Melee Dagger players

[GREEN]

After reading around on the forums it seems like everyone assumes the melee dagger is trash before actually giving it a fair shot. The dagger is much much stronger than people think (and fun). It will 1 hit kill any target you strong attack in the back (heavy gets put on 1 hp which is an easy follow up swipe to kill but most of the time you should be pulling up on wounded heavies anyways.) You can use invisibility to get close to enemies but if you think this is somehow gonna make you a ghost then you are dead wrong. Playing the dagger is a rewarding play style within itself because Invisibility feels much less overpowered but more like its required to make your build work so you learn how to really maximize it's use in and out of combat. I am making this post for any players out there that play with melee dagger or want to try it! The melee dagger is a fun weapon that forces a unique style of game play, and once you get over that learning curve you'll be able to hit some really fun clips.

[GREEN]

go in the practice range and practice your movement while in cloak form, you NEED to be at least decent at movement if you're gonna escape with the dagger. Also try crouch sliding over an enemies head while charging your heavy attack mid-air and turn around for a easy 1 shot. There are tons of different ways you can movement your way into a nasty back stab

[GREEN]

Dagger players are amazing objective players too as we can hide ourselves with invis during cash out and only reveal ourselves to one shot the person trying to steal the cash out. You basically act as an exterminator for your team

[ElviraDemonQueen]

i kind of disagree i rather use the trowing daggers then the dagger at that point

[GREEN]

Originally posted by ElviraDemonQueen:

i kind of disagree i rather use the trowing daggers then the dagger at that point

I personally don't like the throwing daggers because they can't one shot a heavy and the right click takes way too long especially because it drops your invis so you just have to pray you're gonna hit that shot or you are dead. That being said though, I like playing with the throwing daggers mainly because they are infinite so I can focus on movement and pop shots all day. It is a really rewarding weapon to use once you master the right click. But still the melee dagger has some advantages, one being defending the cashout like I said, you can invis near the cashout and once they start capturing you can easily sneak behind invis and one shot them to clutch. thank you for the reply!

[Grief Factory Employee]

Ignore OP. Private steam profile nub who is probably bronze or doesn't even play ranked at all.
Dagger is dog poop because any above bronze player will hear you coming with the loud as hell humming of the cloaking device. Even if you get that nice backstab, his mates will kill you instantly.
Playing melee in this game is a gimmick that can be enjoyed in bank it mode, but in ranked, no way. You sacrifice ranged dps for one or 2 moments all game, whereas a gun will be used in the other 98% of the match. You can do so much more with a gun than with a dagger that there is no point to explain further.
Again, please ignore this guy and pick a real gun in your ranked games otherwise you will tilt your team mates immediately.
Dagger, Hammer and Sniper are big nonos.

[NayKoU]

at this current state of the game melees are piss poor against any other weapon period. i love using dagger but the backstab hitboxes and aim assist for any melee that matter makes you miss 90% of ur swings, worst case loose the target you are using melee against. im a mouse and keyboard user and im having tough times with melee and im already bored using mp5 ♥♥♥♥♥ too easy. i want to have fun with melee weapons but at this state im gonna wait until patches comes thru regarding for melees, maybe never who knows

[UgandanGirlfrenContracsEbolaASMR]

It is indeed really fun to get kills with it but if I want to help my team in most situations is going to be better to have a pistol, in my opinion the daggers need an option to remove charged attack autoaim and maybe be a little more generous with back hitboxes

btw which loadout do you run w them? I use stun gun/glitch/c4/thermal (if there is more than 3 gnomes)

[NayKoU]

Originally posted by Mouthful of seamonkeys:

It is indeed really fun to get kills with it but if I want to help my team in most situations is going to be better to have a pistol, in my opinion the daggers need an option to remove charged attack autoaim and maybe be a little more generous with back hitboxes

btw which loadout do you run w them? I use stun gun/glitch/c4/thermal (if there is more than 3 gnomes)

this. one point i was invis and standing still while medium chased me he sprayed the whole room left the room and i went for stab autoaim kicks in and he starts to back up to me and i still going forward autoaim still active i whif the stab to his left side and im dead by couple akm bullets. stun gun is out of the question because that gives info to the enemy "stunned there is light behind me" so he turns in an instant. sometimes if i hit the backstab it counts as side hit which is 100 damage and not the full one so im at loss. i used nade/glitch/pyro/motion sensor

