Meta is HEAVILY rewarding low-skill behavior.

[-InertIA- ¯\ (ツ) /¯]

Try to play 10 games as a Light in ranked above bronze level and you will know (I'm about to rank Gold).

-(1-shot) mines everywhere half hidden in rubble, behind closed doors, on top of stairs where you don't have vision. Made completely invisible if you want to use Thermal sight.
Some dudes even lob them at you during a fight like a damn frisbee instead of reloading their gun. If you want to use the dash ability, then get ready to trigger 5 of them everytime you try to dodge a bullet.

-Auto-turrets that can literally 1v1 you and take a full clip to destroy.

-Micro-second in gas/fire and you're disabled out of the fight (as HP regen is slow enough to die of old age, and going back without your puny 150HP is basically a death wish)

-Heavy players running around carrying multiple C4s attached to barrels (1shot) then instantly switching to RPG (1shot), oh and they too have mines to lob at you (1shot).

If by any sheer luck and idiocy they managed to miss all those free nukes, then (1-shot) you with a repeater shotgun. A Heavy can easily take a fight against 2 Lights at the same time and win with that shotgun alone. 3 if he had a good breakfast in the morning. Charge ability is also a (1shot) by the way. They can probably 1shot you by farting.

-Don't want to play the only slice of cheese Light gets (invisibility) ? Then just forget about ranked games. The Invisibility grenade is a buggy mess that only works half the time you throw it depending on terrain.

I've been matched against Chinese aimboters 4 times in the last 2 days. I really want to love that game but holyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy.

[David Fifield]

引用自 Netsa：

引用自 Jake：

that's not true at all....mesh shield...dome shield and the shotgun means the heavy can 1 v 3 another team quite easily if you position well. Add the RPG and it's even more of a joke when you leave their whole team at 1/3 hp or kill the light outright. A heavy can kill a light with the shotgun in under 200ms and with the Lewis gun in under 500ms....run away only works if they heavy can't aim. These are on bodyshots. You also mention speed but the heavies run speed is only slightly lower than mediums..which is only slightly lower than lights. It's only the CD abilities that give movement.

The good teams usually don't have Lights at all, so no one there is getting oneshot by anything. Being "slightly slower" means "slightly" not hitting that sledgehammer or shotgun. All the power in the world doesn't matter if it can't connect, so if the Heavy is using anything other than the Lewis, he's relying on his team to keep him alive.

And god forbid a glitch hits him, then the mesh shield and dome shield are gone completely.

the shotgun can kill a medium at 10m in 3 shots lmao....it shoots 4 shot bursts...16times before reloading. AS a heavy you literally cannot compete with another heavy that has the shotgun if you're both on the c ashout.

[David Fifield]

引用自 a Stubborn Rabbit：

Actually i almost considered a L build is so powerful (I mainly play M and H as my team required) especially when i have to confront a quicksilver player, they came invisible then they kill you, and then they vanish again, so i think it's clearly fair if each builds has their own advantage.

there are like 3 ways to see invisibility and mines + turrets shut them down hard

[David Fifield]

引用自 Sgtfireball：

turrets are ass, want proof? https://medal.tv/games/the-finals/clips/1ILuJXFQFftlPE/d1337wR5ovaV?invite=cr-MSxsanosMzI2NjQ5Miw

landmines have to be DIRECTLY stepped on or shot, and even if a full team has all landmines, they can only place 6.

Landmines on explosive barrels fly slow, and you can literally shoot at someone who is holding a barrel and they will blow up and die to their own mines.

i could never consistently one tap anyone with the heavy shotgun not even lights, but that could just be a skill issue.

i agree that meta is annoying, but honestly most of what you talk about is just a skill issue.

i will agree that the RPG is annoying as hell and should have a really long cooldown. But honestly the biggest peeve that i have with heavy is the dome shield, which they can just throw on you and shoot in and out of and you can do neither.

i think the dome shield should only be placable next to you, and its universal shoot out but not in for every team. Those 2 things would honestly be the only things that i ask for from this game.

they don't.... I've jumped them and still they explode.

[Arise Chicken]

引用自 -InertIA- ¯\ (ツ) /¯：

引用自 Arise Chicken：

what youre saying is youre barely above average.

Yeah, that must be because I wasn't bragging about my peepee size, simply trying to establish I am not a noob with "skill issues". If an above-average is struggling on those issues, then more than 50% of the player base is absolutely getting rekt by those same mechanics.

