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If that is the case, then maybe she should have openly said, "We're not okay and here is why."
Or, "I don't want to see you anymore and here's why,"
Instead, she said, effectively, "No big deal. We're still cool and what you said wasn't really all that bad. I'm used to it and I'll always be there for you and have your back."
Sorry mate. It isn't being an incel to have her use that message, and then ghost him, and find that the words and the actions don't match. That is Saeko badly communicating. In fact, her entire drink link more or less revolves around wanting to know what Ichiban is up to, implying how much she misses him, getting catty and jealous that he may have moved on to Chitose, etc. It is classic romcom "miscommunication comedy".
You can make the argument that her reaction was realistic, but then look at her own drink link. She has ZERO PROBLEM saying the equivalent of "f*** off and I never want to see you again" to the other guy who proposes marriage to her later on. Heck, she has no problem telling that to the guy who won't leave her alone on her date with Ichiban. Her being willing to communicate openly is well established with her character.
She could have fixed her relationship with Ichiban at any time of her choosing by just being honest with him. And Ichiban stopped following up when she didn't respond to his text. He's left her alone and given her distance. NOT a stalker.
I am FAAAAAR from Ichiban's biggest fan but he's not to blame for the situation here. Yes, his proposal was BEYOND stupid. Yes, his apology missed the mark. But he has in no way acted like a stalker.
But Saeko isn't just giving him NO direction, she's giving him MISLEADING direction. She's telling him verbally one thing while her actions tell a completely different story. He's not the brightest bulb to begin with so no wonder he's confused.
People are like that.
The whole point of my thread was not "is this a normal reaction", it was "this is a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ reaction", which I see you agree with. The fact that people are _STILL_ Malding over what was effectively an innocent question is mindboggling to me. @.@ I'm just going to unsub from the thread, because clearly women like me cannot have an opinion that differs from the "norm". 9.9
Oh do quit throwing around "incel" just because she got criticized, it's embarrassing. And from what I saw I didn't see anything claiming she was "satan incarnate", just that she was a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ friend, which she was. If you had simply "stated" your opinion that would be one thing, but a bunch of people just insulted others in the posts, so they're hardly innocent. Thankfully, I got my answer, and since I've finished the game, Saeko herself admitted she was in the wrong even if the apology was kind of pathetic, so the "she did nothing wrong" argument is kind of silly at this point. The writing for her is handled so badly it's a disappointment, but hopefully in the next game if they use her, they make the necessary corrections for a bunch of characters and take actual continuity into account.
That's awesome for you, I usually follow most stories if they make sense. Saeko's doesn't, with her background and connection to Ichiban. So to sum it up, I asked a question, with the intent of following up the narrative. Some People lost their FLIPPING MINDS because I dared criticize a female character that I felt was written poorly as her actions (heck the ENTIRE thing between them) made no freaking sense. The malding masses kind of put me off following up on said narrative with their toxic attitude and I have since moved on. People are allowed to not like characters you know, she's hardly the first one.
"If that is the case, then maybe she should have openly said, "We're not okay and here is why."
Or, "I don't want to see you anymore and here's why,"
Instead, she said, effectively, "No big deal. We're still cool and what you said wasn't really all that bad. I'm used to it and I'll always be there for you and have your back."
Ok this is just you wanting to hear and what YOU want the character to behave.
"You can make the argument that her reaction was realistic, but then look at her own drink link. She has ZERO PROBLEM saying the equivalent of "f*** off and I never want to see you again" to the other guy who proposes marriage to her later on. Heck, she has no problem telling that to the guy who won't leave her alone on her date with Ichiban. Her being willing to communicate openly is well established with her character."