[GREEN]

Originally posted by † Raw_Willpower †:

Ignore OP. Private steam profile nub who is probably bronze or doesn't even play ranked at all.
Dagger is dog poop because any above bronze player will hear you coming with the loud as hell humming of the cloaking device. Even if you get that nice backstab, his mates will kill you instantly.
Playing melee in this game is a gimmick that can be enjoyed in bank it mode, but in ranked, no way. You sacrifice ranged dps for one or 2 moments all game, whereas a gun will be used in the other 98% of the match. You can do so much more with a gun than with a dagger that there is no point to explain further.
Again, please ignore this guy and pick a real gun in your ranked games otherwise you will tilt your team mates immediately.
Dagger, Hammer and Sniper are big nonos.

Always one of you mfs "pRivATe pRoFIle" yea because weirdos like you will stalk a mf profile over a steam forum post LOL. And where in my post did I ever say the dagger was viable over guns or should be used in ranked??? I simply said the dagger is fun and stronger than people think (because people will see a tiny knife and not even give it a chance). I play games for the pure enjoyment, I am not getting paid to sweat my ass off so why would I care if one of you is crying on my team to switch lol. Get a grip

[Grief Factory Employee]

Originally posted by Green:

Originally posted by † Raw_Willpower †:

Ignore OP. Private steam profile nub who is probably bronze or doesn't even play ranked at all.
Dagger is dog poop because any above bronze player will hear you coming with the loud as hell humming of the cloaking device. Even if you get that nice backstab, his mates will kill you instantly.
Playing melee in this game is a gimmick that can be enjoyed in bank it mode, but in ranked, no way. You sacrifice ranged dps for one or 2 moments all game, whereas a gun will be used in the other 98% of the match. You can do so much more with a gun than with a dagger that there is no point to explain further.
Again, please ignore this guy and pick a real gun in your ranked games otherwise you will tilt your team mates immediately.
Dagger, Hammer and Sniper are big nonos.

Always one of you mfs "pRivATe pRoFIle" yea because weirdos like you will stalk a mf profile over a steam forum post LOL. And where in my post did I ever say the dagger was viable over guns or should be used in ranked??? I simply said the dagger is fun and stronger than people think (because people will see a tiny knife and not even give it a chance). I play games for the pure enjoyment, I am not getting paid to sweat my ass off so why would I care if one of you is crying on my team to switch lol. Get a grip

Don't be mad little man. As I said, in quick play it's fine, but even there you will tilt your mates. No one likes useless clowns in games. You are one of them. Kinda like mediums without defribs or heavies using hammer.

[GREEN]

Originally posted by † Raw_Willpower †:

Originally posted by Green:

Always one of you mfs "pRivATe pRoFIle" yea because weirdos like you will stalk a mf profile over a steam forum post LOL. And where in my post did I ever say the dagger was viable over guns or should be used in ranked??? I simply said the dagger is fun and stronger than people think (because people will see a tiny knife and not even give it a chance). I play games for the pure enjoyment, I am not getting paid to sweat my ass off so why would I care if one of you is crying on my team to switch lol. Get a grip

Don't be mad little man. As I said, in quick play it's fine, but even there you will tilt your mates. No one likes useless clowns in games. You are one of them. Kinda like mediums without defribs or heavies using hammer.

