Heavy...

[Benzali]

I love being a thicc boi / grill but gawd dayum they op to lights and mediums in almost everyway..rpg or / nuke needs toned down.

[100 % PRO]

dude i have almost 200 hr in this game and played mediums a lot never get killed by rpg it can kill the light but not mediums the rpg is fine you need to stop playing light if you suck simple as that" i don't understand those people who need to Nerf heavy and keep light op "

and if you say rpg and nuke is op just play heavy believe me you will get stun and 2 tap withe light shotgun than you will cry about light

[eddies]

Yes there is absolutely no reason a heavy should be able to one-hit kill anybody. Light should be damage, medium should be support, heavy should be tank. A tank should soak up damage and hold aggro for their team. They should be able to hold points and defend. They should not be able to be offensive in the way that they are now and they should not be able to one-hit anybody. Especially when the only thing that can one-hit their massive health pool is the dagger, which is almost complete garbage because of the range and charge up time on the right click attack. Heavies are so broken right now that there is no reason to play light build in ranked because you are just going to get one-shotted by every fat nerd with a nuke, RPG, or shotgun.

[Netsa]

Originally posted by eddies:

Yes there is absolutely no reason a heavy should be able to one-hit kill anybody. Light should be damage, medium should be support, heavy should be tank. A tank should soak up damage and hold aggro for their team. They should be able to hold points and defend. They should not be able to be offensive in the way that they are now and they should not be able to one-hit anybody. Especially when the only thing that can one-hit their massive health pool is the dagger, which is almost complete garbage because of the range and charge up time on the right click attack. Heavies are so broken right now that there is no reason to play light build in ranked because you are just going to get one-shotted by every fat nerd with a nuke, RPG, or shotgun.

Heavy is not a tank. If you want Heavy to be tank, to the point of nerfing his damage, then you would have to buff his HP and give him a real way of holding aggro, since he currently can't and doesn't. This Heavy is basically a mix of Overwatch's "Tank" class and Team Fortress 2's Heavy, both of which were given some of the most powerful weapons in the game, several of which were oneshots, to make up for being slow.

And Light is viable and playable in ranked, it's just harder to play and not meta. Use one of Light's longer-range weapons, like XP-54 or LH1, not the shotgun, and you can't be killed that fast by anything Heavy usually has on except C4. I think too many people rely on the cloak+shotty crutch in Quick Play, get hard-countered by better players, and then rather than playing better or switching builds, they just decide to drop the class because they either don't want to try that hard, or don't think Light has any better tools even though they clearly do if you use any part of your brain.

(Also, don't diss my dagger, get better at the game.)

[Colonel Jurten]

Originally posted by eddies:

Yes there is absolutely no reason a heavy should be able to one-hit kill anybody. Light should be damage, medium should be support, heavy should be tank. A tank should soak up damage and hold aggro for their team. They should be able to hold points and defend. They should not be able to be offensive in the way that they are now and they should not be able to one-hit anybody. Especially when the only thing that can one-hit their massive health pool is the dagger, which is almost complete garbage because of the range and charge up time on the right click attack. Heavies are so broken right now that there is no reason to play light build in ranked because you are just going to get one-shotted by every fat nerd with a nuke, RPG, or shotgun.

2 headshots with a sniper kills a heavy.
2 shots with the double barrel kills the heavy.
The light has a quicker time to kill the heavy. The light can also do so at range. The light has means to disable the heavy. Glitch grenades and taser.
The RPG takes time to recharge.
The breach charge works the same as the C4 when stuck to a barrel, providing you put a bullet into the barrel first.
The heavy auto shotgun does not one shot lights. It takes 2 shots, providing ALL pellets land. Lights are faster, and a smaller target. Lights have a double barrel that 2 shots heavies. Heavies are a bigger target.
Your vision of what light medium and heavy should be, clearly don't match the devs. I think it would actually make the game worse. Tank meta is a thing in too many games. But isn't increasing heavy's hp and lights damage, just ending in the same place? Except medium would suffer from this immensely.
Somehow you managed to be wrong on all accounts. Congrats. That takes at least an extra chromosome to achieve.
Sounds like you're having some major skill issues. Have you considered getting good?

[eddies]

I can tell who the fat, salty, and dumb heavy players are lol say skill issue all you want and keep defending this subpar game. I am one of the top lights in the world zzz stay poor.

[Turncloak]

Still no nerf to the nuke, absolute braindead devs.

[Colonel Jurten]

Originally posted by eddies:

I can tell who the fat, salty, and dumb heavy players are lol say skill issue all you want and keep defending this subpar game. I am one of the top lights in the world zzz stay poor.

I bet your dad is so proud of you

[Dhomochevsky]

Originally posted by Benzali:

doesnt bring offensive bruh? it has 2 potential 1 hits and a decent gun + shields and a massive health pool what are you even on about lmao.

massive pool that can be depleted by lights shotgun... teehehe

[Colonel Jurten]

Originally posted by Dhomochevsky:

Originally posted by Benzali:

doesnt bring offensive bruh? it has 2 potential 1 hits and a decent gun + shields and a massive health pool what are you even on about lmao.

massive pool that can be depleted by lights shotgun... teehehe

Double barrel has fastest all round time to kill in the game. Sniper can one shot other lights but that's it. Both shots all pellets and heavy is down. taser stops them from using shield. loada bs but it is what it is. it's the "I'm ♥♥♥♥ at every game so have to stick to metas" build. Vanish bomb, taser, dash, double barrel.

