Dont nerf c4 , NERF THE NUKE .

[BaBe ♥]

First of all, I want to clarify that c4 itself is not an op weapon, nuke is. In the last update, c4 was added to map objects and will have a noticeable slowdown when dropped. This is a good update to prevent nukes from being too op, but why wasn't this same change made for fire extinguishers? Interestingly, fire extinguishers actually slow down after adding mines. So is the official intentionally not changing the weight of c4?

The current version of nuke is basically the same as the previous version in terms of balance. As a middle player, to prevent being nuked, I have already prepared my ads. However, even though I am already behind my ads, I can still be killed by the enemy's nuke without even before it touch the ads. So I want to ask, is ads too weak or is nuke still op?

We can talk about game balance till tomorrow, for example, when a glitched grenade or mine can affect both yourself and your teammates, making the only weapon that can deal with c4 at the redemption point have its own huge flaw/ the balance of poison gas and smoke etc. But first, please fix the nuke.

[Radi]

C4 is an OP weapon. If you put to any door and shoot it with an rpg you can wipe out a whole team or put it on the cashout or put it on tombstones and wait their teammates to revive. Even if someone chase you, you just drop a c4 under you and kill the enemy easily. A lot of efficient ways other than nukes.

[BaBe ♥]

Ursprungligen skrivet av o2k:

C4 is an OP weapon. If you put to any door and shoot it with an rpg you can wipe out a whole team or put it on the cashout or put it on tombstones and wait their teammates to revive. Even if someone chase you, you just drop a c4 under you and kill the enemy easily. A lot of efficient ways other than nukes.

There are many ways to avoid being killed by c4, at least it is not an OP weapon. Instead, it encourages players to use c4 in different ways. But now we can see that c4 is used 80% of the time on nukes and it is almost impossible to counter. Whether you intentionally bring ads or turn around as soon as you see a heavy with a nuke, the enemy can still nuke you from distance or even before it touch the ads lol
thats why im saying nerf nuke but not c4 itself

[BaBe ♥]

the beeping sound of c4 is not scary. The scariest thing is that the sound is coming from the fire extinguisher.

[Radi]

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Ursprungligen skrivet av o2k:

C4 is an OP weapon. If you put to any door and shoot it with an rpg you can wipe out a whole team or put it on the cashout or put it on tombstones and wait their teammates to revive. Even if someone chase you, you just drop a c4 under you and kill the enemy easily. A lot of efficient ways other than nukes.

There are many ways to avoid being killed by c4, at least it is not an OP weapon. Instead, it encourages players to use c4 in different ways. But now we can see that c4 is used 80% of the time on nukes and it is almost impossible to counter. Whether you intentionally bring ads or turn around as soon as you see a heavy with a nuke, the enemy can still nuke you from distance or even before it touch the ads lol
thats why im saying nerf nuke but not c4 itself

I agree remove nukes at all. But its really avoidable. Nuke players often run into mines, players use CL-40, you can also shoot the barrel to explode, you have aps turret and you can shield the nuke. If you stay in range or close to walls, you won't get nuked. Only noob players get nuked and they rage quit. Every time I play against top 1000 players I can't even get close enough to use a nuke. You can get nuked once for a while, but if you get nuked consistently its your fault.

[BaBe ♥]

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Ursprungligen skrivet av BaBe:

There are many ways to avoid being killed by c4, at least it is not an OP weapon. Instead, it encourages players to use c4 in different ways. But now we can see that c4 is used 80% of the time on nukes and it is almost impossible to counter. Whether you intentionally bring ads or turn around as soon as you see a heavy with a nuke, the enemy can still nuke you from distance or even before it touch the ads lol
thats why im saying nerf nuke but not c4 itself

I agree remove nukes at all. But its really avoidable. Nuke players often run into mines, players use CL-40, you can also shoot the barrel to explode, you have aps turret and you can shield the nuke. If you stay in range or close to walls, you won't get nuked. Only noob players get nuked and they rage quit. Every time I play against top 1000 players I can't even get close enough to use a nuke. You can get nuked once for a while, but if you get nuked consistently its your fault.

If you have to put in a lot of effort to handle a nuke, does that mean it's already op? The enemy can release the nuke before you can shoot the fire extinguisher. Even if you rely on your reaction speed and quickly use aps, the enemy can still kill you within the radius of the aps. Not to mention the weak weapons like cl40, you can kill players carrying nukes, but you can't even bypass aps as a main weapon . The c4 should be a low mobility, manually controlled weapon with high damage, not something that can be placed on a highly mobile fire extinguisher to eliminate its only weakness.

[Hybernian]

>The current version of nuke is basically the same as the previous version in terms of balance.

Not at all.
In order for it to fly anywhere near straightforwardly, you need 2 C4 well placed on the opposite side of the cylinder.
It now deals 80+155+155=390 dmg at best, but with damage fall off, it will be much lower.
1 C4 deals 155+80=235 at best, but often lower. 1 C4 on orange barrel used to deal 210+80=290 dmg + damage from fire.
And red cylinders are something that all players often use on a regular basis, making them rarer for heavy to encounter.
I think they already owe heavy a good buff to his other aspects e.g. weapons for nerfing nukes once (and RPG, shield and dome) and they'll owe even more for further nerfing nukes if it ever happens.

