Stealing and reviving need some changes

[Conqueeftador]

Gonna preface this by saying I'm loving this game and wanna see it do very well long term

Why is there no overtime on an cashout steal?
If I'm holding 'E' to steal, as the cashout circle timer runs out, it shouldn't just despawn in my hands and give the players in control the money. I won the fight. There was nobody defending the box. My team killed the other two teams and I was in the process of stealing the money.
It removes any incentive for losing teams to fight to the last when you can look at the cashout timer and be like "nah there isn't enough time to steal it now anyway, we've lost this cashout."


As for when you get revived, you should get up with full ammo. It completely negates the purpose of reviving a teammate mid fight to even the odds when they can't even fight back.

It's so painful defibing your heavy only to watch them fire off the 8 rounds they have left in their M60 and die reloading or get killed running for cover because the enemy had no reason to stop shooting because your guy couldn't shoot back.
Even when you revive someone in cover, most people know to just rush you both because the person who's been revived likely has no ammo anyway.

[Unholy]

Revives are already so strong and prolly need nerfs not buffs. Filling up the ammo? Heck no.

[Scrubdaddy]

Originally posted by Naya:

Revives are already so strong and prolly need nerfs not buffs. Filling up the ammo? Heck no.

I think hes saying your amo should be reloaded when your picked up, I agree, often than not you lose the fight close to if not no ammo, when your revived its ♥♥♥♥ to die instantly because you have to reload

[Unholy]

Originally posted by Shark Bait Ooh Ha Ha:

Originally posted by Naya:

Revives are already so strong and prolly need nerfs not buffs. Filling up the ammo? Heck no.

I think hes saying your amo should be reloaded when your picked up, I agree, often than not you lose the fight close to if not no ammo, when your revived its ♥♥♥♥ to die instantly because you have to reload

I understand what he said, and I'm against that. The revive itself is already strong enough, giving them ammo to basically flip the fight with a simple rez? No. Just no

[jetsetsoaper]

the defib is pretty powerful. i think its better that it doesnt give u ammo on reload.

[Miracle_Man]

I also agree with the devs on the obj steal mechanics. If you aren't able to make it in time, that's on you. Additionally, you see this in all search style games as well. Adding that ability would only empower high kill players and punish strategic players. I it would also take away the elation you feel when you snag the quick steal.

[Crow]

Lacking ammo on the revive gives more incentive to, I dunno, actually provide cover to the person you just revived rather than upping and leaving them to fend for themselves. Is it frustrating? Sure, sometimes, but I think it'd be more frustrating to have a heavy empty their LMG at you, you kill them, they get defibbed back up and have a full mag to go again.

[PIMP]

Completely agree with you on both points.

If you wipe the team that controls the cashout and theres mere seconds left of the game, the timer should indeed stop whilst your stealing it.
Its actually a joke that you wipe the team and the timer runs out when your seconds away from stealing it and placing 1st to win the game.

Also reviving your team mate to only have next to none or even no bullets at all plus the fact you only revive with half health is a bit of a joke, its like why should i even revive my team in the 1st place, the system is flawed unless the devs want you to revive your team mate when theirs not a fight taking place & completely clear of the enemy,
I have gone 1vs3 to kill 2 enemies then to go revive one of my team mates to help finish the kill on the 3rd player because im literally 1 bullet away from death at this point but since my team respawns with half health and no bullets that last enemy ends up killing us both.

[Be wary of Crab!]

Yes but you didnt do it fast enough! There is no overtime in defusing C4 in CS aswell?

[Conqueeftador]

Originally posted by President Not Sure:

Yes but you didnt do it fast enough! There is no overtime in defusing C4 in CS aswell?

That's because it's C4? Bombs don't hit 00:00 then stop and wait when you start pressing buttons. This game isn't even comparable to CS in any way other than you have a gun and you hold a button to interact with the objective.
CS is much slower and more methodical than The Finals. This game has way faster mechanics with jump pads, grapple hooks and full scale destruction physics. But those faster, more high octane mechanics are completely negated by the fact that there's no overtime on steals.

And actually KILLING the enemy isn't always relevant. Why let us tear down the building and drop the objective to the ground floor so it's within our reach? Why let us break through the wall with smoke & flash bangs?
Why give us the power to perform these last ditch effort plays? Or make these perfect, strategic decisions in the last few seconds of these chaotic fights in a desperate attempt to stay in the match if there's no overtime to reward us for doing so?

I still have to actually STEAL the objective. I can still be killed whilst stealing. Both by the winning team AND the third team. The winning team can still keep their cashout IF they outplay me and I should have the chance to at least TRY and steal IF I've outplayed them.
It removes all intensity from the fight when the objective has 1/4 of its time left and you have to just wait for the next vault to spawn or accept the match is over.

[Obi-wan Jabroni]

i see all this negativity and all i can think to tell you guys is, GET GUD. For real tho. people complaining about showing up late to the fight and not being able to earn a W after 3rd partying the lone survivor of a 3v3. You posers want to know how not to die after being revived? have your buddy hit E and pick your no skill having ass up and run somewhere safe

[Unholy]

Originally posted by Obi-wan Jabroni:

i see all this negativity and all i can think to tell you guys is, GET GUD. For real tho. people complaining about showing up late to the fight and not being able to earn a W after 3rd partying the lone survivor of a 3v3. You posers want to know how not to die after being revived? have your buddy hit E and pick your no skill having ass up and run somewhere safe

AMEN

[A Spooky Wraith]

I disagree that your gun should be reloaded if you get revived, it should be your medium build's job to keep you alive with the heal gun so you actually get a chance to reload and fight, versus be revived and be able to fight immediately. Or, if they don't have that, it should be their job to pick up your respawn token and take it somewhere safe, THEN revive you.

However, I very much agree that the cashout should have an overtime timer if an enemy is holding E on a cashout that's seconds away from clearing. It makes it extra competitive, making it so that the winning team needs to hold their ground the entire time, and it allows sneakier teams able to try and snipe the win from another team.