[Dhomochevsky]

Originally posted by SilverEyes:

Originally posted by Dhomochevsky:

massive pool that can be depleted by lights shotgun... teehehe

Double barrel has fastest all round time to kill in the game. Sniper can one shot other lights but that's it. Both shots all pellets and heavy is down. taser stops them from using shield. loada bs but it is what it is. it's the "I'm ♥♥♥♥ at every game so have to stick to metas" build. Vanish bomb, taser, dash, double barrel.

yeah, for me is unfair on the perspective that heavys has the bigest body model so you are getting all the pellets. also unequiping the item you have when stunned also the light size character model plus their speed

[Netsa]

Originally posted by SilverEyes:

Originally posted by Dhomochevsky:

massive pool that can be depleted by lights shotgun... teehehe

Double barrel has fastest all round time to kill in the game. Sniper can one shot other lights but that's it. Both shots all pellets and heavy is down. taser stops them from using shield. loada bs but it is what it is. it's the "I'm ♥♥♥♥ at every game so have to stick to metas" build. Vanish bomb, taser, dash, double barrel.

(Technically Dagger is faster.)
Adding a little bit of context to this. TTKs between Light and Heavy have to be compared between the TTK for Light to kill Heavy, and the other TTK for Heavy to kill Light. If both are using shotguns, Heavy kills Light faster.* If Light is using any other weapon, Heavy has a wider margin of error.

There's also a couple of other caveats. You can hear when someone uses Vanishing Bomb, cloak/vanish isn't complete invisibility, cloak is removed as soon as they fire the taser, and shield does block tasers if it was up before the taser fired. You also have a little bit of bonus time if your regular weapon was out when you got hit by the taser, rather than you holding out your RPG or C4 all the time.

*The spreadsheet I found for DPS lists the DB (SH1900) as faster, but I can't replicate the Firerate it lists for that weapon in-game. Heavy and Light's shotguns kill their respective targets in 2 shots, and Heavy's auto always fires faster even though it lists it as being slower on the spreadsheet.

[Colonel Jurten]

Originally posted by Netsa:

Originally posted by SilverEyes:

Double barrel has fastest all round time to kill in the game. Sniper can one shot other lights but that's it. Both shots all pellets and heavy is down. taser stops them from using shield. loada bs but it is what it is. it's the "I'm ♥♥♥♥ at every game so have to stick to metas" build. Vanish bomb, taser, dash, double barrel.

(Technically Dagger is faster.)
Adding a little bit of context to this. TTKs between Light and Heavy have to be compared between the TTK for Light to kill Heavy, and the other TTK for Heavy to kill Light. If both are using shotguns, Heavy kills Light faster.* If Light is using any other weapon, Heavy has a wider margin of error.

There's also a couple of other caveats. You can hear when someone uses Vanishing Bomb, cloak/vanish isn't complete invisibility, cloak is removed as soon as they fire the taser, and shield does block tasers if it was up before the taser fired. You also have a little bit of bonus time if your regular weapon was out when you got hit by the taser, rather than you holding out your RPG or C4 all the time.

*The spreadsheet I found for DPS lists the DB (SH1900) as faster, but I can't replicate the Firerate it lists for that weapon in-game. Heavy and Light's shotguns kill their respective targets in 2 shots, and Heavy's auto always fires faster even though it lists it as being slower on the spreadsheet.

The issue with knife is it has to be a backstab right click and it doesn't one shot heavy, but it almost does. light and medium get one shot by it. it's fun when you pull it off but it's rare that you can, and dash and taser is a must or just dont bother with knife. Vanishing bomb helps a lot. Especially in low vis maps. Alernatively, use smoke. There's plenty around and I feel like im the only one using it.

[Netsa]

Originally posted by SilverEyes:

The issue with knife is it has to be a backstab right click and it doesn't one shot heavy, but it almost does. light and medium get one shot by it. it's fun when you pull it off but it's rare that you can, and dash and taser is a must or just dont bother with knife. Vanishing bomb helps a lot. Especially in low vis maps. Alernatively, use smoke. There's plenty around and I feel like im the only one using it.

Landing the backstab is hard, but it's still basically a oneshot. You can cancel the rest of the backstab animation with the quick-melee, and the backstab puts the Heavy within 30 HP from death (quick-melee does 40). So RMB -> Elbow kills them almost instantly, faster than any other weapon in the game against Heavy other than a C4 nuke.

Also, both Cloak and Dash work fine for the knife, I don't know why everyone's so Dash-happy now. Did all the Lights suddenly discover Dash this week, just like all the Mediums suddenly discovered Recon last week?

[Medusa]

I think the balance in this game is quite fine, it's just that people whine too much on the forum's, hence the Epic games store has no Forum.
Some people are good with playing heavy, some are good playing light, some are good playing medium.
To someone average with another class this may seem op, but it's just the way the game works.

[Colonel Jurten]

Originally posted by Netsa:

Originally posted by SilverEyes:

The issue with knife is it has to be a backstab right click and it doesn't one shot heavy, but it almost does. light and medium get one shot by it. it's fun when you pull it off but it's rare that you can, and dash and taser is a must or just dont bother with knife. Vanishing bomb helps a lot. Especially in low vis maps. Alernatively, use smoke. There's plenty around and I feel like im the only one using it.

Landing the backstab is hard, but it's still basically a oneshot. You can cancel the rest of the backstab animation with the quick-melee, and the backstab puts the Heavy within 30 HP from death (quick-melee does 40). So RMB -> Elbow kills them almost instantly, faster than any other weapon in the game against Heavy other than a C4 nuke.

Also, both Cloak and Dash work fine for the knife, I don't know why everyone's so Dash-happy now. Did all the Lights suddenly discover Dash this week, just like all the Mediums suddenly discovered Recon last week?

It's cause the majority go with whatever they see people using on youtube and can't think for them selves what works well together. They instead take to the forums and discord to cry and call some things op and say others things need a buff. They're always wrong.