Saeko's Drink Link

[Alisa, Best Girl]

Hey, I'm in Chapter 12 of the game and I've been avoiding ANYTHING to do with Saeko after the crap she did to Ichiban, but can anyone who has finished the game - or has actually interacted with her - confirm if the Drink Link has anything to do with her feeling actually sorry or regretful over what happened AT ALL? That entire situation ruined her character for me and I'm probably not going to use her ever, but I'd at least like to know. If it does, I can push through the Drink Link at least.

[Lord Ainz]

Originally posted by Ally Bobo:

Originally posted by Lord Ainz:

Again CONVENIENTLY ignoring how she reacted when he apologized to her the VERY next day and the fact that she KNOWS how awkward and blunt and straightforward he is. You really are not good at this whole logic thing are you? I am starting to detect a pattern here involving the white knights of this inconsistent, hypocritical mess of a character and that is ignoring every action and word she said that goes against their defense of her.

Cos the apology doesn't really make a difference, he still did it and keeps putting her on the spot. She even hesitated to go on the date to begin with.

He literally went to her work looking for her the day after, like maybe leave her alone? Do you think it's okay to propose then stalk the girl after you made her uncomfortable? That's literally not okay, you really don't see why she ghosted him?

The apology doesn't make a difference? aaaaaah so you're the kind of person who doesn't believe in a path of redemption or second chances? That explains so very much. It also makes anything you have to say on this topic utterly irrelevant.

[Ally Bobo]

Originally posted by Lord Ainz:

It also makes anything you have to say on this topic utterly irrelevant.

Nope, you’re just trying sooo hard to make assumptions cos you can’t be unbiased. Men like you are kinda cringe.

[Rabbit]

This thread is dripping with incel vibes, quarantine and burn

[Lord Ainz]

Originally posted by b o i n g:

This thread is dripping with incel vibes, quarantine and burn

Ah another one who loves applying labels that have been rendered utterly meaningless because of years of misuse whenever they have no logical argument. So delightfully consistent. Your kind always does resort to extermination of any viewpoint that doesn't align with your self destructive and self-defeating beliefs and world views.

Originally posted by Ally Bobo:

Originally posted by Lord Ainz:

It also makes anything you have to say on this topic utterly irrelevant.

Nope, you’re just trying sooo hard to make assumptions cos you can’t be unbiased. Men like you are kinda cringe.

Oh I am merely making the amount of effort your wall like behavior warrants. Because you will never see reason or reality so why should I waste any more energy? None of your arguments hold water. They are about as solid as a sieve used for noodles.

I will say it again in as polite a phrasing as you truly and honestly do not deserve:

Kindly stop telling us that the Writer's urination is actually precipitation from the clouds above born of pure nature.

[Alisa, Best Girl]

Originally posted by Ally Bobo:

Originally posted by Lord Ainz:

It also makes anything you have to say on this topic utterly irrelevant.

Nope, you’re just trying sooo hard to make assumptions cos you can’t be unbiased. Men like you are kinda cringe.

Says the person who is LITERALLY MAKING ASSUMPTIONS this minute. You hypocrite. Try not attacking people you disagree with sometime.

[bakasora]

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, it's just a game man.

[Lord Ainz]

Originally posted by bakasora:

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, it's just a game man.

That is not an excuse. Not when the games prior to this did not fall into such a pitfall of atrocious characterization. At least not when it came to the MAIN characters. Though honestly given how little actual impact Saeko has on the main story, It's a challenge to call her a main character anymore.

[Alisa, Best Girl]

Originally posted by bakasora:

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, it's just a game man.

And? Poor writing is still poor writing, I have every right to call it out as much as you have every right to not care, mind your business and carry on with your day.

[r0ttingplague]

Originally posted by Tutu has #SavedTF2:

Originally posted by Alisa, Best Girl:

Says the person who is LITERALLY MAKING ASSUMPTIONS this minute. You hypocrite. Try not attacking people you disagree with sometime.

Pointing out asumption is an assumption?

Originally posted by Lord Ainz:

The apology doesn't make a difference? aaaaaah so you're the kind of person who doesn't believe in a path of redemption or second chances? That explains so very much. It also makes anything you have to say on this topic utterly irrelevant.

So men who apologise after they forcefully try to sexually interact with no prior mutual agreement and despite hearing "no" or when they beat their girlfriends/wives should be handed out second chances? Insane. Mad.

you saying all that as if ichiban is some sort of sex offender holy hell. Get your head checked and give this thread a rest already

[arronax06]

It's like most people in this thread haven't finished the game and seen why Saeko reacted that way and what the problem was with what Ichiban said... Spoilers: the problem wasn't what Nanba and Adachi thought the problem was. True spoilers: The issue was that Ichiban never said he loved Saeko, so for her, he was just using her to get to an "ideal" life, not because he wanted to be with her, but because he wanted that life, and that who he got it with wasn't important. That's also why his apologies didn't work: because he didn't realize what the real issue was, he apologized for the wrong things, not for what really bothered Saeko.

[Stoibs]

Originally posted by arronax06:

It's like most people in this thread haven't finished the game and seen why Saeko reacted that way and what the problem was with what Ichiban said... Spoilers: the problem wasn't what Nanba and Adachi thought the problem was. True spoilers: The issue was that Ichiban never said he loved Saeko, so for her, he was just using her to get to an "ideal" life, not because he wanted to be with her, but because he wanted that life, and that who he got it with wasn't important. That's also why his apologies didn't work: because he didn't realize what the real issue was, he apologized for the wrong things, not for what really bothered Saeko.

