/-9
Juan Iturbe, FCP – 122/-9
Gino Peruzzi, Velez Sarsfield – 123/-9
Leonardo Bittencourt, Borussia Dortmund – 123/-9
Jese, R. Madrid Castilla – 124/-9
Tolga Cigerci, VFL Wolfsburg – 124/-9
Ezequiel Carigliano, River Plate – 125/-9
Zakaria Labyad, Sporting (POR) – 125/-9
Gianluca Caprari, Delfino Pescara – 125/-9
Matija Nastasic, Manchester City – 125/-9
Sergi Roberto, F.C. Barcelona B – 125/-9
Facundo Ferreyra, Velez Sarsfield – 126/-9
Romelu Lukaku, Chelsea – 126/-9
Ademilson, Sao Paulo FC – 126/-9
Francis Coquelin, Arsenal – 127/-9
Mattia De Sciglio, A.C. Milan – 127/-9
Adam Maher, AZ Alkmaar – 128/-9
Gerard Deulofeu, Barcelona B – 129/-9
Kurt Zouma, As Saint-Etienne – 129/-9
Heung-Min Son, HSV – 129/-9
Marco Verratti, Paris Saint-Germain – 130/-9
Pablo Sarabia, Getafe – 130/-9
Moritz Leitner, Borussia Dortmund – 132/-9
Roberto Firmino, TSG Hoffenheim – 132/-9
Alexandre Lacazette, Lyon – 134/-9
Stephan El Shaarawy, A.C. Milan – 137/-9
Kevin De Bruyne, Chelsea – 138/-9
Alex Oxlade Chamberlain, Arsenal – 138/-9
Kyriakos Papadopoulos, Schalke 04 – 138/-9
Alan Dzagoev, CSKA Moscow – 138/-9
Gokhan Tore, Rubin Kazan – 139/-9
Raphael Varane, Real Madrid – 139/-9
Fabio, Manchester United – 140/-9
Lee Chung-Yong – 140/-9
Rodrigo, SLB – 140/-9
Julian Draxler, Schalke 04 – 140/-9
Bernd Leno, Bayer Leverkusen – 145/-9
Isco, Malaga – 146/-9
Thibaut Courtois, Chelsea – 150/-9




Mauro Caballero, C Libertad – 110/170, 17


Jon Williams, Crystal Palace – 113/160, 18
Lazar Markovic, FK Partizan Belgrado – 123/160, 18
Sean Murray, Watford – 124/160, 18


Haris Vuckic, NewcastleUnited – 116/160, 19
Ruben Pardo, Real Sociedad – 124/168, 19
Maxym Koval, Dynamo Kyiv – 133/165, 19
Granit Xhaka, Borrusia Monchengladbach – 133/160, 19
Bernard, Clube Atletico Mineiro – 140/168, 19
Lucas Moura, Sao Paulo FC - 147/173, 19
Iker Munian, Athletic Club – 151/165, 19


Federico Viviani, AS Roma, 116/160, 20
Eyal Golasa, Maccabi Haifa, 120/167, 20
Pedro, Sampdoria – 122/163, 20
Marco Davide Faraoni, Udinese – 123/163, 20
Manolo Gabbiadini, Juventus – 125/167, 20
Oriol Romeu, Chelsea – 127/165, 20
Fernando, Gremio – 133/160
Casemiro, Sao Paulo FC – 136/161
Erik Lamela, AS Roma – 140/175, 20
Coutinho, F.C. Inter♥♥♥♥onale – 141/167, 20
Wellingtom Nem, Fluminense – 143/162, 20
Phil Jones, Manchester United – 144/174, 20
Christian Eriksen, AFC Ajax – 147/173, 20
Xherdan Shaqiri, Bayern Munchen – 147/175, 20
Oscar, Chelsea – 148/175, 20
Jack Wilshere, Arsenal – 149/177, 20
David Alaba, Bayern Munchen – 151/174, 20
Marc-Andre ter Stegen, Borussia Monchengladbach – 154/185, 20
Mario Gotze, Borussia Dortmund – 158/182, 20
Neymar, Santos FC – 169/188, 20


