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[RubADuck]

- maps are too big
- you get respawned to far away
- respawn timer is way too long
- no reason to go to the box before the vault is unlocked
- you get punished for being the first team at the vault
- health regen takes too long without a healer
- gas/fire dot meta is way too strong at objectives
- 120m to 250m away spawns are just bad
- Enemy team that ignore objectives and "help" the leading team by only focusing on killing you

This game wants to be e-sports but with the current balance will be dead in 1 month

[tythespy]

Originally posted by RubADuck:

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- Enemy team that ignore objectives and "help" the leading team by only focusing on killing you

That is pretty annoying and unfair. Some players only play the game as team death match and ignore the objective.

[🅿🆄🆁🅿]

Originally posted by tythespy:

Originally posted by RubADuck:

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- Enemy team that ignore objectives and "help" the leading team by only focusing on killing you

That is pretty annoying and unfair. Some players only play the game as team death match and ignore the objective.

Yup I have seen that, what's even worst is if YOUR OWN team is playing for Deathmatch only and you try to do objective.

Happened to me today I was trying to capture the cash but my teammate purposely threw a pyro grenade at me multiple times to kill me so he could run around killing people. It is so damn annoying, his name was Salty or Sulty I believe.

[Maj. Crimes]

I hate to be that guy, but everything you listed is screaming skill issue.

[Pilzquadrat]

I could get behind spawns being sometimes too far away. You got a relatively long respawn timer anyways, which is incentive enough for teammates to revive you (or it should be...)
Having to run for a mile after you respawned is just low.

[RubADuck]

Originally posted by Maj. Crimes:

I hate to be that guy, but everything you listed is screaming skill issue.

You will see this game is not as good as you want it to be :D

[johnrob]

Originally posted by Maj. Crimes:

I hate to be that guy, but everything you listed is screaming skill issue.

They've got a point about going to the vault first. Unless you've got a turtle team comp there's no reason to be the one to unlock it because another team is going to come try to take it, if you're lucky 2 teams try to take it and fight each other. Most pub games are going to give you team mates that don't have the right class setup to lock down an area for that long.

[TheWhateley]

Everything you listed affects every player evenly. How is this a balance problem?
I agree that spawning so far away from the objective on such large maps feels bad, but again it applies to everyone. And it helps ensure that the assault on any given objective isn't constantly a giant ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ of all 3/4 teams engaging at once.
Also...

Originally posted by RubADuck:

- you get punished for being the first team at the vault
- gas/fire dot meta is way too strong at objectives

So which one is it? Is the game unfair to defense or offense?

[RubADuck]

Originally posted by TheWhateley:

Everything you listed affects every player evenly. How is this a balance problem?
I agree that spawning so far away from the objective on such large maps feels bad, but again it applies to everyone. And it helps ensure that the assault on any given objective isn't constantly a giant ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ of all 3/4 teams engaging at once.
Also...

Originally posted by RubADuck:

- you get punished for being the first team at the vault
- gas/fire dot meta is way too strong at objectives

So which one is it? Is the game unfair to defense or offense?

Let me explain it to you then.
Step 1
You wait for the objective to be at 40-60% cap.
Step 2
You throw all your gas/fire on the spot.
+ Bonus points for noob tubing (we're doing that currently) with all 3 of us spamming grenade launcher on the spot.
Step 3
You run in and finish the last 1-2 player and cap
Step 4
Your grenades and mines are off cooldown by the time the enemy team is respawning
= you place all the mines and fire grenades on the objective
Step 5 You Win
You win because there is nothing in the game that help against gas/fire dot damage + grenade launcher spam.

There is zero skill involved, and we know it is dumb but if the game lets you do it then why not abuse the mechanics. It is such an obvious flaw it is laughable

[tythespy]

Originally posted by RubADuck:

Let me explain it to you then.
Step 1
You wait for the objective to be at 40-60% cap.
Step 2
You throw all your gas/fire on the spot.
+ Bonus points for noob tubing (we're doing that currently) with all 3 of us spamming grenade launcher on the spot.
Step 3
You run in and finish the last 1-2 player and cap
Step 4
Your grenades and mines are off cooldown by the time the enemy team is respawning
= you place all the mines and fire grenades on the objective
Step 5 You Win
You win because there is nothing in the game that help against gas/fire dot damage + grenade launcher spam.

There is zero skill involved, and we know it is dumb but if the game lets you do it then why not abuse the mechanics. It is such an obvious flaw it is laughable :praisesun:

This might work on noobs, but not on smarter teams or in ranked. A lot of players stay away from the objective and go on the offence until enemies are close