Meta is HEAVILY rewarding low-skill behavior.

[-InertIA- ¯\ (ツ) /¯]

Try to play 10 games as a Light in ranked above bronze level and you will know (I'm about to rank Gold).

-(1-shot) mines everywhere half hidden in rubble, behind closed doors, on top of stairs where you don't have vision. Made completely invisible if you want to use Thermal sight.
Some dudes even lob them at you during a fight like a damn frisbee instead of reloading their gun. If you want to use the dash ability, then get ready to trigger 5 of them everytime you try to dodge a bullet.

-Auto-turrets that can literally 1v1 you and take a full clip to destroy.

-Micro-second in gas/fire and you're disabled out of the fight (as HP regen is slow enough to die of old age, and going back without your puny 150HP is basically a death wish)

-Heavy players running around carrying multiple C4s attached to barrels (1shot) then instantly switching to RPG (1shot), oh and they too have mines to lob at you (1shot).

If by any sheer luck and idiocy they managed to miss all those free nukes, then (1-shot) you with a repeater shotgun. A Heavy can easily take a fight against 2 Lights at the same time and win with that shotgun alone. 3 if he had a good breakfast in the morning. Charge ability is also a (1shot) by the way. They can probably 1shot you by farting.

-Don't want to play the only slice of cheese Light gets (invisibility) ? Then just forget about ranked games. The Invisibility grenade is a buggy mess that only works half the time you throw it depending on terrain.

I've been matched against Chinese aimboters 4 times in the last 2 days. I really want to love that game but holyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy.

[Roy]

Originally posted by Timeless:

Another thing that needs to be fixed or at most, looked at is the 'strat' of running away with the last cash so teams can't go into OT.

It's really bad as to how easy it is to do that, especially if you are already in 1st place.
You can chuck the thing so far and even off the map, all to just waste time. Just have a light with evade and then poof, they are gone.

I am not saying that can't be a thing but maybe have it so the team in 1st place for the last minute can't actually grab the cash but instead only delay or steal?

Similar to how interacting with the cash-out when time runs out doesn't stop the time. That should be a thing cus if the guy sticks it even after time runs out, they've earned it. (But I know things like cloak will have to be looked it so it doesn't get abused)

Cus securing a victory by literally not allowing people to play the game in the most cheap way will 100% kill this game.

Honestly delaying a cash box is a valid strategy imo, wouldn't be fair if the winning team couldn't grab it.

[Netsa]

Originally posted by Roy:

When i play heavy i'm always one of the top performing players, with the others usually being other heavies.
That's not a flex, that's just an alarming pattern.

It's not an "alarming pattern", you're "top performing" because you have a team supporting you. Why do you think you're some kind of solo army? You likely had a healer on you every single game, it doesn't matter what your "meta loadout" is, the real meta is the Medium there healing you at all times.

To the rest of your post, like I said, barrels and RPG don't work if the enemy is further away. Most of the combat in the game takes place inside buildings, not necessarily in close quarters. There's too many ways of just blowing up walls for you to guarantee a close-range fight all the time, that's why you have a shield.

And what works against the shield? Glitch. What are you going to do now? Foam grenade? No, you're going to rely on your team and let them ramp up a 10000 support score while you grandstand about your k/d.

[Roy]

Originally posted by Netsa:

Originally posted by Roy:

When i play heavy i'm always one of the top performing players, with the others usually being other heavies.
That's not a flex, that's just an alarming pattern.

It's not an "alarming pattern", you're "top performing" because you have a team supporting you. Why do you think you're some kind of solo army? You likely had a healer on you every single game, it doesn't matter what your "meta loadout" is, the real meta is the Medium there healing you at all times.

To the rest of your post, like I said, barrels and RPG don't work if the enemy is further away. Most of the combat in the game takes place inside buildings, not necessarily in close quarters. There's too many ways of just blowing up walls for you to guarantee a close-range fight all the time, that's why you have a shield.

And what works against the shield? Glitch. What are you going to do now? Foam grenade? No, you're going to rely on your team and let them ramp up a 10000 support score while you grandstand about your k/d.

Not really i have 1 medium healing me which does help but is not constant, the light generally is underperforming, doing some damage but getting killed before he properly vanishes.
You seem very upset that i mentioned i'm reaching top of the scoreboard with k/d easily, but you left out the part where i said i usually have highest objective score too.
Sometimes even highest support when the medium doesn't have or use his healing/defib.

I still crush other classes with relative ease when i don't have a healer, to deny that it's not in balance is delusional.
Glitch grenade is a great tool, perhaps the light's crown jewel, but even then it requires good positioning and aim to outgun a heavy.
It's a team game btw, it's not just me as the one heavy, the entire enemy team can't just fully focus on me all the time.

