The new shotgun is decent

[MentalOctopus]

If you think it is bad, you haven't used it enough yet or skill issue. Read the description. 'Deals massive arena damage', it's not a normal shotgun. Treat it like slugs that can break walls in a few shots or pop lights. It does have a bit of range and definitely needs a faster reload or rate rate, but not both.

[Arch1]

its need more faster pump action, that it. to increse his fire rate

[Hyun253]

Originally posted by Arch1:

its need more faster pump action, that it. to increse his fire rate

He is right, KS-23 have ♥♥♥♥ DPS. 120max dmg in close combat... SA1216 is a better choice, no ?

[Seweryn Najemny]

It's still a horrible tool at what it does, and the Heavy already has a Sledgehammer.

Then you add to it that it's hardcountered by the APS and you get a trully horrible user experience.

[SunglassesMcgee]

Massive?
4 Shots to break walls.
Another 4 to break other parts of it, if it has another layer/signs on it.
Massive is an overstatement. Sitting there trying to "slug" 4 shots into a wall...you're standing relatively still shooting a wall....that is not a 'saving grace' to the KS-23.

Every other gun on all three classes can do better damage to just about everything else EXCEPT walls.
Run Charge'n'Slam if you don't want a wall in the way.

We shoot the guns to:
A) Do damage to players
B) Suppress Players
C) Shoot canisters/mines/place-ables
That's it.

The KS-23 is lack-luster in A & B, great in C...if the bloom doesn't make your shot go nowhere near the crosshair.

Giving it "Irons" as a RMB, and reducing the bloom slightly, /may/ help it be comparable to the other weapons, and not at the bottom-of-the-barrel on the Heavy kit.

[ele]

Originally posted by MentalOctopus:

If you think it is bad, you haven't used it enough yet or skill issue. Read the description. 'Deals massive arena damage', it's not a normal shotgun. Treat it like slugs that can break walls in a few shots or pop lights. It does have a bit of range and definitely needs a faster reload or rate rate, but not both.

It's absolutely useless haha.

[CrysisPoRusski]

This is not a shotgun, it's more like small-caliber artillery :)

[76561199603063723]

I used it once, no plan to use it again lol

[Ozymandias]

It needs actual ads, substantially better accuracy for both hipfire and ads, better structural damage and like 5 extra player damage.

[Hybernian]

No, it sucks. 1887 is way better.

[Vanta]

I think the problem is it takes too many shots to destroy walls. It should be two, not four.

[Vanta]

It also seriously needs a bigger headshot bonus, a medium should not tank two point blank headshots.

[Arch1]

Originally posted by Phoenix Forever:

It also seriously needs a bigger headshot bonus, a medium should not tank two point blank headshots.

shotguns don't have headshot multiplier

[Vanta]

Originally posted by Arch1:

Originally posted by Phoenix Forever:

It also seriously needs a bigger headshot bonus, a medium should not tank two point blank headshots.

shotguns don't have headshot multiplier

It shoots slugs instead of buckshot. I feel like that's worthy of giving it a headshot multipiler. Especially since it has projectile travel time, has a cripplingly slow fire rate, only 6 shots and no real ADS

[Arch1]

this shotgun need only one thing, and its firerate, its dont need headshot multiplier because its already make big damage, 6 shots is enough to kill everyone on distance of 30+ meters
ads is like revolver, make fipfire, no ads, if you want be more accurate - crouch, its work with revolver and also with ks23
4 shots is enough to destroy wall
for me that shotgun is perfect only problem with firerate, need a little bit more faster, thats it
compared to others new weapons, that shotgun is better 100%

[Dhomochevsky]

Originally posted by MentalOctopus:

If you think it is bad, you haven't used it enough yet or skill issue. Read the description. 'Deals massive arena damage', it's not a normal shotgun. Treat it like slugs that can break walls in a few shots or pop lights. It does have a bit of range and definitely needs a faster reload or rate rate, but not both.

i like have something with accuaracy for heavy but i wish that fire rate was higher or that it deal more damage. we are talking about slugs