Again, who is mad? "As I said, in quick play it's fine" *proceeds to ♥♥♥♥♥ about how its not fine* lol. And like I said in another discussion post I play with a squad of friends no randoms, so the dagger is pretty easy to coordinate with. No one is crying for me to switch as we all know how to enjoy the game. Hope you have a nice day bud

[GREEN]

Originally posted by Mouthful of seamonkeys:

It is indeed really fun to get kills with it but if I want to help my team in most situations is going to be better to have a pistol, in my opinion the daggers need an option to remove charged attack autoaim and maybe be a little more generous with back hitboxes

btw which loadout do you run w them? I use stun gun/glitch/c4/thermal (if there is more than 3 gnomes)

This would definitely be a nice buff for the weapon but I guess I should have clarified in my original post that I mainly play with a squad of my friends so the whole team thing everyone is complaining about isn't an issue for me. I never said the dagger was actually viable or competitive over a regular gun, I just said that it is a fun weapon to use and people should use it because it is stronger than most people think (because most people have not even touched the weapon.)

as for my load out I run cloak, invis grenade (for maximum up time and you need as much invis as you can get with a short range weapon like this. Basically when you run out of cloak you have a free grenade to escape and get cloak again and heal.) next I run glitch grenades to help disrupt point and help in the team fight. last slot is flex for me but I usually run breach charge to blow up the floor of the cashout and cloak while its falling so when they try to steal my cashout its an easy kill. I have also run stun gun just so I can stop people from securing cash out at range (you can spam invis and interchange between taser and knifing for max up time defending point.) Taser also helps in team fight where you invis behind and stun for your team while you back stab. Hope this helps!

[GREEN]

Originally posted by NayKoU:

Originally posted by Mouthful of seamonkeys:

It is indeed really fun to get kills with it but if I want to help my team in most situations is going to be better to have a pistol, in my opinion the daggers need an option to remove charged attack autoaim and maybe be a little more generous with back hitboxes

btw which loadout do you run w them? I use stun gun/glitch/c4/thermal (if there is more than 3 gnomes)

this. one point i was invis and standing still while medium chased me he sprayed the whole room left the room and i went for stab autoaim kicks in and he starts to back up to me and i still going forward autoaim still active i whif the stab to his left side and im dead by couple akm bullets. stun gun is out of the question because that gives info to the enemy "stunned there is light behind me" so he turns in an instant. sometimes if i hit the backstab it counts as side hit which is 100 damage and not the full one so im at loss. i used nade/glitch/pyro/motion sensor

as for my load out I run cloak, invis grenade (for maximum up time and you need as much invis as you can get with a short range weapon like this. Basically when you run out of cloak you have a free grenade to escape and get cloak again and heal.) next I run glitch grenades to help disrupt point and help in the team fight. last slot is flex for me but I usually run breach charge to blow up the floor of the cashout and cloak while its falling so when they try to steal my cashout its an easy kill. I have also run stun gun just so I can stop people from securing cash out at range (you can spam invis and interchange between taser and knifing for max up time defending point.) Taser also helps in team fight where you invis behind and stun for your team while you back stab. Hope this helps!

[Xeno]

how about running with smoke granade and thermal vision.
Enemy got the point.
Use glitch first.
Then double smoke.
activate thermal vision,
use cloak, nobody will see you in the smoke now.

I tested this out in cash out so far and its super effectiv.
It does depend on the team.
Your team needs to wait until you kill 1 enemy and then use that to turn a 3 v 3 into a 3v 2 in your favor.

It doesnt help if you kill 1 guy and die while your team isnt even there yet.
But thats a problem a lot of light players seem to have.

[GREEN]

Originally posted by NayKoU:

at this current state of the game melees are piss poor against any other weapon period. i love using dagger but the backstab hitboxes and aim assist for any melee that matter makes you miss 90% of ur swings, worst case loose the target you are using melee against. im a mouse and keyboard user and im having tough times with melee and im already bored using mp5 ♥♥♥♥♥ too easy. i want to have fun with melee weapons but at this state im gonna wait until patches comes thru regarding for melees, maybe never who knows

Yes the back stab hitbox is definitely a problem and I hope we hear a change for it soon. For me I don't have any trouble tracking people with the melee, maybe try turning your sens up so you can track them better? I haven't had that issue so I can't speak on it. And like you said, meta weapons like mp5 are boring, the whole fun of the dagger is that it is difficult and challenging to use but that it what makes it rewarding when you actually pop off with it.