I just tried the PIKE-556

[SIT DOWN.]

What in the forgiving hip fire is this ♥♥♥♥? Are you serious? I just dropped two 16 kill games and an 11 kill game back to back to back with very minimal effort. It's like a fast rate of fire KS-23 that you can scope.

[›Kolanaki]

The medium's marksman rifle has good hipfire accuracy and his shotguns are more accurate while ADS. WTF even is this game?

[Marmelade137]

Originally posted by SIT DOWN.:

What in the forgiving hip fire is this ♥♥♥♥? Are you serious? I just dropped two 16 kill games and an 11 kill game back to back to back with very minimal effort. It's like a fast rate of fire KS-23 that you can scope.

People were crying that LH1 was OP so they gave Medium the Pike. People were still crying so they nerfed the LH1 and boosted the Pike to 50dmg per bullet.

[SIT DOWN.]

Originally posted by Marmelade137:

Originally posted by SIT DOWN.:

What in the forgiving hip fire is this ♥♥♥♥? Are you serious? I just dropped two 16 kill games and an 11 kill game back to back to back with very minimal effort. It's like a fast rate of fire KS-23 that you can scope.

People were crying that LH1 was OP so they gave Medium the Pike. People were still crying so they nerfed the LH1 and boosted the Pike to 50dmg per bullet.

It's always the mediums crying on Reddit about lights while they have the best weapons and gadgets in the game.

[super weaner]

I love how light revisionists try to claim that pike is le OP compared to lh1 when
-lh1 has better RPM (270 vs 200) (and therefore, better DPS, at 207 vs 167)
-better headshot multiplier (2x vs 1.5x)
-lower recoil
-bigger mag (15 vs 12)
-faster reload (2.85s vs 3.25s on empty, 1.95s vs 2.10s on tactical)

The damage "nerf" is a nothing burger, from 48 to 46 damage per shot, it still takes the same amount of bullets to kill with Lh1 for all classes

and if you go for headshots, pike kills a light in 2 shots, so is lh1
lh1 kills a medium in 3, pike in 4 (92x3=276, 75x4=300)
lh1 kills a heavy in 4 shots, pike in 5

tl;dr lightbabs have nerfs to other classes done because lights cry a lot, yet they still want more. hope you all will just leave for TDM mode and dont bother the adults in QC/WT/Ranked

[SIT DOWN.]

Originally posted by super weaner:

I love how light revisionists try to claim that pike is le OP compared to lh1 when
-lh1 has better RPM (270 vs 200) (and therefore, better DPS, at 207 vs 167)
-better headshot multiplier (2x vs 1.5x)
-lower recoil
-bigger mag (15 vs 12)
-faster reload (2.85s vs 3.25s on empty, 1.95s vs 2.10s on tactical)

The damage "nerf" is a nothing burger, from 48 to 46 damage per shot, it still takes the same amount of bullets to kill with Lh1 for all classes

and if you go for headshots, pike kills a light in 2 shots, so is lh1
lh1 kills a medium in 3, pike in 4 (92x3=276, 75x4=300)
lh1 kills a heavy in 4 shots, pike in 5

tl;dr lightbabs have nerfs to other classes done because lights cry a lot, yet they still want more. hope you all will just leave for TDM mode and dont bother the adults in QC/WT/Ranked

Yip YAp

[super weaner]

Originally posted by SIT DOWN.:

Yip YAp

>light player when there's more than 5 seconds of attention required

Thank you for proving me right that lights can be barely considered human

[Marmelade137]

Originally posted by super weaner:

I love how light revisionists try to claim that pike is le OP compared to lh1 when
-lh1 has better RPM (270 vs 200) (and therefore, better DPS, at 207 vs 167)
-better headshot multiplier (2x vs 1.5x)
-lower recoil
-bigger mag (15 vs 12)
-faster reload (2.85s vs 3.25s on empty, 1.95s vs 2.10s on tactical)

The damage "nerf" is a nothing burger, from 48 to 46 damage per shot, it still takes the same amount of bullets to kill with Lh1 for all classes

and if you go for headshots, pike kills a light in 2 shots, so is lh1
lh1 kills a medium in 3, pike in 4 (92x3=276, 75x4=300)
lh1 kills a heavy in 4 shots, pike in 5

tl;dr lightbabs have nerfs to other classes done because lights cry a lot, yet they still want more. hope you all will just leave for TDM mode and dont bother the adults in QC/WT/Ranked

Ok now factor in the player wielding the weapon. Going by your numbers LH1 Light kills Pike Medium in 1.2s, Medium kills Light in 0.9s. Funny how you didn't put that little tidbit of info in your wall of text.

