ABOUT THE MODEL 1887

[HotSauce]

This weapon's hipfire needs to be fixed. The weapon's hipfire is very effective for the damage it deals. And this weapon is a "rifle". It shouldn't be able to shoot so accurately without aiming with the right click.

[Ya Mada]

Either nerf that or up the lh1 cuz that feels Terrible xd.

Btw hi! Im also here to generally say I Hate you! I wasn't good in the beginning and I even remember you since season 1 and you ripped my ass into pieces yet I'm pretty thankful I enhanced looking at you, not only you but you get it your name is one of the few I remember instantly

[Freetato#]

NO

[HotSauce]

Originally posted by Pls Stay with me:

Either nerf that or up the lh1 cuz that feels Terrible xd.

Btw hi! Im also here to generally say I Hate you! I wasn't good in the beginning and I even remember you since season 1 and you ripped my ass into pieces yet I'm pretty thankful I enhanced looking at you, not only you but you get it your name is one of the few I remember instantly

Hello my friend, thank you very much for your compliments. I hope you have become a much better player than me now! When we meet in the game, add me to your friends list, let's play together. See you!

[[AlphA]PhilFree]

man, they ruined all the others medium class weapons yet...
we really need to ruin the last one?

[Polar Test 53]

its a shotgun that shoots nearly like a rifle. and all shotguns have the same ads spread as hipfiring.

Originally posted by AlphAPhilFree:

man, they ruined all the others medium class weapons yet...
we really need to ruin the last one?

and this. ngl every weapon feels like crap to use i dont use the shotgun but the revolver instead. pretty much the same thing tbh.

[Aurelius]

To what end? In other words, to accomplish what? Just outrange it if you are the light class, or utilize dodge. It can't headshot you, so if you reduce the accuracy of the shots you can survive the damage. Play off of cover peaks of uneven cover so you aren't exposing yourself as much. Again, no headshot bonus for peeking vs them.

Get a taser off and dash around, by the time a medium has to reload they are dead vs pressure in this meta vs multiple lights in a 3 different team kind of fight. Standing out in the open from 10-40 feet and getting hit twice with two clean shots is how you die as a light to it.

1887 weakness is the time between shots. Play with it yourself a bit and get a feel for the cadence they come out at. You can absolutely squeeze damage in and dash away at the right time by anticipation, lights do it to me all the time.

It's honestly the only medium weapon that is going to be reliable at close range vs lights, I don't think it's getting nerfs. Pepper the mediums running it and play hit and run if they have good aim and use their attention against them so they can't see something else about to chunk them.

[doofy]

Originally posted by AlphAPhilFree:

man, they ruined all the others medium class weapons yet...
we really need to ruin the last one?

Embark will not sleep until Light class reigns supreme

[Ya Mada]

Originally posted by Aurelius:

To what end? In other words, to accomplish what? Just outrange it if you are the light class, or utilize dodge. It can't headshot you, so if you reduce the accuracy of the shots you can survive the damage. Play off of cover peaks of uneven cover so you aren't exposing yourself as much. Again, no headshot bonus for peeking vs them.

Get a taser off and dash around, by the time a medium has to reload they are dead vs pressure in this meta vs multiple lights in a 3 different team kind of fight. Standing out in the open from 10-40 feet and getting hit twice with two clean shots is how you die as a light to it.

1887 weakness is the time between shots. Play with it yourself a bit and get a feel for the cadence they come out at. You can absolutely squeeze damage in and dash away at the right time by anticipation, lights do it to me all the time.

It's honestly the only medium weapon that is going to be reliable at close range vs lights, I don't think it's getting nerfs. Pepper the mediums running it and play hit and run if they have good aim and use their attention against them so they can't see something else about to chunk them.

I can't outrange it as a light unless I play the lh1 or sniper 40 feet as a shotgun is insane the others have like 10 feet maximum before half of the pellets ain't hitting,

I don't know why the model 1887 should hit more then 3 times as far as the sh1900 which isn't hitting all pellets sometimes unless you are kissing your foe.

OMG you have a RPM? so you can't just shoot as fast as you touch the trigger? Well big guy any weapon ever has something to pay attention to be it recoil, rpm, reload, distance, a weird hip fire or what ever honestly after I read all you wrote I didn't notice one argument which would change my mind

[Aurelius]

Originally posted by Pls Stay with me:

Originally posted by Aurelius:

To what end? In other words, to accomplish what? Just outrange it if you are the light class, or utilize dodge. It can't headshot you, so if you reduce the accuracy of the shots you can survive the damage. Play off of cover peaks of uneven cover so you aren't exposing yourself as much. Again, no headshot bonus for peeking vs them.

Get a taser off and dash around, by the time a medium has to reload they are dead vs pressure in this meta vs multiple lights in a 3 different team kind of fight. Standing out in the open from 10-40 feet and getting hit twice with two clean shots is how you die as a light to it.

