The rage quiting in this game is insane.

[aersla]

I don't know how to post a screenshot but I joined an on going game and people kept just either disconnecting or quiting. There should be some sort of penalty for quiters, it doesn't need to be huge but just enough so people don't constantly quit.

[VouZ_nel]

I quit playing this game in April due to 3 major issues:
1. Performance getting consistently worse every week (we went from stable 110+ fps to unstable 70, it's borderline unplayable now)
2. Horrible balancing (LMGs feel like ♥♥♥♥, while SMGs annihilate you in nanoseconds)
3. At least 2 people quitting literally every single game that I joined

Not a single one of these issues has been addressed lmao

[Pale Horse]

I report every single player that quits any match other than a quick cash/power/cashout.

In game : Esc key -> Social -> Select "OTHER"
Report the one that leaves and write it up that "they rage quit a ranked match and left the team without support or the ability to complete the objectives"

Who wants to play a game where people just quit everything all of the time? It ruins the game.

If you do this every time, reporting them, these guys will get bans. if you are lazy and do not report them, they will keep jumping out of games and joining a fresh match. It burns me up that they can quit, reload the game, and get the option to quit the current match and start a new one. Embark, force them to rejoin the current match or ban!!!

Embark needs to make sure the reporting system is working better than it is.

I am not seeing enough messages that Embark is taking action. Every time I log in to play ranked Global or TA, this is a problem and it has to be punished. FULL STOP.

[Aurelius]

I don't have a solution, but I don't think the devs do either. Your reports against people who clicked TA on the main menu and then left after they loaded in aren't going anywhere but into the devs trashcan. I'm not saying this to be mean, but kind of as a reality check.

The playerbase isn't large enough that they can ban people who accidentally queued the wrong mode or quit when they were dying too much. It's not that successful of a product that the numbers let that happen.

The devs clearly made a decision to push the interests of the game in a competitive direction with ranked TA and putting TA front and center in the main menu. It doesn't seem like this direction of the game gained it more players or attracted that audience.

I'm certain the devs already know this, but they are working on the next season two months out instead of reworking something that won't exist in it's current state and are just working ahead of everyones complaints.

If you introduced lockout timers for going AFK I think we can all agree it would be a mistake in the longrun. You aren't going to get someone to play your game again by penalizing them for getting a water as the game was starting etc. The Finals needs to grow players to have a longterm future, not shed them.

[Pale Horse]

Originally posted by Aurelius:

I don't have a solution, but I don't think the devs do either. Your reports against people who clicked TA on the main menu and then left after they loaded in aren't going anywhere but into the devs trashcan. I'm not saying this to be mean, but kind of as a reality check.

If you introduced lockout timers for going AFK I think we can all agree it would be a mistake in the longrun. You aren't going to get someone to play your game again by penalizing them for getting a water as the game was starting etc. The Finals needs to grow players to have a longterm future, not shed them.

First of all, I have seen report messages upon logging in that they took action against players I have reported. However, my report alone does not trigger the action. If more than one person reports the offending jerk, then whatever system they built will trigger and put a ban on that player. But, as I said, if people are lazy and do not report, then the matter goes unresolved and we all end up suffering.

Second, regarding the player base, it would probably help the game A LOT if they do ban for that behaviour. People will respect the game more and feel like continuing to play.

Lastly, AFK timers work in other well established games like LoL and DOTA. There's one in this game too. I've been caught out once myself, but the reality is, if a player clicks "match search", they need to be in their chair and ready. (I actually really hate TA ranked because of the length of the matches when needing drink/bathroom) Maybe reduce the penalty if the player comes back, but if the team looses a guy in TA, they are at 80% strength, which is ridiculous. Most of the time, someone gets angry after a round or two and rage quits. I have also seen a match canceled once, by automation, for someone quitting. However, the programming seems to need more work and it needs to focus on people who kill the app in their task manager because they are being pissy and want to reload to join a different match.