Johan Martial, Stade Brestois 29 – 118/160, 21
Andrea Bertolacci, Genoa – 124/161, 21
Emmanuel Igiebor, Real Betis – 124/161, 21
Carlos Labrin, Citta di Palermo – 126/160, 21
Alexandr Kokorin, Dinamo Mocow – 127/160, 21
Georgy Schennikov, CSKA Moscow – 129/160, 21
Ezequiel Munoz, Citta di Palermo – 130/164, 21
Felipe Gutierrez, FC Twente – 130/160, 21
James McCarthy, Wigan Athletic – 131/165, 21
Youssef Msakni, Esperance Sportive de Tunis – 132/162, 21
Sebastien Corchia, FC Sochaux – 132/165, 21
Abel Hernandez, Citta di Palermo, 133/167, 21
Panagiotis Tachtsidis, AS Roma – 134/160, 21
Alessandro Florenzi, AS Roma – 134/162, 21
Georginio Wijnaldum, PSV – 135/161, 21
Jan Kirchoff, FSV Mainz – 135/160, 21
Mattia Destro, Genoa – 135/168, 21
Victor Moses, Chelsea – 136/160, 21
Marc Bartra, F.C. Barcelona – 136/165, 21
Lorenzo Insigne, Napoli – 137/166, 21
Jack Rodwell, Manchester City – 138/165, 21
Lacina Traore, Anji Makhachkala – 138/165, 21
Luis Fernando Muriel, Udinese – 139/168, 21
Douglas Costa, Shakhtar Donetsk – 140/160, 21
Alex Sandro, FCP – 140/164, 21
Mario Fernandes, CSKA Moscow – 140/166, 21
Bojan, F.C. Barcelona – 141/166, 21
Luuk de Jong, Borussia Monchengladbach – 141/162, 21
Aaron Ramsey, Arsenal – 142/175, 21
Antoine Griezmann, Real Sociedad – 142/163, 21
Gaston Ramirez, Southampton – 142/175, 21
Danilo, FCP – 143/169, 21
Davide Santon, Newcastle United – 143/167, 21
Inigo Martinez, Real Sociedad – 143/165, 21
Romulo, Spartak Moscow – 145/170, 21
Fabio Borini, Liverpool – 145/165, 21
James Rodriguez, FCP – 145/169, 21
Lewis Holtby, Schalke 04 – 146/161, 21
Sergio Canales, Valencia – 148/168, 21
Andre Schurrle, Bayer Leverkusen – 151/165, 21
Ilkay Gundogan, Borussia Dortmund – 152/170, 21
David De Gea, Manchester United – 154/180, 21
Mario Balotelli, Manchester City – 155/168, 21
Thiago, Barcelona – 156/180, 21

[Bhoy81]

Oh i forgot to say, buying young english players will cost you more than getting in some young players from out side of england, try and get them from there and train them for 3 seasons if you can

[Bhoy81]

Here is another wee list (LOL) of wonderkids

Football Manager 2013 Wonderkids

Goalkeepers (GK)

A selection of the best Football Manager 2013 wonderkids (goalkeepers).

Name Age Club Nation Value
Jack Butland 19 Birmingham England £1.7m
Maxym Koval 19 Dynamo Kyiv Ukraine £2.1m
Alphonse Areola 19 PSG France £0.25m
Jan Oblak 19 Ro Ave Slovenia £0.25m
Nicola Leali 19 Virtus Lanciano Italy £0.25m
Thibaut Courtois 20 Atletico Madrid Belgium £5.5m
Marc-Andre ter Stegen 20 Gladbach Germany £6m
Bernd Leno 20 Leverkusen Germany £4.2m
Francesco Bardi 20 Novara Italy £0.65m
Zacharie Boucher 20 Harve AC France £0.425m
Ali Ahamada 20 Toulouse FC France £2.4m
Esteban Andrada 21 Lanus Argentina £0.4m
Jeroen Zoet 21 RKC Holland £0.375m

Centre Backs (CB)

A selection of the best Football Manager 2013 wonderkids (centre backs).

Name Age Club Nation Value
Kurt Zouma 17 AS Saint-Etienne France £4m
Karim Rekik 17 Man City Holland £0.4m
Jack Robinson 18 Liverpool England £1.5m
Nicolas Tagliafico 19 Murcia Argentina £0.475m
Matija Nastasic 19 Man City Serbia £2.9m
Raphael Varane 19 Real Madrid France £3.8m
Andre Hoffman 19 Duisburg Germany £0.65m
Tomas Kalas 19 Vitesse Czech Republic £0.475m
Stefan de Vrij 20 Feyenoord Holland £2.4m
Phil Jones 20 Man Utd England £7.25m
Nikola Maksimovic 20 Red Star Serbia £1.2m
Danny Wilson 20 Liverpool Scotland £1.9m
Kyriakos Papadopoulos 20 Schalke Greece £6m
Bruno Martins Indi 20 Feyenoord Holland £2.7m
Marc Muniesa 20 Barcelona Spain £1.2m
Joel Matip 20 Schalke Cameroon £4.8m
Steven Caulker 20 Tottenham England £3.8m
Jordi Amat 20 Rayo Spain £1.9m
Siyanda Xulu 20 Rostov South Africa £1.5m
Inigo Martinez 21 Real Sociedad Spain £4.2m
Joel Matip 21 Schalke Cameroon £4.9m

