Discussion about Aim assist

[Ya Mada]

So I've noticed that the finals nerfing politics is a bit harsh and back in the days when aa was nerfed I thought 🤔 that's way to much for a nerf tried it and it felt like none existend a lot of casual ppl thought that way but all m&kb users were happy about it for 12h before blaming on the next thing why they getting killed, honestly I don't care if it stays as it is now cuz I'm very used to controller play but I would like to ask if anything on that opinion changed

[Ishmael]

Simple. Aim assist is a crutch. No other way to put it. If it is allowed in a game then it should put people in lobbies specifically for that option.

[Meowser has not]

Originally posted by Ishmael:

Simple. Aim assist is a crutch. No other way to put it. If it is allowed in a game then it should put people in lobbies specifically for that option.

aim assist exists because a mouse is like 600% easier to aim with

[Gashlycrumb]

Originally posted by Meowser:

Originally posted by Ishmael:

Simple. Aim assist is a crutch. No other way to put it. If it is allowed in a game then it should put people in lobbies specifically for that option.

aim assist exists because a mouse is like 600% easier to aim with

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ lol. Mouse and keyboard require practice, hand-eye coordination and some degree of skill. Your average M&KB player can barely aim worth a damn. It's a skill. Skills require PRACTICE (scary I know). SOME mouse and keyboard players are very good at aiming. You should not feel entitled to their same level or degree of skill just because you bought a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ play station.

Allowing an ENTIRE generation to aimbot to make up for that perceived "advantage" while simultaneously and very VERY disingenuously ignoring that MOVEMENT is significantly easier on controller and and that movement plays a MASSIVE part in multiplayer shooters is the biggest crock of ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ I'm still forced to hear dribble out of modern "gamers" mouths lol

You can use well practiced hand-eye coordination to aim well, so I should have the ability to bounce around you like a ♥♥♥♥♥ up chihuahua while simultaneously popping ENDLESS free head shots because...baaaaalllllaaaance? LOL

If you wondered what happens when you let an entire generation of entitled little asswipes grow up staring at an iPad, and wonder why they can't "win all the things" just by tapping a button, you now have your answer.

And for the record, no; mouse and keyboard is NOT 600% easier to aim with than a controller, because there is LITERALLY nothing "easier" than the game aiming FOR you. If you're too lame to practice your aiming and get better, you don't deserve to win 90% of your matches. That's what Fortnite, Apex and Overwatch are for. They don't care about balance or skill either. They just want your money.

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Originally posted by Pls Stay with me:

So I've noticed that the finals nerfing politics is a bit harsh and back in the days when aa was nerfed I thought 🤔 that's way to much for a nerf tried it and it felt like none existend a lot of casual ppl thought that way but all m&kb users were happy about it for 12h before blaming on the next thing why they getting killed, honestly I don't care if it stays as it is now cuz I'm very used to controller play but I would like to ask if anything on that opinion changed

the problem isnt only with aim assist its also with the things ppl go through just to get it they use programs and ♥♥♥♥ to trick the game to think you are on controller but you use m kb and then u have aim assist on m kb.

[Meowser has not]

Originally posted by Gashlycrumb:

Originally posted by Meowser:

aim assist exists because a mouse is like 600% easier to aim with

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ lol. Mouse and keyboard require practice, hand-eye coordination and some degree of skill. Your average M&KB player can barely aim worth a damn. It's a skill. Skills require PRACTICE (scary I know). SOME mouse and keyboard players are very good at aiming. You should not feel entitled to their same level or degree of skill just because you bought a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ play station.

Allowing an ENTIRE generation to aimbot to make up for that perceived "advantage" while simultaneously and very VERY disingenuously ignoring that MOVEMENT is significantly easier on controller and and that movement plays a MASSIVE part in multiplayer shooters is the biggest crock of ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ I'm still forced to hear dribble out of modern "gamers" mouths lol

You can use well practiced hand-eye coordination to aim well, so I should have the ability to bounce around you like a ♥♥♥♥♥ up chihuahua while simultaneously popping ENDLESS free head shots because...baaaaalllllaaaance? LOL

If you wondered what happens when you let an entire generation of entitled little asswipes grow up staring at an iPad, and wonder why they can't "win all the things" just by tapping a button, you now have your answer.

And for the record, no; mouse and keyboard is NOT 600% easier to aim with than a controller, because there is LITERALLY nothing "easier" than the game aiming FOR you. If you're too lame to practice your aiming and get better, you don't deserve to win 90% of your matches. That's what Fortnite, Apex and Overwatch are for. They don't care about balance or skill either. They just want your money.