Which logically makes it a balancing issue if you want your game to survive outside of a small pro-scene.

but that quite literally is a skill issue and im not even trying to be mean about it.

[PandaUwU]

i don't know where you got those games but like, one single light with a stun and any weapon destroys any heavy i see, not even talking about medium, light right now is the strongest class when they got at least the stun gun that lowers your mobility by like 75% for 5 whole seconds (it also lowers your mouse sensitivity) basically giving them 5 whole seconds to get a free kill then run away with invisibility

[Riggs]

引用自 Janusz Maphia：

for me as a light player that runs around with a shotgun on invisiblity cracking 180s like its fortnite jumping from wall to wall shooting an enemy going invisible while reloading avoiding bullets and throwing flashbangs at the same time the worst thing in this game is no matter what your reaction time and aim is at the end you are not going to get that cash out with 20 diffrent types of land mines on site and pre placed c4s on the cash

the thing is i dont like the slow playstyle and beeing a immortal turtle heavy or playing medium for the akm and mines its too boring in my opinion but you litterally cant play light everyone runs around with an rpg every single gun besides the mp5 and the double barrel sucks on light litterally the pistol in my opinion is just meh if had bigger damage it would be better and the knifes are only good when the enemy team is bad

the light class needs a huge buff

Latest patch not only nerfed heavies in nearly every way, but buffed lights. I look forward to seeing what Light-main excuses are now lol.

[Riggs]

引用自 PandaUwU：

i don't know where you got those games but like, one single light with a stun and any weapon destroys any heavy i see, not even talking about medium, light right now is the strongest class when they got at least the stun gun that lowers your mobility by like 75% for 5 whole seconds (it also lowers your mouse sensitivity) basically giving them 5 whole seconds to get a free kill then run away with invisibility

A stun which they actually just INCREASED the range of too lol

[Riggs]

引用自 -InertIA- ¯\ (ツ) /¯：

Try to play 10 games as a Light in ranked above bronze level and you will know (I'm about to rank Gold).

-(1-shot) mines everywhere half hidden in rubble, behind closed doors, on top of stairs where you don't have vision. Made completely invisible if you want to use Thermal sight.
Some dudes even lob them at you during a fight like a damn frisbee instead of reloading their gun. If you want to use the dash ability, then get ready to trigger 5 of them everytime you try to dodge a bullet.

-Auto-turrets that can literally 1v1 you and take a full clip to destroy.

-Micro-second in gas/fire and you're disabled out of the fight (as HP regen is slow enough to die of old age, and going back without your puny 150HP is basically a death wish)

-Heavy players running around carrying multiple C4s attached to barrels (1shot) then instantly switching to RPG (1shot), oh and they too have mines to lob at you (1shot).

If by any sheer luck and idiocy they managed to miss all those free nukes, then (1-shot) you with a repeater shotgun. A Heavy can easily take a fight against 2 Lights at the same time and win with that shotgun alone. 3 if he had a good breakfast in the morning. Charge ability is also a (1shot) by the way. They can probably 1shot you by farting.

-Don't want to play the only slice of cheese Light gets (invisibility) ? Then just forget about ranked games. The Invisibility grenade is a buggy mess that only works half the time you throw it depending on terrain.

I've been matched against Chinese aimboters 4 times in the last 2 days. I really want to love that game but holyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy.

You have a stun, that you can land at 12m (since todays patch) that is a guaranteed kill on ANY class including heavy basically. A stun and a cloak. How easy do you need it to be? lol

[PandaUwU]

引用自 Trashpanda：

引用自 -InertIA- ¯\ (ツ) /¯：

Try to play 10 games as a Light in ranked above bronze level and you will know (I'm about to rank Gold).

-(1-shot) mines everywhere half hidden in rubble, behind closed doors, on top of stairs where you don't have vision. Made completely invisible if you want to use Thermal sight.
Some dudes even lob them at you during a fight like a damn frisbee instead of reloading their gun. If you want to use the dash ability, then get ready to trigger 5 of them everytime you try to dodge a bullet.

-Auto-turrets that can literally 1v1 you and take a full clip to destroy.

-Micro-second in gas/fire and you're disabled out of the fight (as HP regen is slow enough to die of old age, and going back without your puny 150HP is basically a death wish)

-Heavy players running around carrying multiple C4s attached to barrels (1shot) then instantly switching to RPG (1shot), oh and they too have mines to lob at you (1shot).

If by any sheer luck and idiocy they managed to miss all those free nukes, then (1-shot) you with a repeater shotgun. A Heavy can easily take a fight against 2 Lights at the same time and win with that shotgun alone. 3 if he had a good breakfast in the morning. Charge ability is also a (1shot) by the way. They can probably 1shot you by farting.