[JewelRunner]

Originally posted by -InertIA- ¯\ (ツ) /¯:

You shouldn't need 1000 IQ play when other classes can delete you with one click, precise gunplay should be enough. Light is based on the element of surprise and at a certain level in the game, that doesn't work anymore.

(I've reached Diamond in Overwatch and Double AK in CS before, I know First Person Shooters lol)

Ever tried using glitch nades against heavies?

[Netsa]

Originally posted by Roy:

You seem very upset that i mentioned i'm reaching top of the scoreboard with k/d easily, but you left out the part where i said i usually have highest objective score too.

I'm upset because I'm arguing with a guy that thinks he's playing CoD. You're talking about scoreboards and k/d like anyone in the world cares. You're not winning games because Heavy is some kind of powerful monstrosity, you're winning games because

Originally posted by Roy:

i have 1 medium healing me

That's everything, nothing else you're saying matters. Objective score? You have a healer. Support score? You had two people shadowing you every time you got in trouble because no matter what Medium has on, he's always glued to his Heavy. You don't do anything on your own.

[Timeless]

Originally posted by Roy:

Originally posted by Timeless:

Another thing that needs to be fixed or at most, looked at is the 'strat' of running away with the last cash so teams can't go into OT.

It's really bad as to how easy it is to do that, especially if you are already in 1st place.
You can chuck the thing so far and even off the map, all to just waste time. Just have a light with evade and then poof, they are gone.

I am not saying that can't be a thing but maybe have it so the team in 1st place for the last minute can't actually grab the cash but instead only delay or steal?

Similar to how interacting with the cash-out when time runs out doesn't stop the time. That should be a thing cus if the guy sticks it even after time runs out, they've earned it. (But I know things like cloak will have to be looked it so it doesn't get abused)

Cus securing a victory by literally not allowing people to play the game in the most cheap way will 100% kill this game.

Honestly delaying a cash box is a valid strategy imo, wouldn't be fair if the winning team couldn't grab it.

It would be fair because it gives other teams a chance.

The 1st team is already going to qualify, so it would give other teams the opportunity to steal 2nd thus qualify.

If you've earned 1st then you've earned it but 2nd should always be up for grabs.

If 1st can't touch the last vault then they could at least defend it from everyone else cus people can still play. I'd take that over letting a light grab it, evade across the map just to chuck it out of bounds.

It purely wastes gameplay time and people won't want to play when the game allows people to quite literally restrict your ability to play the game, if you get what I mean.

[arie]

it literally says in the game that light is for hit and run tactics, you aren't meant to be taking 1v1s with other classes. you need to play with your team

[pi73r]

I love how I only mentioned my pro moments in response to that guy and brainlets woke up 4 pages later xD

Originally posted by Timeless:

Originally posted by pi73r:

How the hell can a heavy kill 3 lights id they will literally melt him i 0.05 sec?
I don't see a simgle good reason why a light shouldn't die if he gets caught and hit with a heavy hiting weapon. You got million move skills, cloak/dash and you can kill most stuff in a second or so.
Rpgs (which are easily dodgeable unless in very short range btw) 1 hit lights because otherwise they'd dominate the game.

It's not that the lights cant demolish the heavy. It's the fact that the heavy still has so much firepower afterwards that the downsides are non-existent.

Some of these kits allow for zero effort put into getting a kill. Punish a mistake sure, but if everything comes down to 1-tap this or 2-tap that then it sucks for the gameplay

THAT'S my point.

I am glad someone misinterpreted my statement ;)

No it doesn't suck for gameplay. Just because you find something too hard to overcome doesn't mean it's bad for the gameplay.

[pi73r]

Originally posted by Roy:

Originally posted by Netsa:

It's not an "alarming pattern", you're "top performing" because you have a team supporting you. Why do you think you're some kind of solo army? You likely had a healer on you every single game, it doesn't matter what your "meta loadout" is, the real meta is the Medium there healing you at all times.

To the rest of your post, like I said, barrels and RPG don't work if the enemy is further away. Most of the combat in the game takes place inside buildings, not necessarily in close quarters. There's too many ways of just blowing up walls for you to guarantee a close-range fight all the time, that's why you have a shield.

And what works against the shield? Glitch. What are you going to do now? Foam grenade? No, you're going to rely on your team and let them ramp up a 10000 support score while you grandstand about your k/d.

Not really i have 1 medium healing me which does help but is not constant, the light generally is underperforming, doing some damage but getting killed before he properly vanishes.
You seem very upset that i mentioned i'm reaching top of the scoreboard with k/d easily, but you left out the part where i said i usually have highest objective score too.
Sometimes even highest support when the medium doesn't have or use his healing/defib.