Im mouse user tldr aiming is easier on mouse no contest

[Ya Mada]

Originally posted by Gashlycrumb:

Originally posted by Meowser:

aim assist exists because a mouse is like 600% easier to aim with

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ lol. Mouse and keyboard require practice, hand-eye coordination and some degree of skill. Your average M&KB player can barely aim worth a damn. It's a skill. Skills require PRACTICE (scary I know). SOME mouse and keyboard players are very good at aiming. You should not feel entitled to their same level or degree of skill just because you bought a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ play station.

Allowing an ENTIRE generation to aimbot to make up for that perceived "advantage" while simultaneously and very VERY disingenuously ignoring that MOVEMENT is significantly easier on controller and and that movement plays a MASSIVE part in multiplayer shooters is the biggest crock of ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ I'm still forced to hear dribble out of modern "gamers" mouths lol

You can use well practiced hand-eye coordination to aim well, so I should have the ability to bounce around you like a ♥♥♥♥♥ up chihuahua while simultaneously popping ENDLESS free head shots because...baaaaalllllaaaance? LOL

If you wondered what happens when you let an entire generation of entitled little asswipes grow up staring at an iPad, and wonder why they can't "win all the things" just by tapping a button, you now have your answer.

And for the record, no; mouse and keyboard is NOT 600% easier to aim with than a controller, because there is LITERALLY nothing "easier" than the game aiming FOR you. If you're too lame to practice your aiming and get better, you don't deserve to win 90% of your matches. That's what Fortnite, Apex and Overwatch are for. They don't care about balance or skill either. They just want your money.

Bro I feel like you rly mad about aa and I somehow get it but there just is some kind of disadvantage that controller has and I would like that anyone who speaks about that one thing is superior above the other sit down and try you stubborn sh*t I'm not used to m&kb cuz I'm having a PC since 4 years and didn't feel the need not to use m&kb above controller even though I did play ultra kill doom eternal and the finals like 40 hours each with m&kb and even though I didn't feel comfortable I managed to get a pretty good aim and no movement technique will help against solid aim. Ps:holding recoil on a controller is dogsh1t and everything above 40~50m you won't kill in one mag

Well there surely are some stupid aa out there but the current state of the finals it isn't even noticable and like embark told themselves the game isn't performing as expected at least so a slight adjustment might help casuals to get in. A option to turn on or off to play only against your kind of input would be surely fine

[Bryan Fury]

Originally posted by Gashlycrumb:

Originally posted by Meowser:

aim assist exists because a mouse is like 600% easier to aim with

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ lol. Mouse and keyboard require practice, hand-eye coordination and some degree of skill. Your average M&KB player can barely aim worth a damn. It's a skill. Skills require PRACTICE (scary I know). SOME mouse and keyboard players are very good at aiming. You should not feel entitled to their same level or degree of skill just because you bought a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ play station.

Allowing an ENTIRE generation to aimbot to make up for that perceived "advantage" while simultaneously and very VERY disingenuously ignoring that MOVEMENT is significantly easier on controller and and that movement plays a MASSIVE part in multiplayer shooters is the biggest crock of ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ I'm still forced to hear dribble out of modern "gamers" mouths lol

You can use well practiced hand-eye coordination to aim well, so I should have the ability to bounce around you like a ♥♥♥♥♥ up chihuahua while simultaneously popping ENDLESS free head shots because...baaaaalllllaaaance? LOL

If you wondered what happens when you let an entire generation of entitled little asswipes grow up staring at an iPad, and wonder why they can't "win all the things" just by tapping a button, you now have your answer.

And for the record, no; mouse and keyboard is NOT 600% easier to aim with than a controller, because there is LITERALLY nothing "easier" than the game aiming FOR you. If you're too lame to practice your aiming and get better, you don't deserve to win 90% of your matches. That's what Fortnite, Apex and Overwatch are for. They don't care about balance or skill either. They just want your money.

You deserve a medal.

Controller with AA made people completelly unskilled, a bunch of noobs that since can't aim (due to obvious issues with the used periphetial), they need "artificial help".

Controller and AA made FPS a cancer, and the players more of a bunch of noobs that think to be skilled because the "artificial help" they get made them appear "skilled".

MK is not EASIER to aim, it requires skills to do so, a perfect control over the movement, since you have no locked axis you can't forcefully stop somewhere in the middle at your will, it's all based on your hand and muscles. Then comes the DPI, the lens sensitivity, and so on.

Who says MK is easier never played seriously and only casually and should not speak at all about this argument. Yeah, you CAN play casually but the fact doesn't make you an expert compared to people that REALLY play more seriously and had to WORK OUT to make their aim a gigantic skill with a periphetial that doesn't have any help in aiming and locking to a target.