[BaBe ♥]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Hybernian:

The current version of nuke is basically the same as the previous version in terms of balance.
Not at all.
In order for it to fly straightforward, you need 2 C4 well placed on the opposite side of the cylinder.
It now deals 80+155+155=390 dmg at best, but with damage fall off, it will be much lower.
1 C4 deals 155+80=235 at best, but often lower. 1 C4 on orange barrel used to deal 210+80=290 dmg + damage from fire.
And red cylinders are something that all players often use on a regular basis, making them rarer for heavy to encounter.
I think they already owe heavy a good buff to his other aspects e.g. weapons for nerfing nukes once and they'll owe even more for further nerfing nukes if it ever happens.

is nuke really nerf enough about its lowest damage / damage radius when it exploded before entering the radius of aps and still be able to kill somebody behind it ? or should aps buff its radius?

i dont really think c4 should nerf its own dmg / dmg radius but they should work on the speed of red cylinders when placed wid c4 like the others

[Hybernian]

Ursprungligen skrivet av BaBe:

Ursprungligen skrivet av Hybernian:

The current version of nuke is basically the same as the previous version in terms of balance.
Not at all.
In order for it to fly straightforward, you need 2 C4 well placed on the opposite side of the cylinder.
It now deals 80+155+155=390 dmg at best, but with damage fall off, it will be much lower.
1 C4 deals 155+80=235 at best, but often lower. 1 C4 on orange barrel used to deal 210+80=290 dmg + damage from fire.
And red cylinders are something that all players often use on a regular basis, making them rarer for heavy to encounter.
I think they already owe heavy a good buff to his other aspects e.g. weapons for nerfing nukes once and they'll owe even more for further nerfing nukes if it ever happens.

is nuke really nerf enough about its lowest damage / damage radius when it exploded before entering the radius of aps and still be able to kill somebody behind it ? or should aps buff its radius?

i dont really think c4 should nerf its own dmg / dmg radius but they should work on the speed of red cylinders when placed wid c4 like the others

Work on as in kill it? Because that's what they did with orange ones. And without nukes there won't be any point in playing heavy.

[BaBe ♥]

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Ursprungligen skrivet av BaBe:

is nuke really nerf enough about its lowest damage / damage radius when it exploded before entering the radius of aps and still be able to kill somebody behind it ? or should aps buff its radius?

i dont really think c4 should nerf its own dmg / dmg radius but they should work on the speed of red cylinders when placed wid c4 like the others

Work on as in kill it? Because that's what they did with orange ones. And without nukes there won't be any point in playing heavy.

i can surely tell u even nuke is cancelled from the game heavy is still the meta character of the team, they just need to keep nerf the nuke or buff the countering stuffs

[Yulaw]

breach charge and c4 should be swapped the way its available and recharge wise. So you can only put one c4 at a time with cooldown before placing the next one.

[Hybernian]

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Ursprungligen skrivet av Hybernian:

Work on as in kill it? Because that's what they did with orange ones. And without nukes there won't be any point in playing heavy.

i can surely tell u even nuke is cancelled from the game heavy is still the meta character of the team, they just need to keep nerf the nuke or buff the countering stuffs

Doubt that

[TitanBrand_]

C4 can be used so many ways to play objective. most people use nukes cause its the easiest way to just wipe people instead of your gun. even without nukes C4 can be used to stall objectives. Lets say both or 1 teammate dies just place c4 under the objective and go res ur teammate and when they on it just pop it, obj drops 1 floor and stops the steal. If you got good knowledge of how spawns work usually i put C4 where someone would go through. like a door, close the door and wait, and when they run through, 1 rpg and that 1-2 person is instantly dead (including Heavy players). Being chased up stairs? throw a C4 under you then pop it and stall or completely stop the chase. people camping on the dam crane? few c4s and bring that ♥♥♥♥ down. Out of every class Heavy for me is the easiest to get so many kills because of how simple yet effective it is

[BaBe ♥]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Yulaw:

breach charge and c4 should be swapped the way its available and recharge wise. So you can only put one c4 at a time with cooldown before placing the next one.

maybe u can still put 2 c4 at same time but only 1 in each cans , imagine heavy player still willing to set up a nuke wid only 1 c4 , which means that nuke wid 1 c4 are still durable for them

[BaBe ♥]

Ursprungligen skrivet av TitanBrand_:

C4 can be used so many ways to play objective. most people use nukes cause its the easiest way to just wipe people instead of your gun. even without nukes C4 can be used to stall objectives. Lets say both or 1 teammate dies just place c4 under the objective and go res ur teammate and when they on it just pop it, obj drops 1 floor and stops the steal. If you got good knowledge of how spawns work usually i put C4 where someone would go through. like a door, close the door and wait, and when they run through, 1 rpg and that 1-2 person is instantly dead (including Heavy players). Being chased up stairs? throw a C4 under you then pop it and stall or completely stop the chase. people camping on the dam crane? few c4s and bring that ♥♥♥♥ down. Out of every class Heavy for me is the easiest to get so many kills because of how simple yet effective it is

u got the point , c4 itself is useful and creative weapon for the game but not actually op unless its a nuke for now

[Radi]

Since december Heavy lost its OP weapon (shotgun), lost shield health twice, RPG nerfed, C4 nerfed. Thanks to every cod/cs player we are aiming to a boring game where every ranked lobby will look like this: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3156014684
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3156019347
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3156018976
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3156018502
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3156018189
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3156017605


Oh wait, its already happening. Seriously whats the point of Light and Heavy class just remove them. Medium has the best weapon overall, heal, wallhack and instant revive.