I think it's safe to say after the debacle of cheating in the Finals.

[Edie.]

Any game I see with Easy Anti Cheat being "the choice" of counter measure will be an instant no from me.

I get that developing games is a costly and time consuming affair, but if you cheap out at the most important hurdle, game security, then you're probably wasting your time developing the game in the first place unless your goal was a quick cash grab in the first place.

Tackling cheaters of today requires dedicated resources, people actively looking at reports and monitoring lobbies, doing proper investigative work.

The fact that dev studios of today are literally cutting back on this important resource and key component of developing public trust shows how little the player matters and how much profit margins do.

If only the dev studios of today and those that have fallen from grace understood why older studios succeeded for as long as they did....a little thing called consumer confidence.

If people know your product is good, they will come, if they know the product has solid post sale care, they will stick around and tell their friends.

So TL:DR

The Finals was the 'Final' straw for me with EAC using devs, it's lazy, it's cheap and it's putting fast profit over consumer confidence.

Need a few of these fast buck dev studios to get hit in the pockets before they learn it isn't acceptable anymore.

[1970. Gen X >:)]

Originally posted by Edie.:

Any game I see with Easy Anti Cheat being "the choice" of counter measure will be an instant no from me.

I get that developing games is a costly and time consuming affair, but if you cheap out at the most important hurdle, game security, then you're probably wasting your time developing the game in the first place unless your goal was a quick cash grab in the first place.

Tackling cheaters of today requires dedicated resources, people actively looking at reports and monitoring lobbies, doing proper investigative work.

The fact that dev studios of today are literally cutting back on this important resource and key component of developing public trust shows how little the player matters and how much profit margins do.

If only the dev studios of today and those that have fallen from grace understood why older studios succeeded for as long as they did....a little thing called consumer confidence.

If people know your product is good, they will come, if they know the product has solid post sale care, they will stick around and tell their friends.

So TL:DR

The Finals was the 'Final' straw for me with EAC using devs, it's lazy, it's cheap and it's putting fast profit over consumer confidence.

Need a few of these fast buck dev studios to get hit in the pockets before they learn it isn't acceptable anymore.

this guy,so uneducated its hilarious. putting it on the devs and anti cheat to stop cheaters lol
gawd. where do you think the hacks come from? do you think each person is writing their own code exploiting the game? and even if that was happening how is it devs fault a chaotic person is doing that the devs dont control what you decide to do. also anticheat will work as someone doesn't work against it purposely.
that being said. you should google any game every game then hacks behind the game name you choose. you will find teams of coders who purposely revers engineer games and sell the hacks as a program rented monthly giving people access to a ♥♥♥♥ load of hacks for many many games.
you are another barking up the wrong tree placing blame and responsibility on the wrong step. shut down those coders as what they are doing to a devs property is illegal. oh if your even dumber youll say its the peeps buying the hack. again that wont stop the issue of groups like Mr anti fun to profit off of hacks.
dumb ass. ban yes, but the fight is with the chaotic mindset of the coders.

[Edie.]

Originally posted by Endus:

After seeing a video on reddit where someone had infinite ammo (no reload), I realised that EAC isn't the whole issue, poor programming has a lot to answer for. The server should have the authority on how many rounds are left in the magazine, not the client. That's basic network replication and it's pretty easy to do in Unreal Engine so I've lost a lot of faith over that one.

Having said that, I'm continuing to play for now because I don't encounter many in unranked and it's still the most fun I've had with a shooter in years.

Good for you, find joy with it where you can and while you can, at least you're aware the Devs aren't exactly interested in dealing with the problems and not trying to lie to yourself like some others are.

I hope you find many matches and many more hours of cheater-less fun! Seriously.

[Edie.]

Originally posted by レディ 余波:

Originally posted by Edie.:

Any game I see with Easy Anti Cheat being "the choice" of counter measure will be an instant no from me.

I get that developing games is a costly and time consuming affair, but if you cheap out at the most important hurdle, game security, then you're probably wasting your time developing the game in the first place unless your goal was a quick cash grab in the first place.

Tackling cheaters of today requires dedicated resources, people actively looking at reports and monitoring lobbies, doing proper investigative work.

The fact that dev studios of today are literally cutting back on this important resource and key component of developing public trust shows how little the player matters and how much profit margins do.

If only the dev studios of today and those that have fallen from grace understood why older studios succeeded for as long as they did....a little thing called consumer confidence.

If people know your product is good, they will come, if they know the product has solid post sale care, they will stick around and tell their friends.