Also, even with the nerf no one can hold 270rpm and remain accurate. LH1 is still a hot mess if you don't pace your shots properly and completely random if you hipfire. From someone who plays both classes, I'm putting a big doubt on the lower recoil.

[super weaner]

Originally posted by Marmelade137:

Ok now factor in the player wielding the weapon. Going by your numbers LH1 Light kills Pike Medium in 1.2s, Medium kills Light in 0.9s. Funny how you didn't put that little tidbit of info in your wall of text.

Also, even with the nerf no one can hold 270rpm and remain accurate. LH1 is still a hot mess if you don't pace your shots properly and completely random if you hipfire. From someone who plays both classes, I'm putting a big doubt on the lower recoil.

Funny how you didnt mention you have 753 hours in the finals, yet only the 150 wins as light achievement, while your medium is at 135 and heavy at 11, which makes it pretty obvious where your priorities lie

"blah blah blah, medium kills light faster than the other way around, funny how you didnt put that tidbit of info"
and you forgot to include light is the only class with personal movement options that require a button press to activate without switching (dash, hook) while allowing to keep shooting, while also having a smaller hitbox,
funny how that works?

[Marmelade137]

Originally posted by super weaner:

Originally posted by Marmelade137:

Ok now factor in the player wielding the weapon. Going by your numbers LH1 Light kills Pike Medium in 1.2s, Medium kills Light in 0.9s. Funny how you didn't put that little tidbit of info in your wall of text.

Also, even with the nerf no one can hold 270rpm and remain accurate. LH1 is still a hot mess if you don't pace your shots properly and completely random if you hipfire. From someone who plays both classes, I'm putting a big doubt on the lower recoil.

Funny how you didnt mention you have 753 hours in the finals, yet only the 150 wins as light achievement, while your medium is at 135 and heavy at 11, which makes it pretty obvious where your priorities lie

"blah blah blah, medium kills light faster than the other way around, funny how you didnt put that tidbit of info"
and you forgot to include light is the only class with personal movement options that require a button press to activate without switching (dash, hook) while allowing to keep shooting, while also having a smaller hitbox,
funny how that works?

You're grasping at straws. I can't have a main? Light suits my personal preferences, big deal. I still played enough Medium to know there is NOTHING to cry about. Tons of utilities, including movement options. All weapons are SOLID.

You're yet another toxic Medium/Heavy main that's salty about being outplayed by people with a 100hp disadvantage. Your arguments do a mediocre job at concealing your wish that Light players be nothing more than some easy defenceless target practice. You probably DC or refuse to help whenever your teamed with Light players.

This otherwise great game is being ruined by people who can't take a loss and blame it on everything and everyone but themselves. We all have bad matches, hitreg issues, bad luck or run out of skill vs certain opponents. Quit crying and try your luck again ; it's that simple.

[Djenzski]

Originally posted by super weaner:

Originally posted by Marmelade137:

Ok now factor in the player wielding the weapon. Going by your numbers LH1 Light kills Pike Medium in 1.2s, Medium kills Light in 0.9s. Funny how you didn't put that little tidbit of info in your wall of text.

Also, even with the nerf no one can hold 270rpm and remain accurate. LH1 is still a hot mess if you don't pace your shots properly and completely random if you hipfire. From someone who plays both classes, I'm putting a big doubt on the lower recoil.

Funny how you didnt mention you have 753 hours in the finals, yet only the 150 wins as light achievement, while your medium is at 135 and heavy at 11, which makes it pretty obvious where your priorities lie

"blah blah blah, medium kills light faster than the other way around, funny how you didnt put that tidbit of info"
and you forgot to include light is the only class with personal movement options that require a button press to activate without switching (dash, hook) while allowing to keep shooting, while also having a smaller hitbox,
funny how that works?

Bro it has no use, theres an army of redditors ready to disagree with anything considering Lights. It really is no use. Better to step back and take a look at how this game evolves (or devolves lol). maybe step in when the game is somewhat playable. If not no time has been wasted. Just let them be, theres no reasoning with these people. save yourself from the hassle and rage I went through. They dont want to understand.