Full Backs (RB/LB/WBR/WBL)

A selection of the best Football Manager 2013 wonderkids (full backs).

Name Age Club Nation Value
Kenny Tete 16 Ajax Holland £0.08m
Jack Robinson 18 Liverpool England £3.1m
Serge Aurier 18 Toulouse FC France £2.2m
Romario 18 Vitoria Brazil £0.02m
Benjamin Mendy 18 Harve AC France £0.425m
Serge Aurier 19 Toulouse FC Ivory Coast £2.8m
Mattia De Sciglio 19 AC Milan Italy £1.9m
Matteo Liviero 19 Perugia Italy £0.325m
Jerome Roussillon 19 FC Sochaux France £2.4m
Sebastien Corchia 20 FC Sochaux France £3.4m
Davide Santon 20 Newcastle Italy £4.8m
Martin Montoya 20 Barcelona Spain £2.4m
Sime Vrsaljko 20 Dinamo Croatia £2.3m
Iheb Mbarki 20 Evian TG Tunisia £2.6m
Gino Peruzzi 20 Velez Argentina £0.65m
Marco Davide Faraoni 20 Udinese Italy £1.8m
Mario Fernandes 21 Gremio Brazil £3.9m
Rafael 21 Man Utd Brazil £6m
Fabio 21 Man Utd Brazil £4.6m
Diego Renan 21 Cruzeiro Brazil £3m

Centre Mids (DM/CM)

A selection of the best Football Manager 2013 wonderkids (centre mids).

Name Age Club Nation Value
Leon Goretzka 17 Bochum Germany £0.150m
Mats Daehli 17 Man Utd Norway £0.07m
Lucas Otavio 17 Santos Brazil £0.025m
Emre Can 18 FC Bayern Germany £1m
Valerio Verre 18 Sienna Italy £0.525m
Nick Powell 18 Man Utd England £1.8m
Soualiho Meite 18 Auxerre France £1.8m
Ross Barkley 18 Everton England £2m
Diego Reyes 19 America (MEX) Mexico £0.950m
Granit Xhaka 19 Gladbach Switzerland £4.5m
Ruben Pardo 19 Real Sociedad Spain £1.4m
Marco Verratti 19 PSG Italy £6.5m
Moritz Leitner 19 Dortmund Germany £4.5m
Zakaria Labyad 19 Sporting Morrocco £0.550m
Markus Henriksen 19 AZ Norway £2.8m
Bruno Zuculini 19 Racing Club Argentina £0.875m
Paul Pogba 19 Juventus France £1.1m
Tom Trybull 19 Werder Bremen Germany £1.2m
Simone Calvano 19 Verona Italy £0.45m
Josh McEachran 19 Middlesbrough England £4.4m
Abdul Razak 19 Man City Ivory Coast £0.875m
Jano 19 Spartak Moscow Georgia £2m
Yoshiaki Takagi 19 FC Utrecht Japan £0.4m
Oriol Romeu 20 Chelsea Spain £2.6m
Fernando 20 Gremio Brazil £4m
Koke 20 Atletico Spain £3.4m
Casemiro 20 Sao Paulo Brazil £3.6m
Ariel Borysiuk 20 Kaiserslautern Poland £1.4m
Ezequiel Cirigliano 20 River Argentina £1.4m
Jack Wilshere 20 Arsenal England £12m
Christian Eriksen 20 Ajax Denmark £12.75m
Fernando 20 Gremio Brazil £4.8m
Emmanuel Frimpong 20 Arsenal Ghana £2.6m
Neeskens Kebano 20 Stade Malherbe France £2.4m
Romulo 21 Spartak Moscow Brazil £11.25m
Kevin De Bruyne 21 Werder Bremen Belgium £5m
Thiago 21 Barcelona Spain £11.25m
Aaron Ramsey 21 Arsenal Wales £8m
IIkay Gundogan 21 Dortmund Germany £10m
Magnus Wolff Eikrem 21 Molde Norway £2.2m

Attacking Mids (AMR/AML/AMC)

A selection of the best Football Manager 2013 wonderkids (attacking mids).

