Saeko's Drink Link

[Alisa, Best Girl]

Hey, I'm in Chapter 12 of the game and I've been avoiding ANYTHING to do with Saeko after the crap she did to Ichiban, but can anyone who has finished the game - or has actually interacted with her - confirm if the Drink Link has anything to do with her feeling actually sorry or regretful over what happened AT ALL? That entire situation ruined her character for me and I'm probably not going to use her ever, but I'd at least like to know. If it does, I can push through the Drink Link at least.

[Stoibs]

Originally posted by Fartmaster:

Saeko is the most boring Yakuza character ever. There's tonnes of women in the Yakuza/Judgement series which are far more interesting and have had way less screen time.

I wish at the very least Eri was given some more screentime and a chance to be included/fleshed out, she is canon since the Ichiban Confection's exists and her grandmother there has some throwaway line about her travelling overseas or whatever.

(That plus her unique job was quirky and really fun to use.. let alone being borderline overpowered 😁)

[moike]

Originally posted by Alisa, Best Girl:

Originally posted by Oni-Lyrics:

this post has massive incel vibes

There's nothing "incel" about calling someone out for being an ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ for being a bad friend, and ghosting her so called friend because he was socially awkward and said too much too soon. Stop being a white knight. Saeko was in the wrong.

She wasn't, play the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ game

[BeefoTheBold]

I said in a different thread that Saeko went from "bland and uninteresting" in this game to an outright B-word specifically because of the ghosting. (Her visual design was never all that distinctive. Heck, she could have been one of the cabaret girls from the minigame of one of the previous games. Her character was underdeveloped and she, frankly, didn't have a ton to make her all that memorable even BEFORE this. Compare to Seonhee...)

Writers did her very dirty there.

I can get why she is angry. That isn't the problem. The ghosting Ichiban for a year and NOT EXPLAINING WHY is the issue. She's, allegedly, an adult. He's, allegedly, her best friend even if they had some rocky moments in the romance side.

The least she can do for her best friend is sit him down and explain where he messed up and give him some pointers on how he can make it right. That's what a person does for their friends.

I simultaneously lost more of the very little amount of respect that I have/had for Ichiban over this storyline. What kind of whipped wimp just lets himself be treated like that and mopes around hangdog fashion for a whole year when a woman who was supposed to have his back and be close to him just totally blows him off because he made a, well meaning, mistake?

That entire arc is cringe as ****. Two already bad characters made immeasurably worse.

[Alisa, Best Girl]

Originally posted by Just Mike:

Originally posted by Alisa, Best Girl:

There's nothing "incel" about calling someone out for being an ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ for being a bad friend, and ghosting her so called friend because he was socially awkward and said too much too soon. Stop being a white knight. Saeko was in the wrong.

She wasn't, play the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ game

Maybe YOU should play the game because she DEFINITELY was.

[Alisa, Best Girl]

Originally posted by SHINRA-CORP:

Originally posted by Lord Ainz:

It's not unless you are a complete liar and an ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. If that's realistic to you, I feel bad for your relationships.

Ichiban was there for her at her lowest point in life. He saved her from the wrecking ball that could have ended her, he helped patch things up with her sister and helped rescue her dad. If that doesn't warrant at least a "Hope you're doing alright" or "how are you" even once over a year since a mistake HE VIGOROUSLY apologized for and she supposedly accepted, then there's something seriously wrong with her and Ichiban deserves so much better.

Women....

Stop that.

[Legato Bluesummers]

Originally posted by Alisa, Best Girl:

Originally posted by r0ttingplague:

well op if you are still in progress of the drink link, saeko in fact did not feel sorry about what she did. But do it for the achievement anyways

XD I have drink links with pretty much everyone else, but W O W, thank you for the confirmation that Saeko is a horrible human being. I don't think she's worth it for the achievement though - I'm totally fine with not 100%ing the game. :D

Yeah but I'm not okay with you not 100% the game.

[Alisa, Best Girl]

Originally posted by Legato Bluesummers:

Originally posted by Alisa, Best Girl:

XD I have drink links with pretty much everyone else, but W O W, thank you for the confirmation that Saeko is a horrible human being. I don't think she's worth it for the achievement though - I'm totally fine with not 100%ing the game. :D

Yeah but I'm not okay with you not 100% the game.

