RPG needs nerf

[David Fifield]

IT needs a massive increase to self damage so you can't just point it at your feet and kill a light...it also needs a massive damage nerf OR nerf to swap speed because its dumb as ♥♥♥♥ how easy it is to use for a free kill.

[CoffeeCat]

how do u nerf a RPG though its a RPG

[North_Dumpling]

Stop whining. RPG is fine. Silent pistol needs nerf however

[David Fifield]

Originally posted by Dougiee Jones:

Originally posted by Jake:

Lmao clueless noob. Yeah bring a long range weapon and become 100% useless.

Sounds like you are pretty useless if you can't dodge a rpg and die in one hit, But sure keep tanking those rockets then crying to the forum because your broken class isn't more broken.

These takes are insane when you even seen high level streamers constantly dying to RPG as lights. It's a no effort, low skill ez mode button.

[David Fifield]

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Originally posted by North_Dumpling:

Stop whining. RPG is fine. Silent pistol needs nerf however

Silent pistol has like 3x the ttk on a heavy vs the Lewis gun on a light. Cope harder.

[Bigachu]

Originally posted by Jake:

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Originally posted by North_Dumpling:

Stop whining. RPG is fine. Silent pistol needs nerf however

Silent pistol has like 3x the ttk on a heavy vs the Lewis gun on a light. Cope harder.

Class with 150 HP dies faster than class with 350 HP? Noooo waaaaay

[David Fifield]

Originally posted by Bigachu:

Originally posted by Jake:

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Silent pistol has like 3x the ttk on a heavy vs the Lewis gun on a light. Cope harder.

Class with 150 HP dies faster than class with 350 HP? Noooo waaaaay

The heavy guns literally kill another heavy faster than the light guns can kill a heavy. The heavy has more health, utility and damage.....

[Akameka]

Originally posted by Jake:

Originally posted by Bigachu:

Class with 150 HP dies faster than class with 350 HP? Noooo waaaaay

The heavy guns literally kill another heavy faster than the light guns can kill a heavy. The heavy has more health, utility and damage.....

Yes. He is the Frontliner ! Of course he does !
How are you suposed to be a frontliner if you can't out-live other class ? Having like 1000 HP ? then people will still be complaining how bullet spongy it is and it would be arguable even worse.

Use your brain and use tactics that works against heavies.
I'll help you : Trying a 1V1 in his ideal range is not the solution.

[Bigachu]

Originally posted by Jake:

Originally posted by Bigachu:

Class with 150 HP dies faster than class with 350 HP? Noooo waaaaay

The heavy guns literally kill another heavy faster than the light guns can kill a heavy. The heavy has more health, utility and damage.....

You do know that damage numbers are publicly available right?

The only weapon that can out dps light damage against another heavy is SA1216 shotgut.
M60 and lewis gun kill other heavies slower than:
m11
XP-54
LH-1
V95

Only 2 weapons that are kinda bad against heavies are sniper (but it can't be challenged by heavy on a range)
And second is throwing knifes.

So no heavies don't kill heavies faster. You clown

[David Fifield]

Originally posted by L'infâme Akameka:

Originally posted by Jake:

The heavy guns literally kill another heavy faster than the light guns can kill a heavy. The heavy has more health, utility and damage.....

Yes. He is the Frontliner ! Of course he does !
How are you suposed to be a frontliner if you can't out-live other class ? Having like 1000 HP ? then people will still be complaining how bullet spongy it is and it would be arguable even worse.

Use your brain and use tactics that works against heavies.
I'll help you : Trying a 1V1 in his ideal range is not the solution.

that's the dumbest ♥♥♥♥ I've read on here...he's the frontline so he gets health...damage....and utility. You could literally run 3 heavies and have it all and just lose defib. This isn't a game with forced role slots. It's not supposed to be a game with hard class metas...even though if you look at leaderboards it's obvious. Light is so weak in ranked that by not having h/h/m or m/m/h you lose damage from another frontliner since both those classes do around the same damage as a light but have more utility and survivability. Light is literally on good at killing noobs. I've play OW2 and TF2...this game's " assassin/mobility " class is a joke compared to those games. You keep saying " his ideal range" as if light doesn't do absolute ♥♥♥♥ damage beyond 10m.

[David Fifield]

Originally posted by Bigachu:

Originally posted by Jake:

The heavy guns literally kill another heavy faster than the light guns can kill a heavy. The heavy has more health, utility and damage.....

You do know that damage numbers are publicly available right?

The only weapon that can out dps light damage against another heavy is SA1216 shotgut.
M60 and lewis gun kill other heavies slower than:
m11
XP-54
LH-1
V95

Only 2 weapons that are kinda bad against heavies are sniper (but it can't be challenged by heavy on a range)
And second is throwing knifes.