[Myztkl©-Kev]

its not as bad as it used to be in season 1 and there also is the loading screen bug which causes people to quit the game as soon as it starts (or they crash), so if you see people do that, it's probably not their fault. That being said I play with/against this one guy every once in a while who is a habitual leaver, tea bags me when he kills me (because he recognises my name) but then quits when I or someone else kill him, but funny enough whenever he is on my team he usually plays the full match, and sticks close the whole game (probably because he knows his chances of winning are higher). I'm usually on discord with my friends when im playing games and I'm always like "oh it's this guy, who wants to take bets on him quitting the match" because its that frequent

[Aurelius]

I'm with you in the spirit and idea of it, I'm just not sure it works for this game. I've played over 10k hours of dota, it's not comparable in a lot of ways. The matches can be an hour long, 300K concurrent players across a decade, the drafting and lane assignments are very impactful on if your character is even considered playable.

You go queue quick-cash and you could be in a match in progress where you do take the spot of the person afk at start, it barely affects the team and your experience, everyone has fun. If that didn't exist and we had no fill-ins (like league and dota), this is the part I think we can agree on, it would be less fun to be anyone in that game. It's not thrilling to win because the enemy isn't able to fight back. Otherwise it's just a borderline power fantasy playing out, not something with competitive spirit. I wouldn't want to win that way myself; it's not satisfying.

So if you instead queue into a leavers spot with $10K scored on the other two teams and $0 on yours, you see your teammates splitting and you can't carry it back. Should you leave to respect your own time? Should you be penalized for leaving? In these kinds of games I usually find people who don't look like they know what is going on. Whether it's a child, someone just picking up M+KB and getting cooked, they're drunk, idk. Sometimes someone is just griefing the team and running around the edges of the map shooting off barrels into things. I can't remember if the game forces any kind of tutorial on you, but I've had to teach friends how to to the gravity gun shenanigans, players are trying to find a corner to hurl your revive statues into because they don't know how to drop it.

Sometimes I get the afk at the start myself because the queue times vary and I decided to go get a drink a few rooms away at the wrong time and come back too late.

I just believe the playerbase might be more fragile in this case than you think. It seems like a devoted one, but maybe the new player experience needs an overhaul. Overall it feels like Embark chose to lean towards a competitive scene and buffed up the light class to do flashy plays, but now they are stuck in a rock and a hard place of making all these light players mad that their class is going to get cut at the knees if they change anything, yet something probably needs to give.

[Myztkl©-Kev]

Originally posted by VouZ_nel:

I quit playing this game in April due to 3 major issues:
1. Performance getting consistently worse every week (we went from stable 110+ fps to unstable 70, it's borderline unplayable now)

this is a little off topic, but I keep hearing people say this but performance has not changed in the game for me even a little bit (and I've been playing since alpha, which ran slightly better because monaco wasn't finished yet), in fact it got better over time because when this game first came out my CPU was thermal throttling. I cleaned my case and my rad and turned off a bios feature that was over-boosting my CPU and that dropped the max temps down enough that it wasn't hitting 100 degrees anymore, then I got a new case with better airflow and my temps are another 10-15 degrees cooler now and im able to run kyoto at 150+ fps now when I used to get like 110-115 at most while other maps ran around 130-140 and syshorizon hit my frame cap at 165 since it has no detail. Now all maps run over 150fps and I see my frame cap way more. UE5 games seem to be hard on CPU's check your cooling.

[Pale Horse]

That’s a very thoughtful response and I appreciate you typing all of that out. I’m too tired to fully respond, but a question has occurred to me:

In pay-to-play games, does the (example) $40 cost barrier weed out more, or even most, of the immature, undesirable types? Or is it virtually the same? I’m not looking for pure pro-player atmosphere, because I’m not a pro. I just want teammates that understand team play, how to coordinate, and who show reasonable concern for completing game objectives. Some of these players seem like 8 year olds that stumbled into a free game.

At the same time, I wonder if a paid game might have better architecture for weeding out bad sportsmanship behaviors, like rage quitting. Some of you must have a broad enough game library to shed some light on this.