[Ya Mada]

Originally posted by Bryan Fury:

Originally posted by Gashlycrumb:

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ lol. Mouse and keyboard require practice, hand-eye coordination and some degree of skill. Your average M&KB player can barely aim worth a damn. It's a skill. Skills require PRACTICE (scary I know). SOME mouse and keyboard players are very good at aiming. You should not feel entitled to their same level or degree of skill just because you bought a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ play station.

Allowing an ENTIRE generation to aimbot to make up for that perceived "advantage" while simultaneously and very VERY disingenuously ignoring that MOVEMENT is significantly easier on controller and and that movement plays a MASSIVE part in multiplayer shooters is the biggest crock of ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ I'm still forced to hear dribble out of modern "gamers" mouths lol

You can use well practiced hand-eye coordination to aim well, so I should have the ability to bounce around you like a ♥♥♥♥♥ up chihuahua while simultaneously popping ENDLESS free head shots because...baaaaalllllaaaance? LOL

If you wondered what happens when you let an entire generation of entitled little asswipes grow up staring at an iPad, and wonder why they can't "win all the things" just by tapping a button, you now have your answer.

And for the record, no; mouse and keyboard is NOT 600% easier to aim with than a controller, because there is LITERALLY nothing "easier" than the game aiming FOR you. If you're too lame to practice your aiming and get better, you don't deserve to win 90% of your matches. That's what Fortnite, Apex and Overwatch are for. They don't care about balance or skill either. They just want your money.

You deserve a medal.

Controller with AA made people completelly unskilled, a bunch of noobs that since can't aim (due to obvious issues with the used periphetial), they need "artificial help".

Controller and AA made FPS a cancer, and the players more of a bunch of noobs that think to be skilled because the "artificial help" they get made them appear "skilled".

MK is not EASIER to aim, it requires skills to do so, a perfect control over the movement, since you have no locked axis you can't forcefully stop somewhere in the middle at your will, it's all based on your hand and muscles. Then comes the DPI, the lens sensitivity, and so on.

Who says MK is easier never played seriously and only casually and should not speak at all about this argument. Yeah, you CAN play casually but the fact doesn't make you an expert compared to people that REALLY play more seriously and had to WORK OUT to make their aim a gigantic skill with a periphetial that doesn't have any help in aiming and locking to a target.

Oh m&kb takes skill like everything that you will ever do Congrats on this now try to use only your thumb to move it, most things you saying could be told in the opposite direction. I dunno what you mean with "don't speak about m&kb if you playing casualy" dude dunno about you but my aim matched the controller aim after 50h but it took me over 300 to build my controller skill, btw hi I'm a good controller player who also used aa in the past and still got better.
"MK is not EASIER to aim, it requires skills to do so, a perfect control over the movement, since you have no locked axis you can't forcefully stop somewhere in the middle at your will, it's all based on your hand and muscles. Then comes the DPI, the lens sensitivity, and so on" well neither have we and guess what to controller our thumb we also use a muscle but we use one thats way less accurate and we have a way smaller degree to aim and move. I mean guys there is a reason why aa was intended and that's obviously cuz m&kb is superior for fps games

You sound like the typical dude who just hates that controller exists and would like to only have m&kb as input honestly I'm not interested in speaking which such ppl have a great day.

[anguishedsou1]

Needs buff

[EVONiEE 疾風迅雷悪魔]

come play xdefiant if you use mouse and keyboard we have input based mm, leave these fake fps games to kids.

[Nex]

Originally posted by Gashlycrumb:

Originally posted by Meowser:

aim assist exists because a mouse is like 600% easier to aim with

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ lol. Mouse and keyboard require practice, hand-eye coordination and some degree of skill. Your average M&KB player can barely aim worth a damn. It's a skill. Skills require PRACTICE (scary I know). SOME mouse and keyboard players are very good at aiming. You should not feel entitled to their same level or degree of skill just because you bought a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ play station.

Allowing an ENTIRE generation to aimbot to make up for that perceived "advantage" while simultaneously and very VERY disingenuously ignoring that MOVEMENT is significantly easier on controller and and that movement plays a MASSIVE part in multiplayer shooters is the biggest crock of ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ I'm still forced to hear dribble out of modern "gamers" mouths lol

You can use well practiced hand-eye coordination to aim well, so I should have the ability to bounce around you like a ♥♥♥♥♥ up chihuahua while simultaneously popping ENDLESS free head shots because...baaaaalllllaaaance? LOL

If you wondered what happens when you let an entire generation of entitled little asswipes grow up staring at an iPad, and wonder why they can't "win all the things" just by tapping a button, you now have your answer.

