Crosshair Overlay vs built in monitor crosshair

[✪Panda]

is programs such as crosshair v2 & crosshair X bannable when 70% of new monitors have that feature built in. Annoying af that crosshair ingame moves to much so shots never go were you think.

i know tape on the monitor or sum like it is ez fix around the apps but still

People say you wil get shadow banned and or just banned

[shotgunharry]

Origineel geplaatst door Akameka:

lol I am not trolling dude haha.

Do it at your own risks. They can ban you for the use of a 3rd party crossair. Seems they already do it By the Way, several people reported being banned because of it. If you really want to, use an integrated way (tape or monitor). It's not authorized, just impossible to spot (unless you record your games - who knows, some dude could report you or an AI could monitor videos published on the finals - You never know what use AI could have now.)

sure ;)

ah thx for the laugh. you're good. just take the compliment :)

[Akameka]

Origineel geplaatst door shotgunharry:

Origineel geplaatst door Akameka:

lol I am not trolling dude haha.

Do it at your own risks. They can ban you for the use of a 3rd party crossair. Seems they already do it By the Way, several people reported being banned because of it. If you really want to, use an integrated way (tape or monitor). It's not authorized, just impossible to spot (unless you record your games - who knows, some dude could report you or an AI could monitor videos published on the finals - You never know what use AI could have now.)

sure ;)

ah thx for the laugh. you're good. just take the compliment :)

I am just warning you. nothing more. people got banned for 3rd party crosshair. Just don't complain if it happens to you.

[Rave]

Origineel geplaatst door Akameka:

lol I am not trolling dude haha.

Do it at your own risks. They can ban you for the use of a 3rd party crossair. Seems they already do it By the Way, several people reported being banned because of it. If you really want to, use an integrated way (tape or monitor). It's not authorized, just impossible to spot (unless you record your games - who knows, some dude could report you or an AI could monitor videos published on the finals - You never know what use AI could have now.)

Its not cheating. You are not altering the software, nor the code. The game allows me to disable the crosshair option. If I do so, and use a third party program, providing a different crosshair, which gives me no advantage at all, it is not cheating. Again, you are not altering anything here. You leave the game as it is, and intend to disable the crosshair. If you use a different crosshair, which provides the same function, its not cheating. You have no advantage over anything, and did not alter the game files. Its called an Overlay. Overlays are not considered a cheat. If you for example, manage to give yourself a higher FOV than given in the game, by using a third party program, then its cheating. It is no overlay, and the game files are altered. People do not get banned because of using different crosshairs, they get banned because the software that they are using, alters the game files. Which is probably detected by EAC. You dont give yourself an unfair advantage by using a different crosshair. And its not a disadvantage towards other people. If you alter any game files with a third party software, that is called cheatng. If I disable the option myself and use my own one, its not cheating, easy.

[shotgunharry]

Origineel geplaatst door Akameka:

Origineel geplaatst door shotgunharry:

sure ;)

ah thx for the laugh. you're good. just take the compliment :)

I am just warning you. nothing more. people got banned for 3rd party crosshair. Just don't complain if it happens to you.

thank you very much! no worries! i don't use 3rd party anything. just my monitor crosshair like in every other online shooter. Because i don't have the nerve to deal with the crosshair settings and all i need is a dot in center of my screen :D

[Eldritch Panda]

1- No, a cross hair isn't cheating.
2- EAC does NOT ban cross hairs
3- The game literally has a built in cross hair

The people that whine about crosshairs being 'cheats' have never seen a marker in their lives. But if you guys think a cross hair is cheating, wait until you see that you can get controller level aim assist that is literally built into the game on mouse and keyboard...

[Almasy]

Origineel geplaatst door Akameka:

Does it say we’re not allowed to use a static crosshair? I don’t see it stipulated anywhere. It’s a normal game mechanic. Every game has a cross hair. It’s not cheating since cheating is considered an unfair advantage. Which is why Aim Assist is literally a legal cheat. You can argue all you want but you’re wrong.