-Don't want to play the only slice of cheese Light gets (invisibility) ? Then just forget about ranked games. The Invisibility grenade is a buggy mess that only works half the time you throw it depending on terrain.

I've been matched against Chinese aimboters 4 times in the last 2 days. I really want to love that game but holyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy.

Nooo you can't say that. You will hurt Heavy-players feelings. (sarcasm)

The only way this game will survive is to either buff light dmg (big time to ensure faster kill time) or nerf heavy dmg and survivability.

Though I personally would just nerf heavy dmg and put more focus on gunplay. Too many cheap mines / weapons (skills) that delete light making them a useless class unless they are using invisibility though even then they are useless if fighting something that can kill them with one shot.

Mines should also be made so they ONLY activate if player clearly steps on them. Mine in a wall = no activation unless player goes to hug them, thrown mine = not activated untill it lands and stays on place for +2s, mine on ground no activation unless player clearly steps on them. Such a simple fix but seems devs cant even do that...

Devs really don't seem to understand that saying "kill time is something close to Apex" doesn't mean same as 1 skill / shot = kill.

Making anything instakill in a game like this is ridiculously stupid considering you have limited resurections and HUGE respawn timers making you just think "Why do I even play this game if I am dead over half the game time).

ah yes buffing light damage, pistol kills a heavy in 6 hits, 4 if you were invis

shotgun oneshots a medium if invis and twoshots a heavy even when not cloaked

MP5 has the range of a sniper with slightly less damages than the pistol

sniper two shots every class if body shot except heavy but the heavy can't run away fast enough to dodge a third shot god forbid you only put out headshots

the kunai and dagger i don't know but the sword kills a heavy in 5 hits so unless the heavy got his RPG you can't die if you run around him

if you want to buff light damages tell me what you want to buff becacause to me nothing needs a buff in there except the sword that needs 1 more damage/hit cut 74 damage just doesn't sit right

heavy on the other hand might have explosives and all that stuff but you have to remember he's slow as ♥♥♥♥ so if you just don't go against him head on or just be careful that if you do he doesn't have his RPG ready you win unless you try him melee and he has his hammer

medium are bad in fights that's why they're supports, healing revive trampolines and other stuff they get two shot by a sniper if body shot and oneshot in the head

[RubADuck]

Some people want this game to be good but atm it's just an unbalanced game. Nothing more to it. Come back in 3-6 month. If the game is still around then.

[David Fifield]

引用自 RubADuck：

Some people want this game to be good but atm it's just an unbalanced game. Nothing more to it. Come back in 3-6 month. If the game is still around then. :laughing_yeti:

I've never played an FPS game that tried to use "heromoba" balance that ended up being good.

[PandaUwU]

引用自 Static Breed：

a grenade can 1 v 1 you with one bomb

nah it can't i tried that, the light was litterally on top of the grenade and took "only" 149 damages the time to switch weapon i was dead

[sightseeer]

oh man the L class is so insanely annoying that I often use the M wallhack skill. Then many L start to ragequit.
When soloQ its really annoying to play against the invisible Ls because your teammates are not covering areas and so not have your back (in general).

Imho the L is too good and if you have issues with mines on doors, then use one of the other 25 windows per building. You can grapple hook to the roof and go from top to bottom etc. If you use the dash or invisibility then you are not adapting your loadout to your biggest issues. Its not because you stomped players at the begiining that had no explosive mines unlocked, that now they need to be nerfed. You need to adapt!

[¦Φ+Trasher <CZ>Φ~¦]

heawy is total slow = easy by killed by fasters

[David Fifield]

引用自 sightseeer：

oh man the L class is so insanely annoying that I often use the M wallhack skill. Then many L start to ragequit.
When soloQ its really annoying to play against the invisible Ls because your teammates are not covering areas and so not have your back (in general).

Imho the L is too good and if you have issues with mines on doors, then use one of the other 25 windows per building. You can grapple hook to the roof and go from top to bottom etc. If you use the dash or invisibility then you are not adapting your loadout to your biggest issues. Its not because you stomped players at the begiining that had no explosive mines unlocked, that now they need to be nerfed. You need to adapt!

this is the problem with the game...it's all hardpicks. If you run invisibility and they have wallhacks it feels janky as ♥♥♥♥ as invis was your only survivability. It's also jank as ♥♥♥♥ getting invis shotgunned or tased.