So TL:DR

The Finals was the 'Final' straw for me with EAC using devs, it's lazy, it's cheap and it's putting fast profit over consumer confidence.

Need a few of these fast buck dev studios to get hit in the pockets before they learn it isn't acceptable anymore.

this guy,so uneducated its hilarious. putting it on the devs and anti cheat to stop cheaters lol
gawd. where do you think the hacks come from? do you think each person is writing their own code exploiting the game? and even if that was happening how is it devs fault a chaotic person is doing that the devs dont control what you decide to do. also anticheat will work as someone doesn't work against it purposely.
that being said. you should google any game every game then hacks behind the game name you choose. you will find teams of coders who purposely revers engineer games and sell the hacks as a program rented monthly giving people access to a ♥♥♥♥ load of hacks for many many games.
you are another barking up the wrong tree placing blame and responsibility on the wrong step. shut down those coders as what they are doing to a devs property is illegal. oh if your even dumber youll say its the peeps buying the hack. again that wont stop the issue of groups like Mr anti fun to profit off of hacks.
dumb ass. ban yes, but the fight is with the chaotic mindset of the coders.

>>>>uneducated
>>>>no punctuation
>>>>can't spell
>>>>thinks it's not down to the dev studio to have recruited an anti-cheat department to actually tackle cheating


Terrible troll attempt is terrible, btw, "bro" Lady Aftermath is not a boys name, just thought you'd like to know, oh and it's also not Chinese.

[Insert Coins]

Originally posted by レディ 余波:

Originally posted by Edie.:

Any game I see with Easy Anti Cheat being "the choice" of counter measure will be an instant no from me.

I get that developing games is a costly and time consuming affair, but if you cheap out at the most important hurdle, game security, then you're probably wasting your time developing the game in the first place unless your goal was a quick cash grab in the first place.

Tackling cheaters of today requires dedicated resources, people actively looking at reports and monitoring lobbies, doing proper investigative work.

The fact that dev studios of today are literally cutting back on this important resource and key component of developing public trust shows how little the player matters and how much profit margins do.

If only the dev studios of today and those that have fallen from grace understood why older studios succeeded for as long as they did....a little thing called consumer confidence.

If people know your product is good, they will come, if they know the product has solid post sale care, they will stick around and tell their friends.

So TL:DR

The Finals was the 'Final' straw for me with EAC using devs, it's lazy, it's cheap and it's putting fast profit over consumer confidence.

Need a few of these fast buck dev studios to get hit in the pockets before they learn it isn't acceptable anymore.

this guy,so uneducated its hilarious. putting it on the devs and anti cheat to stop cheaters lol
gawd. where do you think the hacks come from? do you think each person is writing their own code exploiting the game? and even if that was happening how is it devs fault a chaotic person is doing that the devs dont control what you decide to do. also anticheat will work as someone doesn't work against it purposely.
that being said. you should google any game every game then hacks behind the game name you choose. you will find teams of coders who purposely revers engineer games and sell the hacks as a program rented monthly giving people access to a ♥♥♥♥ load of hacks for many many games.
you are another barking up the wrong tree placing blame and responsibility on the wrong step. shut down those coders as what they are doing to a devs property is illegal. oh if your even dumber youll say its the peeps buying the hack. again that wont stop the issue of groups like Mr anti fun to profit off of hacks.
dumb ass. ban yes, but the fight is with the chaotic mindset of the coders.

Calling someone "uneducated", whilst showing a display of some of the worst grammar and punctuation (or lack of) I've ever seen is actually what's "hilarious" here....

[Marmelade137]

The thing is, the tools to reliably detect cheats already exist :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkmIItTrQP4

The question to ask is what benefit is there to let a problem get out of hand before implementing effective solutions?

[Scriptimus]

Originally posted by Cynical:

You think any other anti cheat is any better?

[1970. Gen X >:)]

Terrible troll attempt is terrible, btw, "bro" Lady Aftermath is not a boys name, just thought you'd like to know, oh and it's also not Chinese.

lol my name is after my wife's name lol. she inst Chinese it Japanese lol. lol grammar police misses the entire point.

lol my point of view comes from a great article

https://securecheats.com/gaming-security-developers-fight-against-hacks/

man you must be the age of my kids. the things you thought were smart lol my name lol grammar french is my first language lol. so soooorrrryyy. gawd make fun of my age and i stil play games if you want to make fun of something. lol lol im gen X you poking at my name oh and what if it was my personal name and not my wife's? i could not identify as i wish? so your not a tolerant type? read the article tell me im trollin. cheats are beyond just a dev issue.