1887 weakness is the time between shots. Play with it yourself a bit and get a feel for the cadence they come out at. You can absolutely squeeze damage in and dash away at the right time by anticipation, lights do it to me all the time.

It's honestly the only medium weapon that is going to be reliable at close range vs lights, I don't think it's getting nerfs. Pepper the mediums running it and play hit and run if they have good aim and use their attention against them so they can't see something else about to chunk them.

I can't outrange it as a light unless I play the lh1 or sniper 40 feet as a shotgun is insane the others have like 10 feet maximum before half of the pellets ain't hitting,

I don't know why the model 1887 should hit more then 3 times as far as the sh1900 which isn't hitting all pellets sometimes unless you are kissing your foe.

OMG you have a RPM? so you can't just shoot as fast as you touch the trigger? Well big guy any weapon ever has something to pay attention to be it recoil, rpm, reload, distance, a weird hip fire or what ever honestly after I read all you wrote I didn't notice one argument which would change my mind

The XP and throwing knives can absolutely outrange it.

[Aurelius]

Originally posted by Aurelius:

Originally posted by Pls Stay with me:

I can't outrange it as a light unless I play the lh1 or sniper 40 feet as a shotgun is insane the others have like 10 feet maximum before half of the pellets ain't hitting,

I don't know why the model 1887 should hit more then 3 times as far as the sh1900 which isn't hitting all pellets sometimes unless you are kissing your foe.

OMG you have a RPM? so you can't just shoot as fast as you touch the trigger? Well big guy any weapon ever has something to pay attention to be it recoil, rpm, reload, distance, a weird hip fire or what ever honestly after I read all you wrote I didn't notice one argument which would change my mind

The XP and throwing knives can absolutely outrange it.

I also don't know why a .357 revolver tickles a sniper from 100m, but you have the bow, two pistols, a carbine, the sniper and you are claiming it can't be out ranged. Go use the 1887 in practice mode and watch the dmg falloff happen over distance or inaccuracy. Delulu talk you can't outrange it, you have the best ranged options in the game on light class.

[DARK_REAPER_96]

Hi HotSauce. You are kinda right about this. The gun does do less damage if only a few pellets hits the target. I personally think hip fire across all guns are suspiciously accurate. The issue is if hip fire gets nerfed, then a lot of the casual audience who spray and pray will just dash to a new game.

[Dhomochevsky]

Originally posted by HotSauce:

This weapon's hipfire needs to be fixed. The weapon's hipfire is very effective for the damage it deals. And this weapon is a "rifle". It shouldn't be able to shoot so accurately without aiming with the right click.

do you know how shotguns works right?

[Ya Mada]

Originally posted by Aurelius:

Originally posted by Pls Stay with me:

I can't outrange it as a light unless I play the lh1 or sniper 40 feet as a shotgun is insane the others have like 10 feet maximum before half of the pellets ain't hitting,

I don't know why the model 1887 should hit more then 3 times as far as the sh1900 which isn't hitting all pellets sometimes unless you are kissing your foe.

OMG you have a RPM? so you can't just shoot as fast as you touch the trigger? Well big guy any weapon ever has something to pay attention to be it recoil, rpm, reload, distance, a weird hip fire or what ever honestly after I read all you wrote I didn't notice one argument which would change my mind

The XP and throwing knives can absolutely outrange it.

You didn't just freaking say that xd from all the weapons light has you picket those 2? Whew you know nothing

[HotSauce]

Originally posted by DARK_REAPER_96:

Hi HotSauce. You are kinda right about this. The gun does do less damage if only a few pellets hits the target. I personally think hip fire across all guns are suspiciously accurate. The issue is if hip fire gets nerfed, then a lot of the casual audience who spray and pray will just dash to a new game.

hello friend. or should i say enemy? lol. i hate playing against you the most. 3-4 days ago in a game we played, the whole team was using model 1887. and i could barely do anything. we were on the seoul map. you fired 2 shots very quickly against me and killed me. the time between 2 shots was much shorter than it should have been. i don't know how you did it. but it was impressive lol.

to be honest, i think most weapons' hipfire is sufficient. most of them don't fire very accurately. but this weapon seems to have an imbalance. moreover, it doesn't suffer any accuracy penalty while moving. it has very accurate shots while falling or jumping. it seems unbalanced for a rifle to hit so accurately without aiming. for example, in xp-54, even if you aim with right click while in the air or sliding, your shots never go accurately.

i don't know if they will balance this weapon in the future, but i think it needs a little touch up.

[HotSauce]

Also, a reload mechanic should be added to TK. There should be a reload mechanic after throwing maybe 6, maybe 8 knives. Its current state is both unrealistic and op.