Name Age Club Nation Value
Maximilian Meyer 16 Schalke Germany £0.075m
George Green 16 Everton England £0.04m
Lucas Andersen 17 Ajax Denmark £2m
Alvaro Vadillo 17 Betis B Spain £0.375m
Adnan Januzaj 17 Man Utd Albania £0.15m
Serge Gnabry 17 Arsenal Germany £0.1m
Adryan 17 Flamengo Brazil £1.3m
Raheem Sterling 17 Liverpool England £4.4m
Bruma 17 Sporting Guinea £0.13m
Tony Trindade de Vilhena 17 Feyenoord Holland £0.09m
Oliver 17 Atletico Madrid Spain £0.325m
Moi Gomez 17 Villareal Spain £0.525m
Ricardo Kishna 17 Ajax Holland £0.015m
Otavio 17 Internacional Brazil £0.675m
Fede Vico 18 Cordoba Spain £0.65m
Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain 18 Arsenal England £6m
Leonardo Bittencourt 18 Dortmund Germany £2m
Adam Maher 18 AZ Holland £3.4m
Denis Suarez 18 Man City Spain £0.05m
Gerard Deulofeu 18 Barcelona B Spain £3.9m
Lenny Nangis 18 Caen France £0.5m
Lucas Piazon 18 Chelsea Brazil £0.3m
Julian Draxler 18 Schalke Germany £8.75m
Viktor Fischer 18 Ajax Denmark £0.4m
Sean Murray 18 Watford Ireland £2m
Kerim Frei 18 Fulham Turkey £2m
Mateo Kovacic 18 Dinamo Croatia £3.9m
Amin Younes 18 Gladbach Germany £0.75m
Lazar Markovic 18 Partizan Serbia £1.6m
Lucas Moura 19 PSG Brazil £9m
Moritz Leitner 19 Dortmund Germany £4.5m
Zakaria Labyad 19 Sporting Morrocco £0.525m
Markus Henriksen 19 AZ Norway £2.7m
Kostas Fortounis 19 Kaiserslautern Greece £2.2M
Juan Iturbe 19 Porto Argentina £0.13m
Jean Bahebeck 19 ESTAC Troyes France £2.8m
Stephan El Shaarawy 19 AC Milan Italy £3.5m
Iker Muniain 19 Athletic Spain £10.5m
Erick Torres 19 Chivas Mexico £0.475m
Bernard 19 Atletico Mineiro Brazil £4.4m
Carles Gil 19 Elche Spain £0.425m
Thorgan Hazard 19 Zulte Waragem Belgium £0.13m
Felipe Anderson 19 Santos Brazil £1.5m
Rafinha 19 Barcelona Brazil £0.875m
Edgar Salli 19 AS Monaco Cameroon £3m
Moussa Konate 19 Krasnodar Senegal £2m
Luis Alberto 19 Barcelona Spain £1.2m
Jese 19 Real Madrid Spain £1.7m
Haris Vuckic 19 Newcastle Slovenia £2.2m
Gokhan Tore 20 Rubin Turkey £8.5m
Erik Lamela 20 Roma Argentina £4.2m
Oscar 20 Chelsea Brazil £13.5m
Isco 20 Malaga Spain £8.75m
Xherdan Shaqiri 20 FC Bayern Switzerland £10.25m
Georgi Milanov 20 Litex Bulgaria £1.2m
Mario Gotze 20 Dortmund Germany £15.25m
Wellington Nem 20 Fluminense Brazil £3.5m
Coutinho 20 Inter Brazil £4m
Filip Djuricic 20 SC Heerenveen Serbia £2.6m
Valentin Eysseric 20 Nice France £3.1m
Roberto Firmino 20 Hoffenheim Brazil £4.1m
Jonjo Shelvey 20 Liverpool England £3.9m
Tolga Cigerci 20 Gladbach Germany £2.3m
Davide Petrucci 20 Man Utd Italy £0.6m
Thomas Ince 20 Blackpool England £3.6m
Adem Ljajic 20 ACF Fiorentina Serbia £2.3m
Manolo Gabbiadini 20 Bologna Italy £1.7m
Douglas Costa 21 Shakhtar Brazil £6.25m
Janes Rodriguez 21 Porto Colombia £8.5m
Georginio Wijnaldum 21 PSV Holland £4.8m
Luciano Narsingh 21 PSV Holland £5.5m
Antoine Griezmann 21 Real Sociedad France £5.25m
Andre Schurrle 21 Leverkusen Germany £10.75m

Strikers (ST)

A selection of the best Football Manager 2013 wonderkids (strikers).

