How do you define a cheater or hacker?

[Lennart]

Honest question - I've met really good player but only once or twice I've thought they were cheating. Whats your definition of cheating?

[MachoMitch]

Getting melted from 200 metres away in half a second by an AK. It's really obvious when they are cheating.

[Muu]

For me, its all about consistency. Even the pros make mistakes. A lot of times now days you'll see someone consistently get a perfect headshot several times in a row when statistically its less and less probable each time. Obviously when talking about aim, aim assist on controllers is a thing and an alternate possibility other than classic cheating. The issue is, this is a competitive multiplayer shooter where the assumption is the game is the same balance and fairness for all players and having something like aim assist isn't equal for all players so I treat it like cheating anyways.

edit: In The Finals specifically, you have cheaters who can 1 shot kill people at full health from across the map. They've not only cheated their aim, but also multiplied their damage. When you hear "cheater/hacker" on these forums people are either talking about this kind of cheat, or aim assist controller users.

[Stimpy-t]

I've played 80 hrs and can't say I've seen anyone obliviously cheating. But you do see the odd match where a couple of players in lobby have 20 plus kills which seems a bit suss.

[No Mercy]

Originally posted by MachoMitch:

Getting melted from 200 metres away in half a second by an AK. It's really obvious when they are cheating.

Indeed this was my experience by someone name "~" and another cheater on his team. Another time a guy with 22k points after first round.

[formsim]

i've had games where 1 player on a team is 19 and 3 zero assist and i think cheating, but i can see they are extremely tactful and aim is on point, so was just out played.

then next game is pistol light hitting every single shot from across the map after i hit a large jump pad, or 100% headshots as i'm falling through a crumbling building.

A lot of people claim cheating where its really just skilled players, but finals obviously has a cheater problem.

I think a death cam would make for some interesting clips from both.

[formsim]

Originally posted by Stimpy-t:

I've played 80 hrs and can't say I've seen anyone obliviously cheating. But you do see the odd match where a couple of players in lobby have 20 plus kills which seems a bit suss.

I've had multiple matches where everyone is 10-15+ , not sus to me specially if people are getting revived. Have even seen a few 20-30's where i could tell it was just a team working well together vs a cheater. Kills is not really the only measure for if they are cheating.

[Lennart]

I wonder if cheating is more common in ranked as I haven't tried that yet?

[Stimpy-t]

Originally posted by formsim:

Originally posted by Stimpy-t:

I've played 80 hrs and can't say I've seen anyone obliviously cheating. But you do see the odd match where a couple of players in lobby have 20 plus kills which seems a bit suss.

I've had multiple matches where everyone is 10-15+ , not sus to me specially if people are getting revived. Have even seen a few 20-30's where i could tell it was just a team working well together vs a cheater. Kills is not really the only measure for if they are cheating.

True good team mates def make a difference. I'm not sure I really get all the cheater complaints. But then I mostly stick to quick play. Maybe it's all in ranked.

[Aleuvian]

Originally posted by Lennart:

Honest question - I've met really good player but only once or twice I've thought they were cheating. Whats your definition of cheating?

Players who are often ignoring their team, refusing to play as a team, and solo killing entire teams. Players who seem like they have far more information than they should have like knowing when a revive is happening outside of audible range.

Players who are cheating often play in a very overconfident way knowing that the cheats will carry them through any fight.

[Akameka]

It's quite hard to explain or define, but you get the feel of it with more game experience.

Basically, what defines a cheat user is perfect accuracy, tracking and consistency. And by perfect I mean PERFECT - they never miss, nor in close range or long range, even when they are moving really fast in the air or you are - or even both, why not lol - Even pro players makes mistakes and are not frame perfect every single time.

When someone who didn't saw you hide somewhere clearly go out of his way especially to get you, it's also very suspicious. Bonus points if he also start shooting the instant he has a line of sight - or even before. Someone who can spot you while invisible at 25+ meters is also very suspicious.

And obviously "rage cheaters", the more uncommon kind, those who clearly do something they shouldn't be able to - Flying, running faster than feasable, going through walls, going invisible despite not playing as light, doing maximum damage at extremely long range, are unkilable, One shoting you with low damage weapons and so on.

Also, when there is disresperency on how a player move and how precise he is. If he moves like a noob - never check corners or behind him, clearly has trouble to move around in his environment, regulary miss actions like revives, catching a rope, lmove like he doesn't really know what he is doing, failing to climb somewhere, yet insta melt you in every single confrontation, this is a big giveaway. No player that can't have fluid movement can have godlike aim. Fluidity in gameplay comes with experience, same as aiming ability, and someone with no experience can't simply never miss a bullet.

[Higgs]

if they are chinese

[Sezamek]

I think there should be death cam. It could help fighting cheaters, and be funny to watch. In Overwatch it works, its always good to know why u died.

[Akameka]

Originally posted by Sezamek:

I think there should be death cam. It could help fighting cheaters, and be funny to watch. In Overwatch it works, its always good to know why u died.

Killcam definitely helps in spotting them. Also helps knowing what you did wrong.
I don't even know why we don't have killcam and POTG features in this games, as it perfectly match with the theme.

[Sulfito]

these days, you cant tell, its very easy to hide that you are cheating, so yeah, there is no proof that you have been playing against other hackers, i talk about the ones who actually hide the fact they are using hacks, not the ones who kill you from the other side of the map

[Aleuvian]

Originally posted by Sezamek:

I think there should be death cam. It could help fighting cheaters, and be funny to watch. In Overwatch it works, its always good to know why u died.

You do get a free cam if your team wipes, which does let you see suspicious behavior.