[super weaner]

Originally posted by Djenzski:

Bro it has no use, theres an army of redditors ready to disagree with anything considering Lights. It really is no use. Better to step back and take a look at how this game evolves (or devolves lol). maybe step in when the game is somewhat playable. If not no time has been wasted. Just let them be, theres no reasoning with these people. save yourself from the hassle and rage I went through. They dont want to understand.

Arguing with Ls, it's like training a very dumb pig - you oughta go in and swing your stick at them from time to time, and maybe they will realize that something's wrong, and instead of using a spinal cord, they will use their ganglium to rethink their opinion and/or behaviour. Or maybe not, no big loss - it's just the internet. Not my fault nor loss they can't rub the braincells together, on account of not having enough - only my pity.

[YUG_GEO]

Originally posted by super weaner:

I love how light revisionists try to claim that pike is le OP compared to lh1 when
-lh1 has better RPM (270 vs 200) (and therefore, better DPS, at 207 vs 167)
-better headshot multiplier (2x vs 1.5x)
-lower recoil
-bigger mag (15 vs 12)
-faster reload (2.85s vs 3.25s on empty, 1.95s vs 2.10s on tactical)

The damage "nerf" is a nothing burger, from 48 to 46 damage per shot, it still takes the same amount of bullets to kill with Lh1 for all classes

and if you go for headshots, pike kills a light in 2 shots, so is lh1
lh1 kills a medium in 3, pike in 4 (92x3=276, 75x4=300)
lh1 kills a heavy in 4 shots, pike in 5

tl;dr lightbabs have nerfs to other classes done because lights cry a lot, yet they still want more. hope you all will just leave for TDM mode and dont bother the adults in QC/WT/Ranked

Do you have an up-to-date table of weapon stats?

[super weaner]

Originally posted by YUG_GEO:

Do you have an up-to-date table of weapon stats?

I take them from here https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Main_Page

[super weaner]

Originally posted by Marmelade137:

You're grasping at straws. I can't have a main? Light suits my personal preferences, big deal. I still played enough Medium to know there is NOTHING to cry about. Tons of utilities, including movement options. All weapons are SOLID.

You're yet another toxic Medium/Heavy main that's salty about being outplayed by people with a 100hp disadvantage. Your arguments do a mediocre job at concealing your wish that Light players be nothing more than some easy defenceless target practice. You probably DC or refuse to help whenever your teamed with Light players.

This otherwise great game is being ruined by people who can't take a loss and blame it on everything and everyone but themselves. We all have bad matches, hitreg issues, bad luck or run out of skill vs certain opponents. Quit crying and try your luck again ; it's that simple.

All i hear is you being very mad and drawing a lot of conclusions. "Toxic medium/heavy main (...) You probably DC or refuse to help whenever your teamed with Light players."
Uh, no? I actually have friends to play the game with.

"We all have bad matches, hitreg issues, bad luck or run out of skill vs certain opponents. Quit crying and try your luck again ; it's that simple."

The developers outright say they balance other classes because "muh poor lights"
Here's the proof. [www.reachthefinals.com]

Or how the winch was nerfed to deal 5 damage, so that you cant hit a light with KS-23 (100 damage), quickmelee (40) and winch (was 10, even more before), for a destructive but somewhat difficult combo (everything is a projectile, with slow recharge/rechamber)
Or how revolver deals 74/148 damage so you can't OHK headshot or double bodyshot a light with a slow firing, low mag capacity weapon.

[Marmelade137]

So much projection in this thread. As far as I can tell, light mains aren't making a dozen threads a day complaining about other classes. Never met a light who started to badmouth other players having a bad match. It's always Mediums and Heavies having a fit every time something doesn't go their way, either in-game or in the steam forums.

When I interject with the fact that you have the TTK advantage and a host of powerful abilities of your own it's all "muh smaller hit-box", "muh faster movement". When you run out of arguments, it's immediately "no point to argue with Lights", the most childish response imaginable from someone that's in deep denial.

The only thing broken about Light is the Invis implementation. Otherwise, everything is as balanced as you could expect. I'm sure you could swap load-outs between classes and people like you would still try and argue that you're at a disadvantage. Stay salty, I'm going to continue playing with ALL classes and having a blast doing so.