The thread is calling out the lack of communication and silly games being played.
Ghosting someone for over a year without addressing and communicating this like Adults isn't doing anyone any favours, especially when it's clear in various cutscenes and her Drink Links that she does have feelings for Ichiban. (And then she just storms off again after some silly prop-gag in the ending.. like why? It's a silly gag, either laugh it off or once again *talk about it* Seako.. jesus )

See this far too often in real life relationships.
"What's wrong"
"Nothing. You should *know* what's wrong"

Nope, F off with that. We aren't 16 years old on the schoolyard anymore, if you aren't able to communicate with your significant other then the relationship is already on a rocky start and doomed to fail.

eh.. good for Ichiban for knowing what he wants I guess..? I could not see myself being happy in that relationship but I guess RGG really wants to force this pairing for whatever reason. It's especially annoying because of how well written Chitose and Seonhee are by comparison
This sentiment is shared across other forums, reddit, from streamers I've seen absolutely dumping on Seako etc. It's not just a handful of steam users here who is of this mindset, and I can only hope they can redeem her character in LAD9 if it follows the same cast.

[arronax06]

Originally posted by Stoibs:

The thread is calling out the lack of communication and silly games being played.

Fair enough, that's not how I interpreted what I read in this thread, but I might have misunderstood some of the people here.

So, keeping in mind that we're talking about a fictional character whose reaction was probably written for laugh and so that the writers can keep Saeko and Ichiban not in a couple for the next game, sure Saeko could have communicated better. But that's the point of her drink link, to understand that the situation she experienced with Ichiban is not unique, other men did the same thing to her (ie. proposing to her not because they love her, but because of how they think things should go in order to achieve a life goal). We of course know that Ichiban really loves Saeko, but it seems Saeko herself wasn't sure of that when Ichiban proposed, and his proposal did nothing to assuage her doubts.

Should she have given the benefit of the doubt? Probably, but the way she is written, she seems to have been really disappointed/hurt by him not telling her he loved her, and people who are hurting often react disproportionately. Also, at the end, we see that she never opened the messages from Ichiban? I interpreted that as the writers trying to show that her character was afraid of opening that door again, because she didn't want to be disappointed again.

So, all in all, I think the writing makes sense, as in, it describes an imperfect character with motivations that can be understood, even if we disagree with them.

[BeefoTheBold]

Originally posted by arronax06:

It's like most people in this thread haven't finished the game and seen why Saeko reacted that way and what the problem was with what Ichiban said... Spoilers: the problem wasn't what Nanba and Adachi thought the problem was. True spoilers: The issue was that Ichiban never said he loved Saeko, so for her, he was just using her to get to an "ideal" life, not because he wanted to be with her, but because he wanted that life, and that who he got it with wasn't important. That's also why his apologies didn't work: because he didn't realize what the real issue was, he apologized for the wrong things, not for what really bothered Saeko.

I think most people, including me, have indeed finished the game and the full Saeko drink link...and that your comment massively misses the point.

It is totally fine for Saeko to react badly to what Ichiban does. That isn't what I see most people complaining about.

It is NOT fine for her not to stop and explain to her BEST FRIEND where he messed up and how to make amends. I'm pretty darn sure that if she had told him why she was really upset, he'd have apologized profusely and tried to make amends. She couldn't be bothered for over a year to even respond to him. Instead, she lied to him and told him everything was fine and then ghosted him for a full year, during which any number of bad things happened to him.

Where was she when Kasuga's life was ruined by the Tatara Channel? Off sulking. Nanba and Adachi come to commiserate with THEIR best friend and make sure he's okay. Saeko continues to ignore him.

That isn't being a friend. That is being a bad person and treating someone you profess to care for like total trash. And the way that they write Ichiban just taking it and not even getting even a little upset makes HIS character worse because he's unwilling to stick up for himself, move on, or anything other than act like a whipped dog.

Saeko's character is written so badly in this game that it somehow even manages to make Ichiban's character worse because it accentuates one of his most grating and annoying qualities....what an absolute doormat he is. Even at the very end, he just stands there and takes a total beating for Eiji who also treated him like complete and total trash.

Saeko is a trash friend to Ichiban.

[arronax06]

Originally posted by BeefoTheBold:

Originally posted by arronax06:

It's like most people in this thread haven't finished the game and seen why Saeko reacted that way and what the problem was with what Ichiban said... Spoilers: the problem wasn't what Nanba and Adachi thought the problem was. True spoilers: The issue was that Ichiban never said he loved Saeko, so for her, he was just using her to get to an "ideal" life, not because he wanted to be with her, but because he wanted that life, and that who he got it with wasn't important. That's also why his apologies didn't work: because he didn't realize what the real issue was, he apologized for the wrong things, not for what really bothered Saeko.

I think most people, including me, have indeed finished the game and the full Saeko drink link...and that your comment massively misses the point.

I may have exaggerated by saying "most people", I concede that, I should have said "the most hostile people" instead (which, to avoid any confusion, I don't consider you to be).

Regarding the rest of your post, like I said in my previous one, I agree that Saeko's behaviour was less than stellar. I also think that the writing makes sense, as in, she is not badly written, she is written to be imperfect/bad.

[r0ttingplague]

Originally posted by arronax06:

Originally posted by BeefoTheBold:

I think most people, including me, have indeed finished the game and the full Saeko drink link...and that your comment massively misses the point.

I may have exaggerated by saying "most people", I concede that, I should have said "the most hostile people" instead (which, to avoid any confusion, I don't consider you to be).

Regarding the rest of your post, like I said in my previous one, I agree that Saeko's behaviour was less than stellar. I also think that the writing makes sense, as in, she is not badly written, she is written to be imperfect/bad.

if she is written to be bad she shouldnt have been put under a good spotlight and her and ichiban should not have been a pair. This is a writers bungle