Terrible players every day in team, why ?

[Gabriel-UFO]

Why does the game permanently make me play with terrible players? Not only do I lose the match because of them, but they also ruin my game stats. These people are terrible! I'm talking about level 70+ players with 5,000 kills, even one at level 74 with 3,400 kills. This is starting to irritate me. I'm not on the same level as them, it makes no sense that I have to play with them. These people are terrible, with terrible stats and terrible teamwork. I don’t want to play with them!

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[11.11.11]

You're not alone.


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Because those are the people the matchmaker has assigned you.

If you are even moderately skilled at the game (and not cheating) it will always be quicker to get you into a match with two lesser competent players. The game has a tiny playerbase (avg 6000-12000 on Steam).

At least 20-30% of the playerbase cheats and this inflates the topend of the ELO curve. For the purposes of "how do I get skilled teammates" this creates a huge artificial gap between the average (legitimate player) and cheaters + skilled players.

The tiny playerbase exasipates issues with desync and latency. Players are often playing inter-region, and being shot through a wall or instakilled in what seems like one hit isn't always a hack. But it also means the teammate that does 2,000dmg and dies 7 times might not be bad - they might just be playing on 235ms against people their shots don't register on.

The end result is that the matchmaker cannot effectively track or compensate for actual player skill, and thus cannot make balanced lobbies at any time other than peak.

If you're playing outside peaktime (globally) and in your matchmaking region - you will have a bad time. If you're playing when there are a majority of cheaters in your region - you will have a bad time (and your teammates will seem incompetent). The matchmaking regions aren't fixed - if there are no lobbies available for your selected gamemode on your region - you WILL get a 230ms match on the other side of the globe.


The only reason to play is if you can enjoy the game casually or......really like the artstyle or something. Approaching it competitively will always end in frustration unless you're in a dedicated squad of 3+ or cheat.

[Marmelade137]

引用自 11.11.11：

The tiny playerbase exasipates issues with desync and latency. Players are often playing inter-region, and being shot through a wall or instakilled in what seems like one hit isn't always a hack. But it also means the teammate that does 2,000dmg and dies 7 times might not be bad - they might just be playing on 235ms against people their shots don't register on.

This. I don't understand people getting all worked up over other players having a bad match. It happens to the best of us. I have matches where I wipe teams and others where I swear I only have 1hp and my gun has no more than 100dmg per mag because of server issues. I have sessions where I'm burn't out from real life but I still want to unwind and have fun even though my aim and reaction times are affected.

You're up there in what can be considered "experienced". If you're not playing with a pre-made, you will inevitably be used to balance out the team aka "carry". Should new and inexperienced players have to face full stacks of sweatlords all by themselves?

[Marmelade137]

Also, your screenshots reveal something noteworthy; your objective score isn't particularly that high. Your team mates actually did better than you on most occasions which leads me to believe they weren't particularly bad, they just died more because they were actually on the objective.

[11.11.11]

引用自 Gabriel-UFO：

I'm talking about level 70+ players with 5,000 kills, even one at level 74 with 3,400 kills. This is starting to irritate me. I'm not on the same level as them, it makes no sense that I have to play with them.

Nevermind I overlooked that OP was complaining that their teammates (who are often close in score and dmg to them) have "too few kills for their level"

I'm a level 75 with just under 3000 kills OP. Look at the screenshots I posted. I'm not bad.

Neither are your teammates in your screenshots.

[Gabriel-UFO]

In reality, with these people, I can’t get any kills, and I die more often because I end up on the objective alone, while these people hide somewhere, not tolerating the combat. This results in me, who is trying, dying more often and getting fewer kills, while those playing with me hide, don’t follow the objectives, and get some random kills, but in no way around the cash box.

[Deathswarrior]

引用自 11.11.11：

Nevermind I overlooked that OP was complaining that their teammates (who are often close in score and dmg to them) have "too few kills for their level"

I'm a level 75 with just under 3000 kills OP. Look at the screenshots I posted. I'm not bad.

Neither are your teammates in your screenshots.

This here ^

My homie I'm not gonna act like bad team mates don't exist but after looking through those screenshots and then trying to see what you are saying is hard when in one of those screenshots in particular, you are objectively the worst in the team.

[Gabriel-UFO]

引用自 Deathswarrior：

引用自 11.11.11：

Nevermind I overlooked that OP was complaining that their teammates (who are often close in score and dmg to them) have "too few kills for their level"

I'm a level 75 with just under 3000 kills OP. Look at the screenshots I posted. I'm not bad.

Neither are your teammates in your screenshots.