[Dhomochevsky]

Originally posted by aersla:

I don't know how to post a screenshot but I joined an on going game and people kept just either disconnecting or quiting. There should be some sort of penalty for quiters, it doesn't need to be huge but just enough so people don't constantly quit.

my client crashes sometimes, i dont even quit, even when team is bad, because if i quit im also adding a "loss" to my account so if im gonna lose i stay and actually lose. but i will not like getting a penalty for something i didnt do on porpouse. just the other day i got into a match and when match was on loading screen client crashed so i relauched game but steam downloaded a some files dunno why i didnt had an update on the list or anything, i get into the game and i cant join ranked because "i quited"

[Pale Horse]

Originally posted by Dhomochevsky:

Originally posted by aersla:

I don't know how to post a screenshot but I joined an on going game and people kept just either disconnecting or quiting. There should be some sort of penalty for quiters, it doesn't need to be huge but just enough so people don't constantly quit.

my client crashes sometimes, i dont even quit, even when team is bad, because if i quit im also adding a "loss" to my account so if im gonna lose i stay and actually lose. but i will not like getting a penalty for something i didnt do on porpouse. just the other day i got into a match and when match was on loading screen client crashed so i relauched game but steam downloaded a some files dunno why i didnt had an update on the list or anything, i get into the game and i cant join ranked because "i quited"

If that’s the case, the game SHOULD allow you to rejoin a ranked match with the same team. It holds your place. No other players can fill the empty spot. Rejoining would make sense and make everyone happy.

Furthermore, if Embark is preventing people from rejoining a ranked match, then they should stop that immediately. It didn’t occur to me that I should be angry with Embark for blocking players from coming back.

[Aurelius]

Dota does something where if you queue for a game it then asks you to hit the accept button for the match.

If you accepted the game and things happen after, you get a mark against you that can put your in a "low priority" queue with other people; a punishment cage where you stay until you win X games to get out.

If you don't accept or 30 sec goes by, you are prevented from queueing for 3 min then it remembers these decisions for 24hrs. So if you do it again later, the timeout for hitting start queue becomes 15 min, then 30 min, then an hour. Keep in mind, sometimes the queues themselves can be longer than 10 minutes. Depends on behavior score, MMR, etc. (And keep in mind these punishments are because the queues are 3-7 min for specific skill ranged and the timeout correlates with how long games themselves can be, 9 other players are losing X amount of minutes when this happens)

I could see a similar system with way smaller timeouts with tighter intervals. Like 30 sec lockout, then 1 min, 1min 30, etc. If you are getting above a minute or people will start to wonder what else they could do during that time and never come back or just decide to play something else.

The worst possible outcome is people stop playing the game and games become more empty. I absolutely do see people ragequitting at the end of quickcash games, because that's what I play the most. A lot of people on PC with really bad stats like 1-0-7 who leave during the slow-mo winner announcement and never get their XP for staying another 5-10 seconds. If people got queue timers for quitting it wouldn't be the end of the world, but sometimes game quality can be really dubious.

I play revolver fairly decently and I know when I can't carry vs a team that plays tight and sometimes I just get these double console light players for teammates who are nowhere near the objective the whole match. I'll admit I leave these players sometimes. Has to be pretty bad or happen in multiple games in a row, because I like a challenge. Maybe I should disable crossplay? Never tried to.

[THEVISITOR]

I would like to mention that a small percentage of said quitters are doing so due to the infinite loading screen glitch that has been in the game for a while. these players typically leave within the first 30 seconds of the match. this has happened to me twice, though i do tell them in chat. it is currently unfixable, although on non ranked its sometimes works if you just rejoin. that's my grain of salt, although the majority are just ragequitting

[Myztkl©-Kev]

Originally posted by THEVISITOR:

I would like to mention that a small percentage of said quitters are doing so due to the infinite loading screen glitch that has been in the game for a while. these players typically leave within the first 30 seconds of the match. this has happened to me twice, though i do tell them in chat. it is currently unfixable, although on non ranked its sometimes works if you just rejoin. that's my grain of salt, although the majority are just ragequitting

you can't warn people in chat anymore when this happens, the chat just doesn't open. When they "fixed" one occurrence of this happening, it made the issue overall worse lol.

[aersla]

For everyone wondering the punishment doesn't need to be anything crazy even something as simple as a 5 minute penalty would suffice. I used to play another game with a pretty small player base called For Honor, there was like a 15 minute penalty for quitters. And I could be wrong maybe they aren't rage quitting maybe it's an issue with the servers, but it happens every single game. Nevermind the other issues the game has. I really like the finals and it's a shame it never reached the heights I thought it would, but there's still time.

[tythespy]

There are moments when quitting a frustrating match is preferable to letting it get to you. Some players may lack skill and keep dying, while others might not cooperate or contribute to the objective, impacting the team's performance. Additionally, facing trolls or toxic players can be draining. In these cases, going AFK or quitting might be the best course of action.