What is the point of Heavy class

[El--Lobo]

Isnt heavy for heavy weapons the trade off being slow speed but heavy weapons pack more punch/damage but they dont they are ♥♥♥♥♥

[BAHAAMOT]

killer class in ranked mode

[-InertIA- ¯\ (ツ) /¯]

Originally posted by Jacque Coolette:

lol this is a crazy take. Heavy is meta man watch any high ELO team comp.

There is a HUGE skill gap between those who play "The Finals" how it was meant to be played : replicating a competitive e-sport tournament with the commentators hyping you up and elimination rounds...

... and casual quick-players who just play Bank It or some other alternative mode.

If anyone complains about Heavy being too weak or Light being OP, then their understanding of the game and the meta is flawed. That's about it lol

[PILLZ]

Add me let's play please
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[Eevee Boy Ben]

High health and structure destruction/ defense with their powers, weapons and shields respectively.

[ProM1x]

Yes

[Ya Mada]

Originally posted by Kyral:

Originally posted by Sacko:

yeah im not complaining, but in CASUAL play, lights are more than definetly OP.
Of course in mid-high ranked this is gonna change, since people can actually aim and then the lower TTK doesnt affect them that much since they can aim at lights way better than casual players can (not to forget this game is crossplay and when you play low-sense controller you are pretty much f*cked against lights)

lights are OP because they are overused and embark tweaked the class to make it cancer, the small hitbox + dash spam is incredibly cancer and allows lights to win duels with zero skill involved.

cloak despite the nerfs is still too strong, too hard to see especially with FSR cause it creates
ghosting which makes cloaked lights even harder to see, instead embark should take a look at titanfall 2's cloaking which is much more fair and balanced, and doesn't create any ghosting.

snipers are just pure terminal cancer, they ruin the entire power shift mode, sniper rifles shouldn't have any optical sights in this game to prevents lights camping 200m away from the objective.

sword + dash is broken and unfair to play against, especially for Mediums.

Light should be made slower, larger, with more health and less dmg, making it a bit closer to medium.

in ranked, everything revolves around tactics and teamplay, in casual it's all about speed because everyone picks light, since you have unlimited tokens in casual matches.

solutions :
- limit the amount of lights per game mode (except for premade groups), in power shift 2 lights per team max, in other modes, one light per team max
- remove the optical sight from the sniper rifle, force lights to play near their enemies instead of camping
- increase their size & health, decrease their speed & dps
- rework cloak, make it more visible but also make it last longer in return
- rework dash, it should be an evading utility, not a free duel spam button
- show a marker for players in premade groups on the scoreboard

That's quite a lot you asking for even if I agree with some points

[Riantpool]

Originally posted by -InertIA- ¯\ (ツ) /¯:

Originally posted by Jacque Coolette:

lol this is a crazy take. Heavy is meta man watch any high ELO team comp.

There is a HUGE skill gap between those who play "The Finals" how it was meant to be played : replicating a competitive e-sport tournament with the commentators hyping you up and elimination rounds...

... and casual quick-players who just play Bank It or some other alternative mode.

If anyone complains about Heavy being too weak or Light being OP, then their understanding of the game and the meta is flawed. That's about it lol

Literally dead on with that. people suggest hundreds of changes to things that can easily be countered.
Like snipers in power shift
play heavy
build wall
voila they cant hit you any more
bonus point get your own light with a smg to hunt them down

[SteveZee]

Doesnt matter. This game is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ as lights are the most OP thing in the game which is why so many people use lights. Couple that w/ the rampant cheating/exploiting thats literally in every match i play, the game has gone to the rats anyways.

NOT EVEN ON THE TOP 100 steam played games anymore, so its pretty much taking a dive every week. Give it another month and no one will care anymore. Too bad too because at its core its very fun to play. Devs just cant seem to understand how to balance it.

[SteveZee]

Originally posted by UnkinderHat:

Originally posted by -InertIA- ¯\ (ツ) /¯:

There is a HUGE skill gap between those who play "The Finals" how it was meant to be played : replicating a competitive e-sport tournament with the commentators hyping you up and elimination rounds...

... and casual quick-players who just play Bank It or some other alternative mode.

If anyone complains about Heavy being too weak or Light being OP, then their understanding of the game and the meta is flawed. That's about it lol

Literally dead on with that. people suggest hundreds of changes to things that can easily be countered.
Like snipers in power shift
play heavy
build wall
voila they cant hit you any more
bonus point get your own light with a smg to hunt them down

So thats also the problem. Meta game play that people dont wanna do. This is why the game is failing. LOL most people cheat in this game. Its the diseased "esports" mentality is why games suck so bad to begin with. Games become metad and then they become too boring to even try to play.

Meta is just another excuse for people who just spend their time trying to get the easiest way to win and then cry when people want it balanced.

