Nerf c4+barrels

[Roy]

Using the environment to your advantage should be rewarded, but the damage of throwing a c4 on a barrel/gas canister at someone is just ridiculous.
Literally one easy throw can wipe an entire team in one shot.
It's not even skillful play because it's incredibly easy to do and barrels are laying everywhere.
(I've been both at the receiving and dealing end of this and it makes teamwiping easy).

Nerf how much combined damage it can do please.

Inb4 "git gut" "sounds like a skill issue"; the only counter is shooting the object they're holding which is often nearly impossible as you can move an object around seemlessly and throw it instantly, so unless you have the drop on someone holding a barrel they're going to chuck it at you or your buddies before you can take them or the barrel out.

[777Azure7strix777]

They are fine.

[FearlessNewB]

actually the counter is to move out of the way which is fairly easy.

[EUX]

people wanna abuse it so they gonna spam you its fine and counterable lol... isnt it obvious? devs use stats not opinions in comments, and thats the good thing

[Metharius]

the issue isn't c4+cannister

it's canister being 100% accurate even at long distance. it should be thrown and start to spread and be super inaccurate at long distance

[L@zy Sh@dow]

С4 already got a nerf

[D3S]

If you saying they r fine you must be delulu. The only real counter to them is to shoot RPG first. I spamm this ♥♥♥♥ non stop its 99% free kill, and if ateam stays together in team based game you can get lucky and wipe whole squad with a single click.

[Balsover]

As soon as Lights can't kill me in 0.5 seconds with a shotgun, we can talk about nerfing the c4.

[Roy]

Originally posted by Metharius:

the issue isn't c4+cannister

it's canister being 100% accurate even at long distance. it should be thrown and start to spread and be super inaccurate at long distance

Yeah i think this is the main problem, you can actually snipe enemies with it.
Next up is people claiming it's a skill issue when you can't shoot a canister flying at 100km/h out of the air within the window of a second.

[Roy]

Originally posted by FearlessNewB:

actually the counter is to move out of the way which is fairly easy.

It's a guaranteed kill on anyone unaware of you, maybe even 2 or 3 at once.
There's no skill in that and it's easy to do repeatedly, even a sniper with good aim and good positioning can't teamwipe with one click when he he has the element of surprise.

It should do a lot of damage but not oneshots in a large radius, regular grenades are pretty much obselete at this point.

[AV]

Wth is this "only counter" nonsense people keep spouting? The heavy just as likely to get themselves and their team blown up. To actually do damage with this combo post-nerf, they have to time the detonation within 0.5m of the target or get a direct hit while making themselves 1-shottable by ANY explosive the whole time they're carrying it.

People who die to this are being justifiably punished for either rushing a heavy that's obviously holding a C4 barrel or for positioning in a way out of cover that the heavy could safely ambush them. If a heavy gets a multikill with this post-nerf it's because you're standing way too close together, trying to deathball with your teammates or taking an obvious risk. Like.... Just don't do that? It's almost like it's designed to be a hard counter for that exact behavior.

You really have to serve yourself up on a platter to get wrecked by this now. It's not like before the nerf where a heavy could just barrel a room and get a team wipe. Relative to the distances at which it's safe for a heavy to attempt this, you have all the time in the world to react. This is like complaining about a sledge heavy after standing there and letting them alt-fire your skull in.

This is a tactic that's in the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ trailer multiple times... And it's already been watered down to the point that it's almost not worth doing. This is like complaining about a grenade that's just as likely to blow the thrower up.

[Nouge]

Only nerf I would eventually see in terms of nuke, would be increased weight of C4 and mines. That way nuke start wont work at long distances (or it would be way harder and slower to do) and would be riskier overall due to need of coming closer to enemy. Thats it, that way it would be somehow balanced without killing whole concept of it.

Anyway, nuke isnt that big deal if you aske me. Biggest issue are unbalanced weapons. On heavy u basically are glued to lewis or shoty, coz other options are very medicore right now.

Overall, I think game needs bigger roster of weapons / gadgets / overall gear to become more balanced to play.

Yep, in many times it is skill issue. But lets be serious, some strats / gear are way more effective than other.

[NioclasV]

I'd hate to see any of the environmentals getting nerfed or changed because... they're environmental. These things are available to any player at all times. Cannisters can be dodged and blocked. Throwing a goo-nade or putting up a shield or barrier will deflect cannisters. I would recommend to everyone to take the time to learn the physics of this game. Mastering zipline stunts, combat timing, making obstacles out of buildings, moving cash out boxes around, fire trapping, and weaponizable environmental items can seriously change the outcome of a match.

If someone does manage to hit me with some kind of Garry's modded nuclear-turret-missile, I'll be sending you a friend request. Yes, this did happen to me, and I LMAOed for a solid 2 minutes.

[Roy]

Originally posted by NioclasV:

I'd hate to see any of the environmentals getting nerfed or changed because... they're environmental. These things are available to any player at all times. Cannisters can be dodged and blocked. Throwing a goo-nade or putting up a shield or barrier will deflect cannisters. I would recommend to everyone to take the time to learn the physics of this game. Mastering zipline stunts, combat timing, making obstacles out of buildings, moving cash out boxes around, fire trapping, and weaponizable environmental items can seriously change the outcome of a match.

If someone does manage to hit me with some kind of Garry's modded nuclear-turret-missile, I'll be sending you a friend request. Yes, this did happen to me, and I LMAOed for a solid 2 minutes.

The problem is the skill and/or requirement of putting c4 on a throwable and killing someone with it is pretty much entry level to anyone doing it on the first or second try.
"Deflecting with goo grenades or shields" only works in an ideal scenario where you see someone at medium/long range launching the object at you, in which case you can just dodge it instead.

Keep playing tournaments and you'll see how much it's abused, because if you've only seen it once i can't imagine you played much after it became a well known meta trick.

All counters mentioned are for when you are 1 on 1 with eye contact on the enemy, witnessing the launch.
In ANY other case, because god forbid you'd be fighting other enemies or helping teammates instead of a staredown, you'd be screwed.

In close/medium range all these "counters" are out of the window to begin with.
Nothing with such a low requirement of anything resembling luck or skill should be able to oneshot entire squads with just 2 clicks.

Try it yourself and you'll notice it's way out of proportion.
It's easy to get killed by something a few times and conclude "wow, that's overpowered".
That's why i always try things myself to confirm suspicions and boy is this a cheap and easy playstyle to wipe squads with.
It should take a massive chunk of hp when done correctly, maybe kill, but it should not instantly kill in a radius as large as it currently is.
Don't forget you can rinse and repeat as soon as your c4 is replenished, at which point you'll ALWAYS be able to find a throwable to instantly go for another attempt.

[Camman0000]

The fact that 95% of heavies run C4 and do this is indicative to how broken it is, people just choose to ignore it.

[Roy]

Originally posted by Camman0000:

The fact that 95% of heavies run C4 and do this is indicative to how broken it is, people just choose to ignore it.

Some c4 abuse enthousiast gave you a jester for calling it out lol..
As if anyone can deny 95% of the heavies have a c4 in their loadout for this exact reason, i know i do.