This here ^

My homie I'm not gonna act like bad team mates don't exist but after looking through those screenshots and then trying to see what you are saying is hard when in one of those screenshots in particular, you are objectively the worst in the team.

When you play alone against 6 players, in objective are, do you become worst or not ?

[Gabriel-UFO]

引用自 Deathswarrior：

引用自 11.11.11：

My homie I'm not gonna act like bad team mates don't exist but after looking through those screenshots and then trying to see what you are saying is hard when in one of those screenshots in particular, you are objectively the worst in the team.

People over level 70 with 2k kills or 3k, 4k, 5k can't be good players, they are trolls, who don't know what to do and when. Amen, end of story.

Playing with them you can't play well, because you are alone to do the task of the game, and they don't help you, so because you are abandoned alone you can't do the task well and your score goes down.

[Alpacalypse]

Sadly, I am not the most versatile player, whilst I may be highly adept with bow, lh1, Fcar, Famas, the abhorrent scabbard, I cannot wield any differential armaments, therefore, when an array of tasks call for me to use, say, shotguns, my performance becomes nigh inept. Which can play into it quite a lot.

[BoomsticK]

Its not thier fault, the opposing teams are probably hacking. Also some decent players who have recognised this have stopped playing

[Sublime_Voodoo]

引用自 11.11.11：

You're not alone.


The tiny playerbase exasipates issues with desync and latency. Players are often playing inter-region, and being shot through a wall or instakilled in what seems like one hit isn't always a hack. But it also means the teammate that does 2,000dmg and dies 7 times might not be bad - they might just be playing on 235ms against people their shots don't register on.

The end result is that the matchmaker cannot effectively track or compensate for actual player skill, and thus cannot make balanced lobbies at any time other than peak.

If you're playing outside peaktime (globally) and in your matchmaking region - you will have a bad time. If you're playing when there are a majority of cheaters in your region - you will have a bad time (and your teammates will seem incompetent). The matchmaking regions aren't fixed - if there are no lobbies available for your selected gamemode on your region - you WILL get a 230ms match on the other side of the globe.


The only reason to play is if you can enjoy the game casually or......really like the artstyle or something. Approaching it competitively will always end in frustration unless you're in a dedicated squad of 3+ or cheat.

this guy hit the nail on the head in these few comments and OP you say you teammates are not even on the same level as you but there are no real differences between you and your team mates the thing that stands out are your assists and objectives are usually lower which makes me think you are not in the thick of it at times with your teammates, maybe your not as team oriented as you think

this game is unforgiving at times but you know what id play with any of your teammates and be happy stop being so hung up with stats

[Freely]

Small matchmaking pool = Imbalanced teams, at the very least. There's simply not enough players to pool in that cover multiple skill levels, from Bronze to Master (or similar ranking) so, at the very least, in order to make sure queue times do not last forever? You will match with others several tiers below, and this also goes for those who get frustrated for matching against sweaty balls.

There's simply not enough for the matchmaking system, be it SBMM or EOMM to match you what is determined a FAIR MATCH - There's not enough players.

The Finals is well beyond what you could consider approachable, and that doesn't help with retention, either. You either get destroyed, quit playing - Or you carry the team, lose, and get pissed off for losing cause you think the system is rigged against you.

When such an insanely competitive shooter has such a small playerbase? Your best option is just to play with friends, and hope they match your skill level.

Embark need to find a solution to the lack of player retention.

[|Sec9|B0nd3n[ucc]]

引用自 Gabriel-UFO：

引用自 Deathswarrior：

This here ^

My homie I'm not gonna act like bad team mates don't exist but after looking through those screenshots and then trying to see what you are saying is hard when in one of those screenshots in particular, you are objectively the worst in the team.

When you play alone against 6 players, in objective are, do you become worst or not ?

no you cant have worse objective score then your teammates if all you are doing is the objectives, if they have better objectiv scores then you and all you have is kills then all i can say is you are the bad teammate. and why are u alone fighting 6 players.
its good to get kills if they are attacking but if you have nothing or little in objective score in an objective based game then yes you are bad not the otherway around.

[Free backshots]

What's your winrate?

[Tom]

I once had a match with a teammate yelling at us over comms for running away from the box when we got third partied, we were telling him we're backing up to give those teams room to fight eachother and we'll cleanup whoever goes for the cashout because we got demats and could get there fast. Later that match he was bragging about having more kills than us and tbagged our statues getting himself killed because enemies body camp making it a teamwipe, wont say he costed us the match because we were playing poorly but he certainly was not helping. OP blaming his teammates for poor performance sounds like hes got a similar mentality to that guy.