Is cloak really worth it

[Snobby Hobo]

Is this terribly ability actually worth having in the game? Serious question.

It's just awful to play against. It's a crutch for bad players. It promotes shotgun corner camping (pure invisibility when sitting still). Partial invisibility is impossible to balance because it depends entirely on the hardware whether it's visible at all (e.g. upscaling ♥♥♥♥♥ with the visibility hard).

You can counter it. It's probably not the most competitive pick. But absolutely every single Light in casual runs it at the moment.

Is this active really worth how insanely unfun it is to play against?

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Are you annoyed? So it works as designed. Please try harder, invisible L's are very easy to deal with.

[Abu Crossbow]

The only reason why it works so well is because the game is chock full of schmucks who would rather come onto a board and complain than literally change one item in their loadout.

[Snobby Hobo]

Originally posted by Punk Gibson:

The only reason why it works so well is because the game is chock full of schmucks who would rather come onto a board and complain than literally change one item in their loadout.

How are you enjoying sitting in a corner with your shotgun champ?

Also might want to have your elementary school diploma revoked because you clearly can't read.

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Originally posted by Punk Gibson:

The only reason why it works so well is because the game is chock full of schmucks who would rather come onto a board and complain than literally change one item in their loadout.

This

[Netsa]

Counter it. Pick gear that counters it. That's the entire point of the gear that counters it, it counters it. If you don't pick the gear that counters it, it's harder to counter, so pick the counter gear that counters the thing you don't like so you can counter it.

[Snobby Hobo]

Originally posted by Netsa:

Counter it. Pick gear that counters it. That's the entire point of the gear that counters it, it counters it. If you don't pick the gear that counters it, it's harder to counter, so pick the counter gear that counters the thing you don't like so you can counter it.

You didn't read did you champ?

[Oro]

Plenty of Lights also have grappling hooks and dodge dash, I see them all the time.

[Abu Crossbow]

Originally posted by Snobby Hobo:

Originally posted by Punk Gibson:

The only reason why it works so well is because the game is chock full of schmucks who would rather come onto a board and complain than literally change one item in their loadout.

How are you enjoying sitting in a corner with your shotgun champ?

Also might want to have your elementary school diploma revoked because you clearly can't read.

I've actually been using the Mp5 and evasive dash, and I'm loving it.

And I *can* read. Well enough to see how much effort you're putting into making excuses for yourself when you could just stop being lazy and get good at the game.

[Netsa]

Originally posted by Snobby Hobo:

Originally posted by Netsa:

Counter it. Pick gear that counters it. That's the entire point of the gear that counters it, it counters it. If you don't pick the gear that counters it, it's harder to counter, so pick the counter gear that counters the thing you don't like so you can counter it.

You didn't read did you champ?

If you counter it, it's not unfun to play against. Countering it counters the rest of your post.

Is it worth having in the game? Considering how many counters there are against it, yeah. That's what those counters are for. You put on the counter and then you start laughing and guffawing about how easy these weaksauce Lights are to counter.

Complaints like these are usually reserved for things that have no counterplay. But this is basically just a TF2 Spy-hate thread.

[Carne Padre]

I think your just unfortunate in your ques. A lot of lights i meet use the dodge and grapple. Personally haven't had any issues with invisibility people at all. Very easy to counter, just play with a well rounded team and play as a team. If you solo run you gonna get slapped regardless.

[Abu Crossbow]

It's like, you've admitted to yourself that *every* light uses it (big cap, I see the other abilities all the time), yet you keep playing exactly the same and complain when you get dumpstered.

I hate being one-shot by mines, frags and RPGs, but instead of blaming the game I just focus on what *I* can do better to avoid dying like that.

[Snobby Hobo]

Originally posted by Netsa:

Originally posted by Snobby Hobo:

You didn't read did you champ?

If you counter it, it's not unfun to play against. Countering it counters the rest of your post.

Is it worth having in the game? Considering how many counters there are against it, yeah. That's what those counters are for. You put on the counter and then you start laughing and guffawing about how easy these weaksauce Lights are to counter.

Complaints like these are usually reserved for things that have no counterplay. But this is basically just a TF2 Spy-hate thread.

TF2's dynamic is COMPLETELY different from this game; it has two teams converging on a single objective at all times. Spy cannot be compared to cloak whatsoever. And if you would have to double down on that analogy this game's "spy" would also be scout, which would be insanely broken in TF2 as welll.

Invisibility has barely any counters in direct combat. It's not competitive because it becomes exponentially weaker around the actual objective (a problem Light has in general). If you shoot a Light and they survive they can just press a single button and near instantly go "partially invisible". What are you going to "counter" then? A sonar grenade? You'd literally have to know WHERE they are going to. Idem for the Tracking bolt.

It's just miserable to play against even if it's clearly not the optimal pick.

[Oro]

Originally posted by Snobby Hobo:

If you shoot a Light and they survive they can just press a single button and near instantly go "partially invisible". What are you going to "counter" then? A sonar grenade? You'd literally have to know WHERE they are going to. Idem for the Tracking bolt.

It's just miserable to play against even if it's clearly not the optimal pick.

If someone goes invisible in the middle of a fight with you, you counter it with bullets, lmao.

[Netsa]

Originally posted by Snobby Hobo:

TF2's dynamic is COMPLETELY different from this game; it has two teams converging on a single objective at all times.

Don't worry, I did read the rest of your post, I just have to quote this line because it's hilarious.
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Anyway, counters to invisibility in direct combat: Thermal sight, Pyro-style flamethrower, People's Elbow charge, not missing all of your shots so that they don't survive and then walk away from you.

If you're another Light, you can chase them down with Tracer dash or just nope-out via grappling hook. If they run behind a wall and you're a Medium, you can set up mines, and/or use a grenade launcher. If you're a Heavy, you can just fire an RPG, what are they going to do about it? Just fire it anywhere, they were probably sitting behind the nearest wall trying to regen anyway. How did you even let the fight go on that long?

[Snobby Hobo]

Originally posted by Netsa:

Originally posted by Snobby Hobo:

TF2's dynamic is COMPLETELY different from this game; it has two teams converging on a single objective at all times.

Don't worry, I did read the rest of your post, I just have to quote this line because it's hilarious.
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Anyway, counters to invisibility in direct combat: Thermal sight, Pyro-style flamethrower, People's Elbow charge, not missing all of your shots so that they don't survive and then walk away from you.

If you're another Light, you can chase them down with Tracer dash or just nope-out via grappling hook. If they run behind a wall and you're a Medium, you can set up mines, and/or use a grenade launcher. If you're a Heavy, you can just fire an RPG, what are they going to do about it? Just fire it anywhere, they were probably sitting behind the nearest wall trying to regen anyway. How did you even let the fight go on that long?

It's even funnier when you quote something out of context without acknowledging how ♥♥♥♥ your analogy was right?

I mean at this point it's clear as daylight you're a Light cloak user, so I've no real desire to continue this slugfest with you.

My point, to summarize it concisely, is not that cloak is overpowered. It's not. It is that it is miserable to play against. Partial invisibility is also a complete trash solution for reasons that I already mentioned.