And for the record, no; mouse and keyboard is NOT 600% easier to aim with than a controller, because there is LITERALLY nothing "easier" than the game aiming FOR you. If you're too lame to practice your aiming and get better, you don't deserve to win 90% of your matches. That's what Fortnite, Apex and Overwatch are for. They don't care about balance or skill either. They just want your money.

Gigabased

[Gashlycrumb]

Originally posted by Pls Stay with me:

You sound like the typical dude who just hates that controller exists and would like to only have m&kb as input honestly I'm not interested in speaking which such ppl have a great day.

Firstly, you just DID. Secondly, I've been "gaming" since the NES. Been using controllers my whole life. My first shooters were Golden Eye and Perfect Dark, both of which I played WITHOUT aim assist on. Weirdly enough, it WAS quite difficult at first. Most skills ARE before you practice them. I didn't expect to win every match when I first started out and I sure as hell didn't feel entitled to it.

That's where "practice" comes in, which is the step most aim assist abusers like to skip ahead of. "Its hard" is usually incentive to get BETTER. But why bother when you can just flip a switch and win for free? You all are just lazy -_-

[Ya Mada]

Originally posted by Gashlycrumb:

Originally posted by Pls Stay with me:

You sound like the typical dude who just hates that controller exists and would like to only have m&kb as input honestly I'm not interested in speaking which such ppl have a great day.

Firstly, you just DID. Secondly, I've been "gaming" since the NES. Been using controllers my whole life. My first shooters were Golden Eye and Perfect Dark, both of which I played WITHOUT aim assist on. Weirdly enough, it WAS quite difficult at first. Most skills ARE before you practice them. I didn't expect to win every match when I first started out and I sure as hell didn't feel entitled to it.

That's where "practice" comes in, which is the step most aim assist abusers like to skip ahead of. "Its hard" is usually incentive to get BETTER. But why bother when you can just flip a switch and win for free? You all are just lazy -_-

Nah brother it's not lazy it's just a completely different skill level you need to reach or you telling me you can hold the recoil just as smooth as on m&kb? I'm personally having the opinion that it takes way longer to increase your skill in any shooter with a controller on the other hand It didn't even take half as long to get just as gud if not better cuz of the recoil patterns with m&kb if you telling me that you think controller&m&kb are even if you take the aa away... I'm so confused cuz I dunno how it felt for ya but I see a clear disadvantage in using a controller, even more if it isn't some 230€ controller that gives you 4 extra buttons. Still you seem to me like a controller hater cuz especially the finals is clearly not about aiming it's about the objective and even more important FUN and no one is gonna have fun if they have to play a game 300h just to build the skill not to be a burden cuz that's what almost every PS5 player is

[Myztkl©-Kev]

Originally posted by Gashlycrumb:

Originally posted by Meowser:

aim assist exists because a mouse is like 600% easier to aim with

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ lol. Mouse and keyboard require practice, hand-eye coordination and some degree of skill. Your average M&KB player can barely aim worth a damn. It's a skill. Skills require PRACTICE (scary I know). SOME mouse and keyboard players are very good at aiming. You should not feel entitled to their same level or degree of skill just because you bought a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ play station.

Allowing an ENTIRE generation to aimbot to make up for that perceived "advantage" while simultaneously and very VERY disingenuously ignoring that MOVEMENT is significantly easier on controller and and that movement plays a MASSIVE part in multiplayer shooters is the biggest crock of ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ I'm still forced to hear dribble out of modern "gamers" mouths lol

You can use well practiced hand-eye coordination to aim well, so I should have the ability to bounce around you like a ♥♥♥♥♥ up chihuahua while simultaneously popping ENDLESS free head shots because...baaaaalllllaaaance? LOL

If you wondered what happens when you let an entire generation of entitled little asswipes grow up staring at an iPad, and wonder why they can't "win all the things" just by tapping a button, you now have your answer.

And for the record, no; mouse and keyboard is NOT 600% easier to aim with than a controller, because there is LITERALLY nothing "easier" than the game aiming FOR you. If you're too lame to practice your aiming and get better, you don't deserve to win 90% of your matches. That's what Fortnite, Apex and Overwatch are for. They don't care about balance or skill either. They just want your money.

couldn't have said it better and I would just like to add that there was no aim assist on shooters on Nintendo 64, and games like Turok were just as fast paced as quake, and the N64 notoriously had terrible joysticks (which are 1000x worse than controllers today) and we still managed to hit shots. If you spend enough time with a controller playing shooters without aim assist, you get good with it, just like everything.

[Sell]

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