So no heavies don't kill heavies faster. You clown

The V95 kills a heavy in 1.26 seconds for bodyshots and 0.84 seconds on headshots....the lewis and m60 kill a heavy in 1.55 seconds on bodyshots and 1.07 on headshots. They kill a light in like 0.59s with bodyshots and 0.39s on bodyshots. I already posted and RPM and TTK chart. Light does BARELY more damage on it's most overpowered weapon at optimal range. The heavy shotgun kills a light in 200ms with bodyshots and can shoot 4 bullets in the time the light double barrel has shot once ( there is a significant delay before you fire the second shot) and can shoot 4 full bursts before reloading. If you can land headshots on the AKM or FCAR you will end up the same avg ttk on a med shooting a heavy as you would a light.

https://www.reddit.com/r/thefinals/comments/17jr2sy/calculation_of_ttk_and_rpm_for_some_weapons/

https://www.reddit.com/r/thefinals/comments/17khas1/timetokill_in_milliseconds_chart_for_weapons/ ( this is a chart from a month ago).

[Akameka]

Again, As a light You have stealth and mobility, and can reposition yourself at will. If you don't have at least 0.5s before the moment you start to shoot a heavy and the moment he start to shoot at you, you're doing something wrong.

Yes tripple compo is dumb, that doesn't change anything. 3 heavies gets countered the same way as one heavy : Attack from above, disable their skills, spam gas, destroy walls, destroy ceiling/ground, Harass them ( their life takes forever to start to regen ), spam grenades and greande launcher and so on.

I'll insist on this one : ATTACK FROM ABOVE
Heavy can't do sh*t to you if you're above him, when damaged by unknown source, he will never look up before looking around, that gives you extra time to kill him, and you get easy access to his head.

[Bigachu]

Originally posted by Jake:

Originally posted by Bigachu:

You do know that damage numbers are publicly available right?

The only weapon that can out dps light damage against another heavy is SA1216 shotgut.
M60 and lewis gun kill other heavies slower than:
m11
XP-54
LH-1
V95

Only 2 weapons that are kinda bad against heavies are sniper (but it can't be challenged by heavy on a range)
And second is throwing knifes.

So no heavies don't kill heavies faster. You clown

The V95 kills a heavy in 1.26 seconds for bodyshots and 0.84 seconds on headshots....the lewis and m60 kill a heavy in 1.55 seconds on bodyshots and 1.07 on headshots. They kill a light in like 0.59s with bodyshots and 0.39s on bodyshots. I already posted and RPM and TTK chart. Light does BARELY more damage on it's most overpowered weapon at optimal range. The heavy shotgun kills a light in 200ms with bodyshots and can shoot 4 bullets in the time the light double barrel has shot once ( there is a significant delay before you fire the second shot) and can shoot 4 full bursts before reloading. If you can land headshots on the AKM or FCAR you will end up the same avg ttk on a med shooting a heavy as you would a light.

https://www.reddit.com/r/thefinals/comments/17jr2sy/calculation_of_ttk_and_rpm_for_some_weapons/

https://www.reddit.com/r/thefinals/comments/17khas1/timetokill_in_milliseconds_chart_for_weapons/ ( this is a chart from a month ago).

You said that heavy kills heavy faster than light which is simply not true, even with your source.

[✟ waffle ✟]

as someone who got 1 shot by a heavy while playing light, i must agree it does need some sort of nerf. i think projectile speed makes more sense to nerf than damage tho

[David Fifield]

Originally posted by Bigachu:

Originally posted by Jake:

The V95 kills a heavy in 1.26 seconds for bodyshots and 0.84 seconds on headshots....the lewis and m60 kill a heavy in 1.55 seconds on bodyshots and 1.07 on headshots. They kill a light in like 0.59s with bodyshots and 0.39s on bodyshots. I already posted and RPM and TTK chart. Light does BARELY more damage on it's most overpowered weapon at optimal range. The heavy shotgun kills a light in 200ms with bodyshots and can shoot 4 bullets in the time the light double barrel has shot once ( there is a significant delay before you fire the second shot) and can shoot 4 full bursts before reloading. If you can land headshots on the AKM or FCAR you will end up the same avg ttk on a med shooting a heavy as you would a light.

https://www.reddit.com/r/thefinals/comments/17jr2sy/calculation_of_ttk_and_rpm_for_some_weapons/

https://www.reddit.com/r/thefinals/comments/17khas1/timetokill_in_milliseconds_chart_for_weapons/ ( this is a chart from a month ago).

You said that heavy kills heavy faster than light which is simply not true, even with your source.

in the practical world they do because in reality people miss and the light guns have long reloads, short clips. Also when it comes to the heavy shotgun they will kill another heavy faster than every light weapon except garand. Also in order to achieve these TTK the lights need to be like 5m away so they don't have any damage fall off.

[Akameka]

Originally posted by Jake:

Originally posted by Bigachu:

You said that heavy kills heavy faster than light which is simply not true, even with your source.

in the practical world they do because in reality people miss and the light guns have long reloads, short clips. Also when it comes to the heavy shotgun they will kill another heavy faster than every light weapon except garand. Also in order to achieve these TTK the lights need to be like 5m away so they don't have any damage fall off.

Then IDK, don't miss, click faster on mouse and get lower TTK ? Do you also want the game to aim instead of you ? Oh sorry, that's already the case for console players, my bad.