Now you're just trolling lol

[Zombine3D]

Originally posted by Lord Ainz:

Originally posted by Zombine3D:

Actually that is very realistic.

It's not unless you are a complete liar and an ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. If that's realistic to you, I feel bad for your relationships.

Ichiban was there for her at her lowest point in life. He saved her from the wrecking ball that could have ended her, he helped patch things up with her sister and helped rescue her dad. If that doesn't warrant at least a "Hope you're doing alright" or "how are you" even once over a year since a mistake HE VIGOROUSLY apologized for and she supposedly accepted, then there's something seriously wrong with her and Ichiban deserves so much better.

Or I had bad experiences where I had people I grew up with and were best friends just stop talking one day for no reason or any warning.
Yea sure.

[Imperium]

Originally posted by Zombine3D:

Originally posted by Lord Ainz:

It's not unless you are a complete liar and an ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. If that's realistic to you, I feel bad for your relationships.

Ichiban was there for her at her lowest point in life. He saved her from the wrecking ball that could have ended her, he helped patch things up with her sister and helped rescue her dad. If that doesn't warrant at least a "Hope you're doing alright" or "how are you" even once over a year since a mistake HE VIGOROUSLY apologized for and she supposedly accepted, then there's something seriously wrong with her and Ichiban deserves so much better.

Or I had bad experiences where I had people I grew up with and were best friends just stop talking one day for no reason or any warning.
Yea sure.

Sure, but do we need our videogame to remind us of that? Is it really a good thing to stop talking with people you cared about for "no reason" especially those who essentially saved your life. I may be old fashioned, but I prefer a happy ending love story for people I care about, I accept that its not always that way in real life, we dont control real life in the same sense we control a videogame. They could have let us the players decide Ichibans fate, not force it the way they did.

[Lord Ainz]

Originally posted by Just Mike:

Originally posted by Alisa, Best Girl:

There's nothing "incel" about calling someone out for being an ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ for being a bad friend, and ghosting her so called friend because he was socially awkward and said too much too soon. Stop being a white knight. Saeko was in the wrong.

She wasn't, play the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ game

Sounds like you didn't play the game. That or you're one of THOSE people who think women never do any wrong.

[Metal Izanagi]

Saeko had a bad reaction to Ichiban, a guy she considered a true friend, acting *really* stupid and impulsive by proposing pretty much out of nowhere on their first date after years of being friends. On top of that, he managed to phrase it all in the most stupid way possible. That she still cares about him after what would come across as a huge betrayal of that friendship to anyone at their age says a lot about her being a pretty good person.

If your immediate reaction is "she's a b****" you're exactly the kind of person Adachi and Nanba's lecture was aimed at lmao. Like yeah, it was a pretty harsh reaction but again it was their first freaking date after years of being friends! Humans react emotionally to upsetting situations.

[Lord Ainz]

Originally posted by Metal Izanagi:

Saeko had a bad reaction to Ichiban, a guy she considered a true friend, acting *really* stupid and impulsive by proposing pretty much out of nowhere on their first date after years of being friends. On top of that, he managed to phrase it all in the most stupid way possible. That she still cares about him after what would come across as a huge betrayal of that friendship to anyone at their age says a lot about her being a pretty good person.

If your immediate reaction is "she's a b****" you're exactly the kind of person Adachi and Nanba's lecture was aimed at lmao. Like yeah, it was a pretty harsh reaction but again it was their first freaking date after years of being friends! Humans react emotionally to upsetting situations.

You completely missed the point and wow talk about the most twisted view on relationships ever.

[Alisa, Best Girl]

Originally posted by Metal Izanagi:

Saeko had a bad reaction to Ichiban, a guy she considered a true friend, acting *really* stupid and impulsive by proposing pretty much out of nowhere on their first date after years of being friends. On top of that, he managed to phrase it all in the most stupid way possible. That she still cares about him after what would come across as a huge betrayal of that friendship to anyone at their age says a lot about her being a pretty good person.

If your immediate reaction is "she's a b****" you're exactly the kind of person Adachi and Nanba's lecture was aimed at lmao. Like yeah, it was a pretty harsh reaction but again it was their first freaking date after years of being friends! Humans react emotionally to upsetting situations.