The other guy who proposed was friends with someone who wanted to prey on Saeko's club and he didn't do much to stop his friend, even if he was really in love; it's something very unfitting considering what happened, ruthless from her, yeah buuut at least there was a reason of why she shifted gears with that guy, like kiryu said "she just didn't knew her feelings and she just didn't knew how to comunicate"
"She could have fixed her relationship with Ichiban at any time of her choosing by just being honest with him"
Considering how after all that he was on Hawaii and how not even anyone on the party checked out on him except for Namba and Adachi who called him when they were there, then I doubt he could even care about fixing a failed relationship, hell he was more busy enjoying hawaii than cying for her
"But Saeko isn't just giving him NO direction, she's giving him MISLEADING direction. She's telling him verbally one thing while her actions tell a completely different story. He's not the brightest bulb to begin with so no wonder he's confused"
Again like Valium said this kind of behaviour is something that some people do to not make other uncomfortable, something normal, yep it's not apropiate but it happens and with "long term friends" it's even worse
I find it ironic that you're inaccurately using the term like so many do when they want to invalidate someone's opinion, then say it's "incel energy" to call out a flaw on a character, and then in the same breath you say "you shouldn't take it so seriously" when a majority of the white knights defending her are taking it FAR too seriously, and the ones pointing out her flaw are incorrectly being insulted, attacked, and called incels. Take your own advice, stop taking people's opinions so seriously, step away from the computer and touch grass.
For a whole year? Ignoring him for a full year with everything that is happening to him?
Okay, sure, for the sake of argument, let's say that people can be like that. It doesn't mean that she isn't being a trash friend in the process.
Two things can BOTH be true: Saeko's reaction can be deemed a "realistic" one...AND she can be acting despicably and being a very bad friend.
It doesn't have to be one or the other.
You're really bad at breaking up quotes into bite sized packages. It makes it hard to read and respond to your posts because your comments and mine aren't separated out. But I will try.
No, it isn't. You're flat wrong. This is ACTUALLY what she said in response to Ichiban's apology. Look it up on Youtube. She LITERALLY asked if what he said was really all that bad, said she heard similar and worse from the club all the time, and that everything was fine and she would always have his back.
That isn't what I want to hear or how I want the character to behave. It is LITERALLY in the game. This is what she said, followed by him ghosting him. She lied to him that things were fine and then dropped him like fourth period French class.
My point being that she has the ability to communicate clearly when she wants to do so. She could have expressly told Ichiban what her problem was. Instead, she lied and ghosted him.
This is just...not all that complicated to understand. She lied to him and then ghosted him. That's what people, even people like me who don't like Ichiban, have a problem with. Sure, you can echo what Velium said and call it "realistic". Or you can say that it is just what "women" or "the Japanese" do.
And others can have a problem with that. As I pointed out to him, these things don't have to be mutually exclusive. My opinion is that the character treated Ichiban badly by lying directly to his face and then cutting off all contact.
It is an opinion shared by a great many people.
Again, just flat wrong. The game SHOWS him pining away for her on multiple occasions. It shows him being blatantly hurt by the rejection and not understanding why. His thoughts are on her the entire way. I don't think she deserves that level of loyalty, but throughout the game he explains to multiple other people that he's still in love with her.
Such as when Chitose is manipulating her at their first encounter at Arkane's house and doing her seduction act. He openly declines because he's still pining away for Saeko a year later. During the final chapter of the game, it is still on his mind and the most important conversation he has after he talks with Kiryu and Kiryu finally leads his royal dumbness to what he did wrong and he throws a massive hissy fit about what an idiot he is.
To say that he is just off having fun in Hawaii and has no interest in patching things up with Saeko is so blatantly wrong on the facts that I seriously wonder if you played the game at all.
And it clearly had the exact opposite effect. It devastated Ichiban. Something that anyone who has known him for more than five minutes would know...and something Saeko's drink link shows she DOES know.
She's pissed at him in the drink link. She isn't distancing himself for HIS sake. She's angry about it and lied about being angry about it. She isn't doing the distancing thing to spare Ichiban's feelings.
If you cant stop and get it through your thick ass skull despite the solid point thrown at you then hope you find yourself a saeko, just dont cry to your moma when she hurt you. Said my piece