Name Age Club Nation Value
Zakaria Bakkali 16 PSV Belgium £0.02m
Souleymane Coulibaly 17 Tottenham Ivory Coast £0.15m
Adam Campbell 17 Newcastle England £0.1m
Carlos Fierro 17 Chivas Mexico £0.09m
Mbaye Niang 17 AC Milan France £0.725m
Yassine Benzia 17 Lyon France £3.1m
Angelo Henriquez 18 Man Utd Chille £3m
Samed Yesil 18 Liverpool Germany £0.5m
Ademilson 18 Sao Paulo Brazil £1.3M
Gianluca Caprari 18 Pescara Italy £1.9m
Lucas Ocampos 18 AS Monaco Argentina £8.75m
Paco Alcacer 18 Getafe Spain £0.775m
Sebastien Haller 18 AJ Auxerre France £0.35m
Paulo Dybala 18 Palermo Argentina £0.7m
Romelu Lukaku 19 West Brom Belgium £5m
Alex Schalk 19 NAC Breda Holland £0.5m
Niclas Fullkrug 19 Werder Bremen Germany £2.3m
Diego Rubio 19 Sporting Chille £0.525m
Andreas Cornelius 19 FC Kobenhavn Denmark £0.725m
Richmond Boakye 19 Sassuolo Ghana £1.5m
Alexy Bossetti 19 OGC Nice France £1.7m
Luc Castaignos 19 FC Twente Holland £2.6m
Son Heung-Min 20 HSV Korea £2.9m
Manolo Gabbiadini 20 Bologna Italy £1.7m
Neymar 20 Santos Brazil £21M
Ishak Belfodil 20 Parma France £1.7m
Joel Campbell 20 Betis Costa Rica £0.875m
Jordan Ayew 20 Marseille Ghana £5.25m
Lacina Traore 21 Anji Ivory Coast £7.25m
Facundo Ferreyra 21 Velez Argentina £2.2m
Mattia Destro 21 Roma Italy £3.5m
Rodrigo 21 SLB Spain £6.5m
Alexandre Lacazette 21 Lyon France £6.25m
Lorenzo Insigne 21 Napoli Italy £7.5m

[gnomingpigeon]

Aha thanks Ivan! That should have my scouts busy for a few seasons lol. Yeah, I've taken that route in previous games, get the young guns in at 16 and train them until they get HG status, it's a winner

[Bhoy81]

To be fair mate i have got players in and their stats don't look amazing but they have 7.00 and above every game, i always train young players up and sell them on, look for the regen dates and pick up some cracking young players for next to nothing, train them up and make loads of money on them.

This season i like that players will go in a huff and ask to leave you always end up with a good player for cheap, the best player i see going for nothing is fernando llorente he always says he wants to move.

[gnomingpigeon]

like the other poster said Dede, if you have 17 million to spend but if not, get Yanga-Mbiwa he always want to leave for a bigger club you can pick him up for around 6-9 million

Also a really good young centre half is Jores Okore only 19 and is class will only cost you a max of 1.5-2 million

Also there is a CDM called Kara, tromso but he can be trained to a CB and will cost you a max 3.3 million

For right back Sime Vrsaljko - Dinamo, he will cost you around 5-6 million but he is very good and for left back Sebastian Corchia - Souchaux he is young as well but he will cost you around 7-8 million both really good young players

also keep Steven Caulker, he ends upreally good in the game

If you want some really good young english players here is a few i know of

Jack Butland, Birmingham
Alex Smithies, Huddersfield
Jack Robinson, Liverpool
Thomas Ince, Blackpool
George Green, Everton
Ross Barkley, Everton
Mason Bennett, Derby
Adam Campbell, Newcastle
Will Hughes, Derby

they are just off the top of my head mate

Yeah, my scouts have told me that Caulker gets good, he makes too many mistakes at the minute though. I've looked into Okore and Kara in previous games and not been too impressed with their consistency, though they are both young. Kyle Walker may just have sealed his fate by playing TERRIBLY against Brighton and giving away a penalty so Sime could be a good call, despite his aggression problems. I've got 20 or so in the bank so I'll look into Corchia-Souchaux or Yanga-Mbiwa