My immediate reaction was: "This is not in character for her, what ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ is this writing, maybe it was her twin - it'd be stupid, but it'd make sense for her to act so COMPLETELY OUT OF CHARACTER. But no, we instead find out that she cares about him SO MUCH to completely cut him off and ghost him for over a year, not even ask about him after the Tatara incident. She was completely irrational and overreacted in the STUPIDEST way possible to someone who, may I remind you, has saved both her sister AND her father, and she knows what he's like from the beginning that he is awkward, that he obviously meant well, didn't even say anything that horrible, and her reaction was to lie to his face and walk away. Such appreciation for a friend that has done so much for her.

If you're going to call THAT whole accidental proposal "upsetting" you need a thicker skin.

[Metal Izanagi]

Originally posted by Lord Ainz:

Originally posted by Metal Izanagi:

Saeko had a bad reaction to Ichiban, a guy she considered a true friend, acting *really* stupid and impulsive by proposing pretty much out of nowhere on their first date after years of being friends. On top of that, he managed to phrase it all in the most stupid way possible. That she still cares about him after what would come across as a huge betrayal of that friendship to anyone at their age says a lot about her being a pretty good person.

If your immediate reaction is "she's a b****" you're exactly the kind of person Adachi and Nanba's lecture was aimed at lmao. Like yeah, it was a pretty harsh reaction but again it was their first freaking date after years of being friends! Humans react emotionally to upsetting situations.

You completely missed the point and wow talk about the most twisted view on relationships ever.

Bruh if you think that's a "twisted" view on relationships you need to get out more.

[At@At]

Originally posted by Metal Izanagi:

Saeko had a bad reaction to Ichiban, a guy she considered a true friend, acting *really* stupid and impulsive by proposing pretty much out of nowhere on their first date after years of being friends. On top of that, he managed to phrase it all in the most stupid way possible. That she still cares about him after what would come across as a huge betrayal of that friendship to anyone at their age says a lot about her being a pretty good person.

If your immediate reaction is "she's a b****" you're exactly the kind of person Adachi and Nanba's lecture was aimed at lmao. Like yeah, it was a pretty harsh reaction but again it was their first freaking date after years of being friends! Humans react emotionally to upsetting situations.

No it's a weird reaction. For someone who you care about you'd either accept, reject, talk to them or yell at them and then talk to them a relatively short while later (A week or two at most. Earlier if something happens like Ichiban getting cancelled, losing everything he care for, heading off to Hawaii to find his mom, etc). You don't ignore them, pretend nothing is wrong and then ghost them, while expecting them to figure it out and hoping to maybe work something out. You don't do all of that together to someone you actually care about. Ppl throw around the word toxic too much but what she did is very toxic especially compared to Ichiban because at least we know Ichiban generally means well and just has his foot in his mouth. It's played for laughs but it's assumed she does it again at the end of the game. If that's her reaction everytime Ichiban makes her mad then it's not going to realistically work out.

Reading through these comments has me questioning do people actually think EVERYTHING that she did altogether is normal or are they copying relationships in highschool anime or really cheesy romances (Neither of which takes it to this level)? In-character-wise it doesn't make much sense for either character to act like how they did. You can barely shrug off Ichiban as an idiot but even that's stretching it for me. Saeko is completely out of character since she's supposedly a mature adult. She understands Ichiban enough that she knows how he is so she doesn't just break the relationship but she still expects him to figure it out? I get that she's mad but it just seems vicious cuz she knows how Ichiban is and probably knows that would hurt him like hell. His friends mean the world to him and him knowingly screwing up but not sure how to make things right is like plunging a knife into him. Nanba of all people gets it in his drink-link. To drag it out even with everything else going on is just insane.

As an aside: This reminds me of a Manga I read that essentially takes this to the extreme about an abusive relationship where the wife sees the world only in her POV. The husband does something bad but doesn't fully understand why it hurts his wife so much. Misunderstandings lead to less communication leading to more misunderstandings leading to less communication to the point where she completely ghosts her husband. She ends up drawing a line down the middle of their house not allowing the husband to cross and tries to get their daughter to also pretend that her husband doesn't exist. The husband doesn't understand what he's done wrong but accepts blame because he knows he's not personable enough to understand others very well.