Actually, you're the one who is wrong, as it's written in the terms of service (check the steam store page for your own language version, this will just be a translated one from french)

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V- CODE OF CONDUCT

You may not use the Services in any manner that Nexon deems unlawful or may damage, disable, overburden, or impair the Services or interfere with Nexon's use and enjoyment of the Services or other people. Without limiting the generality of the foregoing, also constitutes prohibited conduct, subject to applicable law:

- The use of any means of hacking or decryption, or of any bot or third-party software that may modify, temporarily or permanently, the code or user experience of the Services, whether locally on your device or on servers, or the use of any program, software or technology that is not expressly authorized by us and which allows cheating, power-leveling or accomplishing game tasks that cannot be accomplished without the use of this program, software or technology."

TLDR :

ANY MEANS - THIRD PARTY SOFTWARE - OR ANY PROGRAM, SOFTWARE, OR TECHNOLOGY NOT EXPRESSLY AUTHORIZED BY US, THAT MAY MODIFY, TEMPORARY OR PERMANENTLY ALTER THE USER EXPERIENCE OR ACCOMPLISH GAME TASKS THAT CANNOT BE ACCOMPLISHED WITHOUT THE USE OF THIS PROGRAM, SOFTWARE OR TECHNOLOGY AREN'T AUTHORIZED

Anything added ( even your monitor crosshair, or your duct tape - as duct tape is technically considered as a technology - but they can't detect it so... ) that can modify the user experience (that means, what you do or see in game) is not allowed.

As for consequences :

Violations of system or network security or attempts to disrupt the operation of the Services may result in civil or criminal penalties. We may investigate and work with law enforcement to prosecute users who violate the Terms.

WE MAY REFUSE, SUSPEND, MODIFY OR TERMINATE YOUR ACCESS TO THE SERVICES FOR ANY REASON OR FOR NO PARTICULAR REASON, AT ANY TIME AND WITHOUT NOTICE, UNLESS OTHERWISE PROVIDED BY APPLICABLE LAW. If your account is suspended while you are participating in a tournament or competition, Nexon is not responsible for any loss of potential prizes or recognitions in the tournament or competition.

Woops. Sorry, not sorry.

I agree though, static crossair is not the worse of cheat by far and shouldn't really be of concern until other aimbots and wallhacks are out of the equation. But that's cheating nonetheless.

So if I have a really good gaming chair ( and I mean an actual gaming chair not cheats) which gives me great posture and better arm and wrist movement compared to people who sit on a wooden stool or and can't afford such, is that also cheating? Is having a better computer who gives more fps also cheating? Is having an overlay of a tiny little animated cat on the bottom of the screen that gives me luck also cheating? And what about the Ritalin I take against my adhd which increases my concentration, is that also cheating? Think about it. Also there tos says nothing about a crosshair since it doesnt ♥♥♥♥ with the code or game mechanics.

[Royal]

Origineel geplaatst door shotgunharry:

Origineel geplaatst door Gamefreak:

It's considered cheating because you are intentionally circumventing game design. The devs didn't want the crosshair to be how a crosshair overlay can make it.

lol circumventing game design. random visual recoil is just bad design. if having a monitor crosshair on, which does not interact with the game in any way, is considered cheating, in times where console has aimbot ehm "assist" then i really don't know what to say. i mean i could make a dot with a marker on the screen :D

if its not an assist and it doesnt potentially make it easier to play then you dont need it do you

[shotgunharry]

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Origineel geplaatst door shotgunharry:

lol circumventing game design. random visual recoil is just bad design. if having a monitor crosshair on, which does not interact with the game in any way, is considered cheating, in times where console has aimbot ehm "assist" then i really don't know what to say. i mean i could make a dot with a marker on the screen :D

if its not an assist and it doesnt potentially make it easier to play then you dont need it do you

it's not! it doesn't! exactly! you get my point! i don't need it i just like the green/red dot in center of my screen...

[Royal]

Origineel geplaatst door shotgunharry:

Origineel geplaatst door HitPlay:

if its not an assist and it doesnt potentially make it easier to play then you dont need it do you

it's not! it doesn't! exactly! you get my point! i don't need it i just like the green/red dot in center of my screen...

so you dont need it then, its either helping you be more accurate or it isnt, and you keep saying it isnt so you dont need it then do you?

all these crosshair users are crying over it yet swear blind it isnt an assist lmao sure, thats why its such a big issue right?