[Edie.]

Originally posted by Scriptimus:

Originally posted by Cynical:

You think any other anti cheat is any better?

:nidhoggyengarde:

Already answered it, yes a dedicated team is better than relying on just a tool. Because EAC is just that, a tool, it's not a replacement for an actual team, yet dev studios are doing just that.

Why is that such a hard concept to grasp?

[Scriptimus]

Originally posted by Edie.:

Originally posted by Scriptimus:

Already answered it, yes a dedicated team is better than relying on just a tool. Because EAC is just that, a tool, it's not a replacement for an actual team, yet dev studios are doing just that.

Why is that such a hard concept to grasp?

Better anti-cheat software? "SERVER ADMINS!" LOL.

[⎛⎝vikings_brother⎠⎞]

i deinstalled this game ... its jsut sad... you going in and see... youre solo cuz everyone is leaving... cuz a cheater is like 20/1... lol sad.. this game had potential.. but the devs forget, taht a anticheat is important :D so they deside to use EAC

[Edie.]

Originally posted by レディ 余波:

Terrible troll attempt is terrible, btw, "bro" Lady Aftermath is not a boys name, just thought you'd like to know, oh and it's also not Chinese.

lol my name is after my wife's name lol. she inst Chinese it Japanese lol. lol grammar police misses the entire point.

lol my point of view comes from a great article

https://securecheats.com/gaming-security-developers-fight-against-hacks/

man you must be the age of my kids. the things you thought were smart lol my name lol grammar french is my first language lol. so soooorrrryyy. gawd make fun of my age and i stil play games if you want to make fun of something. lol lol im gen X you poking at my name oh and what if it was my personal name and not my wife's? i could not identify as i wish? so your not a tolerant type? read the article tell me im trollin. cheats are beyond just a dev issue.

Nope, we aren't going to play identity politics, keep that for your Twitter/X account. It's not the Gotcha you think it is, trust me on that.

[Insert Coins]

Originally posted by Scriptimus:

Originally posted by Edie.:

Already answered it, yes a dedicated team is better than relying on just a tool. Because EAC is just that, a tool, it's not a replacement for an actual team, yet dev studios are doing just that.

Why is that such a hard concept to grasp?

Better anti-cheat software? "SERVER ADMINS!" LOL. :nidhoggyengarde::Horse:

Where was he asked what 'software' is better? He was asked what he thinks is a better anti cheat solution. He replied to the question with a valid answer. Reading comprehension not your strong point?

[Scriptimus]

Originally posted by Insert Coins:

Originally posted by Scriptimus:

Better anti-cheat software? "SERVER ADMINS!" LOL.

Where was he asked what 'software' is better? He was asked what he thinks is a better anti cheat solution. He replied to the question with a valid answer. Reading comprehension not your strong point?

OP talks about EAC. Reading comprehension not your strong point?

[Edie.]

Originally posted by Scriptimus:

Originally posted by Edie.:

Already answered it, yes a dedicated team is better than relying on just a tool. Because EAC is just that, a tool, it's not a replacement for an actual team, yet dev studios are doing just that.

Why is that such a hard concept to grasp?

Better anti-cheat software? "SERVER ADMINS!" LOL. :nidhoggyengarde::Horse:

Now you're deliberately saying dumb remarks for a reaction

At what point did I say "just server admins to police?"

Oh that's right I didn't

I said, use the tool as a TOOL, as it should be, not as your definitive answer, you should still be backing up that TOOL with a dedicated resource.

What would that resource be? A customer service team with knowledge of code, particularly JSON (since that's what most injections are coded in) that answer reports, spectate matches of high priorities (multiple reports in a short space) and act quickly based on the information and toolkit available to them.

But that involves something called cost and decreased profit margin. Thanks for playing.

[Scriptimus]

Originally posted by Edie.:

Originally posted by Scriptimus:

Better anti-cheat software? "SERVER ADMINS!" LOL.

Now you're deliberately saying dumb remarks for a reaction

At what point did I say "just server admins to police?"

Oh that's right I didn't

I said, use the tool as a TOOL, as it should be, not as your definitive answer, you should still be backing up that TOOL with a dedicated resource.

What would that resource be? A customer service team with knowledge of code, particularly JSON (since that's what most injections are coded in) that answer reports, spectate matches of high priorities (multiple reports in a short space) and act quickly based on the information and toolkit available to them.

But that involves something called cost and decreased profit margin. Thanks for playing.

Yes, an army of server admins. Cleaning each lobby, one player at a time. Lol.