[-InertIA- ¯\ (ツ) /¯]

Originally posted by SteveZee:

Originally posted by UnkinderHat:

Literally dead on with that. people suggest hundreds of changes to things that can easily be countered.
Like snipers in power shift
play heavy
build wall
voila they cant hit you any more
bonus point get your own light with a smg to hunt them down

So thats also the problem. Meta game play that people dont wanna do. This is why the game is failing. LOL most people cheat in this game. Its the diseased "esports" mentality is why games suck so bad to begin with. Games become metad and then they become too boring to even try to play.

Meta is just another excuse for people who just spend their time trying to get the easiest way to win and then cry when people want it balanced.

Humans are hard-wired to find the path of least effort to a reward. Metas evolve naturally in every. single. game. out. there. Chess ? Tons of meta plays. Specially when people become competitive and the goal becomes to win instead of simply "having fun". Then again, you will find competitive players even in stuff like Animal Crossing lol, there will always be people trying to find exploits and the easiest possible route to end-game (speed-runners and such)

There's tons of games out there with a counter system that are very successful. League of Legends being a good example, some heroes are straight up designed to counter other heroes.

It's the goal of the devs to keep buffing ignored parts of the game to divert the meta to other things, and that's how it evolves without becoming toxic (like massive nerfs all the time is not a good thing in any game, except for Nukes, f*ck nukes)

You say "Lights are the most OP thing in the game" but I got hard carried in a Gold rank game yesterday, I was literally the ONLY light player for the 3 rounds. This is not an exceptional event, Lights get absolutely demolished by any medium with good aim or a heavy with a rocket launcher. All they have to do is sit wait and listen for sound cues, then higher HP pool wins 2 out of 3 times against a slight damage disadvantage. The best target for a Light is another Light, which is why I've decided to only play Bank It from now on (where everyone skilled and sweaty goes to enjoy the game)

[Ya Mada]

Originally posted by SteveZee:

Doesnt matter. This game is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ as lights are the most OP thing in the game which is why so many people use lights. Couple that w/ the rampant cheating/exploiting thats literally in every match i play, the game has gone to the rats anyways.

NOT EVEN ON THE TOP 100 steam played games anymore, so its pretty much taking a dive every week. Give it another month and no one will care anymore. Too bad too because at its core its very fun to play. Devs just cant seem to understand how to balance it.

Originally posted by SteveZee:

Doesnt matter. This game is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ as lights are the most OP thing in the game which is why so many people use lights. Couple that w/ the rampant cheating/exploiting thats literally in every match i play, the game has gone to the rats anyways.

NOT EVEN ON THE TOP 100 steam played games anymore, so its pretty much taking a dive every week. Give it another month and no one will care anymore. Too bad too because at its core its very fun to play. Devs just cant seem to understand how to balance it.

And you called me a crybaby on the other thread you are... 🤣

[Ya Mada]

Originally posted by -InertIA- ¯\ (ツ) /¯:

Originally posted by SteveZee:

So thats also the problem. Meta game play that people dont wanna do. This is why the game is failing. LOL most people cheat in this game. Its the diseased "esports" mentality is why games suck so bad to begin with. Games become metad and then they become too boring to even try to play.

Meta is just another excuse for people who just spend their time trying to get the easiest way to win and then cry when people want it balanced.

Humans are hard-wired to find the path of least effort to a reward. Metas evolve naturally in every. single. game. out. there. Chess ? Tons of meta plays. Specially when people become competitive and the goal becomes to win instead of simply "having fun". Then again, you will find competitive players even in stuff like Animal Crossing lol, there will always be people trying to find exploits and the easiest possible route to end-game (speed-runners and such)

There's tons of games out there with a counter system that are very successful. League of Legends being a good example, some heroes are straight up designed to counter other heroes.

It's the goal of the devs to keep buffing ignored parts of the game to divert the meta to other things, and that's how it evolves without becoming toxic (like massive nerfs all the time is not a good thing in any game, except for Nukes, f*ck nukes)

You say "Lights are the most OP thing in the game" but I got hard carried in a Gold rank game yesterday, I was literally the ONLY light player for the 3 rounds. This is not an exceptional event, Lights get absolutely demolished by any medium with good aim or a heavy with a rocket launcher. All they have to do is sit wait and listen for sound cues, then higher HP pool wins 2 out of 3 times against a slight damage disadvantage. The best target for a Light is another Light, which is why I've decided to only play Bank It from now on (where everyone skilled and sweaty goes to enjoy the game)

I'm honestly proud to see a comment full of sense on the steam threads that's rare im glad you playing the finals brother

[ele]

More HP. Heavy has always been amazing for this reason.

[Neo Scopes]

pretty sure the LMG now has faster TTK than Fcar after the multiple nerfs