I still crush other classes with relative ease when i don't have a healer, to deny that it's not in balance is delusional.
Glitch grenade is a great tool, perhaps the light's crown jewel, but even then it requires good positioning and aim to outgun a heavy.
It's a team game btw, it's not just me as the one heavy, the entire enemy team can't just fully focus on me all the time.

This isn't "for honor" stop comparing classes like it's some 1v1 duel scenario.

[David Fifield]

Originally posted by Netsa:

Originally posted by Jake:

I mean it should be based on loadout. The problem here is that right now heavies don't need the medic like in TF2 heavy NEEDS a medic. In this game the heavy is insane on their own and with a pocket medic..GG if you don't have one.

Really? Heavies are not "insane" on their own. Without a team, they're only useful in specific circumstances like defending the cashout or killing melee-range Lights. You know that whole "hit and run" playstyle Lights are advertised as having? That's what they, and Mediums, do to Heavies that aren't being healed. Heavy has no defense against it besides turtling in shields and hoping for the best, everyone is faster than him and he has no mobility options. Bring any non-melee, non-shotgun weapon, what's he going to do about it? Try to hit with the RPG? If you have a height advantage, or are just further away from him than 5 feet, you can just dodge it, there's nothing he can do. Medium can't even die in one hit from it.

And if he does manage to do any damage? Dude can just run away, Heavy can't possibly catch him.

that's not true at all....mesh shield...dome shield and the shotgun means the heavy can 1 v 3 another team quite easily if you position well. Add the RPG and it's even more of a joke when you leave their whole team at 1/3 hp or kill the light outright. A heavy can kill a light with the shotgun in under 200ms and with the Lewis gun in under 500ms....run away only works if they heavy can't aim. These are on bodyshots. You also mention speed but the heavies run speed is only slightly lower than mediums..which is only slightly lower than lights. It's only the CD abilities that give movement.

[David Fifield]

Originally posted by pi73r:

Originally posted by Roy:

Not really i have 1 medium healing me which does help but is not constant, the light generally is underperforming, doing some damage but getting killed before he properly vanishes.
You seem very upset that i mentioned i'm reaching top of the scoreboard with k/d easily, but you left out the part where i said i usually have highest objective score too.
Sometimes even highest support when the medium doesn't have or use his healing/defib.

I still crush other classes with relative ease when i don't have a healer, to deny that it's not in balance is delusional.
Glitch grenade is a great tool, perhaps the light's crown jewel, but even then it requires good positioning and aim to outgun a heavy.
It's a team game btw, it's not just me as the one heavy, the entire enemy team can't just fully focus on me all the time.

This isn't "for honor" stop comparing classes like it's some 1v1 duel scenario.

Can you switch classes midgame?

[icantsee]

Heavy needs nerf is just too op. Anyone that disagree is clearly casual.

[David Fifield]

Originally posted by Arie:

it literally says in the game that light is for hit and run tactics, you aren't meant to be taking 1v1s with other classes. you need to play with your team

It's antithetical to the game design. Go try hit and run anywhere near OBJ with turrets,mines and explosive spam all over the site. The damage a light has is BARELY more than a heavy or even a medium(especially if he can't hit HS) despite both those classes having synergy and way more utility. Two mediums constantly dishing out damage with SCAR is better than a light looking for a pick and being effectively useless until they get one. Without invis you will insta die or dash away with 1 hp and then wait to regen for 10 seconds. Mines, turrets,defib, RPG and sonar/active sight all hard counter a light.

Can you pubstomp with them? Yes. Can you get a lot of kills with invis,stun gun and sawn off? By playing away from the OBJ? Yes. Half the time I get zapped on a medium I can 180 and spray down the light or ALMOST kill them even they had all the initiation.

[Bensam123]

This post is about lights, not about heavies. C4 cheese is unrelated to classes and needs to get fixed.

That aside, if you're around gold you'll realize most of the good players are running skar/ak or mp5 and instantly melt you before you get close to them. There is a reason the majority of streamers are running that. It's not because it's off meta, it's because it IS meta.

Meta is what people use, not what they say is meta. Don't believe people who say something is meta and the majority of people you see running stuff is different. Meta is whatever is used all the time and powerful.

That's not heavy with the heavy shotgun. C4 barrels are meta. Skar/AK lasers, defib spam is meta. MP5 instagib from off angles is meta.

[Arise Chicken]

Originally posted by -InertIA- ¯\ (ツ) /¯:

Originally posted by Recruta BR:

try playing smarter instead of complaining

You shouldn't need 1000 IQ play when other classes can delete you with one click, precise gunplay should be enough. Light is based on the element of surprise and at a certain level in the game, that doesn't work anymore.

(I've reached Diamond in Overwatch and Double AK in CS before, I know First Person Shooters lol)

what youre saying is youre barely above average.