[shotgunharry]

Origineel geplaatst door HitPlay:

Origineel geplaatst door shotgunharry:

it's not! it doesn't! exactly! you get my point! i don't need it i just like the green/red dot in center of my screen...

so you dont need it then, its either helping you be more accurate or it isnt, and you keep saying it isnt so you dont need it then do you?

all these crosshair users are crying over it yet swear blind it isnt an assist lmao sure, thats why its such a big issue right?

those ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ crosshair users...

is this for real? in times of "aimassist" devices that can emulate gamepad to have aim assist on mouse, ai cheats etc we talk about a monitor crosshair as a cheat? for real? omg...

[Royal]

Origineel geplaatst door shotgunharry:

Origineel geplaatst door HitPlay:

so you dont need it then, its either helping you be more accurate or it isnt, and you keep saying it isnt so you dont need it then do you?

all these crosshair users are crying over it yet swear blind it isnt an assist lmao sure, thats why its such a big issue right?

those ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ crosshair users...

if its not an advantage, why do you need it? :) still waiting

[shotgunharry]

Origineel geplaatst door HitPlay:

Origineel geplaatst door shotgunharry:

those ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ crosshair users...

if its not an advantage, why do you need it? :) still waiting

i told you allready. i like that red/green dot on my screen...

[Royal]

Origineel geplaatst door shotgunharry:

Origineel geplaatst door HitPlay:

if its not an advantage, why do you need it? :) still waiting

i told you allready. i like that red/green dot on my screen...

so its an advantage then, good to know you realise it

[shotgunharry]

kids these days huh... bring the trolling on an other level... :)

it was fun, i'm out :)

[Akameka]

Origineel geplaatst door ランス:

Origineel geplaatst door KripTed:

There’s a crosshair already in the game. How is that circumventing game design? They both do the exact same thing and should not be punishable at all. Unless this crosshair is designed to give aim assist or something. But I understand how a 3rd party program could potentially flag the anti-cheat. I’d just use the built in one. Aim assist that console users have is literally cheating but for some reason they’re allowed a handicap.

In game crosshair "wobbles" making it inaccurate. I turned on my built in crosshair setting on my monitor in the practice range and moved back and forth and took shots when the dot on my screen was centered. Every shot that hit had the in game crosshairs completely off the target. So there is a decently good reason to turn off the in game crosshairs and use the ones built into the monitor.

Also, stop with the aim assist complaining. Its getting old.

So, as you said, by design, the game make the crosshair they gives you innacurate and wobbling when you spray. So, having a perfectly accurate and immobile crosshair while you are not supposed to, is indeed an advantage going against the "intended user experience"

So if I have a really good gaming chair ( and I mean an actual gaming chair not cheats) which gives me great posture and better arm and wrist movement compared to people who sit on a wooden stool or and can't afford such, is that also cheating? Is having a better computer who gives more fps also cheating? Is having an overlay of a tiny little animated cat on the bottom of the screen that gives me luck also cheating? And what about the Ritalin I take against my adhd which increases my concentration, is that also cheating? Think about it. Also there tos says nothing about a crosshair since it doesnt ♥♥♥♥ with the code or game mechanics.

For the sake of argument, yeah it could be considered as a form of cheating. In official competition, every competitors are given the same presets and gaming conditions. But obviously in any other kind of context it's very hard to prove and even more to justify a ban for it. I am not defending that idea, just using it to show you that this argument you make is fundamentaly wrong. Also, they can only place in "intended user experience" what they designed in game. Outside conditions, like your gaming chair or the fact you take drugs or are drunk) aren't relevant. if you would forcelly push your FPS to 120 while they designed the game to never go over 60, that would be modifying the "intended user experience"though and could justify a ban. Again, I am not saying they should, I am saying they technically and legally can, according to the terms of use you agreed. Which has different legal value depending on countries BTW, but that's another problem.

Its not cheating. You are not altering the software, nor the code.

Yes, but You also forgot about the part that said "altering the intended user experience in any kind isn't allowed"
Actually some companies can and sometimes do ban you from playing your games (even solo) if they know you modded their game. CAPCOM and the company behind FFXIV are a few exemple. That's very bad PR so they usually don't, but hey.

Obviously there are wayyyyyy worse way of cheating, but using the argument that it's not cheating because its not a 3rd party software is fundamentally wrong. If your aim bot is built in your mouse, it's still cheating.