Judgment 3

[[DNG]2P]

I dream that Jin Kuwana joined the main characters. Takayuki Yagami and Jin Kuwana as dual main characters. Lost Judgment was awesome origin for Kuwana

[someoneproud]

That would be cool. Kuwana was a great character but he's probably too immoral to be a protagonist, they've never really been big on anti-heroes or having the player/MC do openly criminal stuff. I really hope they put out a Judgment 3 though, even if they have to replace/recast Yagami.

LJ's overall the best game RGGS has ever put out imo and I'd look forward to J3 way more than anything else they could be making.

[NisseDood]

Make Higashi the protag.

[Valk]

Originally posted by someoneproud:

That would be cool. Kuwana was a great character but he's probably too immoral to be a protagonist, they've never really been big on anti-heroes or having the player/MC do openly criminal stuff. I really hope they put out a Judgment 3 though, even if they have to replace/recast Yagami.

LJ's overall the best game RGGS has ever put out imo and I'd look forward to J3 way more than anything else they could be making.

Kuwana honestly wouldn't be a good protag period though. He only works as the antagonist for LJ. His entire character is built around the arc which already finished. The moment LJ has finished, Kuwana's entire scheme came falling down. The only way you could now bring him back as a protaganist or even supporting character would be to basically write him a brand new personality, at which point you might as well make a new person instead. This is the point where you start to go "for ♥♥♥♥♥ sake RGG can you just NOT force kiryu in there" etc, because it feels forced rather than natural.

It is just surface deep stuff where people are like "ooh x is good as protag" without actually thinking about why or how it would work, without thinking about if there's even room for it.

[someoneproud]

@Valk Who's to say that's his entire arc though? I wasn't saying he should be a protagonist but he's a great character and I'm sure there's more they could do with him if they really wanted to.

What's Kiryu got to do with it? Characters don't have to stay in the same static mould with 1 story each and having a character appear in 2 games is hardly forcing him in, it's just not at all equivalent.

If you can't imagine a natural way in which Kuwana could be incorporated into J3 then you should probably think a little harder tbh but whatever, your lack of imagination isn't my problem.

[Valk]

Originally posted by someoneproud:

@Valk Who's to say that's his entire arc though? I wasn't saying he should be a protagonist but he's a great character and I'm sure there's more they could do with him if they really wanted to.

What's Kiryu got to do with it? Characters don't have to stay in the same static mould with 1 story each and having a character appear in 2 games is hardly forcing him in, it's just not at all equivalent.

If you can't imagine a natural way in which Kuwana could be incorporated into J3 then you should probably think a little harder tbh but whatever, your lack of imagination isn't my problem.

I brought up Kiryu bc of how many people are kinda sick of him being brought back constantly into the series. He hasn't really had much reason to be in the last few games he has been in other than for fan service. Kuwana would be in a similar situation. His entire arc revolves around bullying. If J3 isn't a story about bullying, why would he find it to be that relevant when he's now off on a crusade to try and end school bullying without romping around doing what he did before.

[E.P.D. Gaffney]

Originally posted by Valk:

I brought up Kiryu bc of how many people are kinda sick of him being brought back constantly into the series. He hasn't really had much reason to be in the last few games he has been in other than for fan service. Kuwana would be in a similar situation. His entire arc revolves around bullying. If J3 isn't a story about bullying, why would he find it to be that relevant when he's now off on a crusade to try and end school bullying without romping around doing what he did before.

I am a fan. Putting Kiryu in games to serve me is not a problem. Kiryu should be in every game for ever. Not even just RGG games, either. He should be the protagonist for literally all games. I am a little biased because we are getting married but that does not change what I have said here today.

[someoneproud]

Originally posted by Valk:

Originally posted by someoneproud:

@Valk Who's to say that's his entire arc though? I wasn't saying he should be a protagonist but he's a great character and I'm sure there's more they could do with him if they really wanted to.

What's Kiryu got to do with it? Characters don't have to stay in the same static mould with 1 story each and having a character appear in 2 games is hardly forcing him in, it's just not at all equivalent.

If you can't imagine a natural way in which Kuwana could be incorporated into J3 then you should probably think a little harder tbh but whatever, your lack of imagination isn't my problem.

I brought up Kiryu bc of how many people are kinda sick of him being brought back constantly into the series. He hasn't really had much reason to be in the last few games he has been in other than for fan service. Kuwana would be in a similar situation. His entire arc revolves around bullying. If J3 isn't a story about bullying, why would he find it to be that relevant when he's now off on a crusade to try and end school bullying without romping around doing what he did before.

But who's sick of Kuwana being brought back constantly to the series? Dude's been in one game, how is a few people being sick of Kiryu at all relevant or equivalent to whether Kuwana could appear for a second game?

Just seems like you wanted to squeeze in a little whine about Kiryu when it isn't at all relevant. Are you so obsessive in disliking Kiryu that you have to cram it into every conversation?

Ichiban's entire arc in 7 revolved around his dad and brother, why bring him back once that was resolved? Pretty sure they can just write new stories and new arcs for their characters, obviously they didn't really bother for 8, but that's not to say they can't.

[Valk]

Originally posted by someoneproud:

Originally posted by Valk:

I brought up Kiryu bc of how many people are kinda sick of him being brought back constantly into the series. He hasn't really had much reason to be in the last few games he has been in other than for fan service. Kuwana would be in a similar situation. His entire arc revolves around bullying. If J3 isn't a story about bullying, why would he find it to be that relevant when he's now off on a crusade to try and end school bullying without romping around doing what he did before.

But who's sick of Kuwana being brought back constantly to the series? Dude's been in one game, how is a few people being sick of Kiryu at all relevant or equivalent to whether Kuwana could appear for a second game?

Just seems like you wanted to squeeze in a little whine about Kiryu when it isn't at all relevant. Are you so obsessive in disliking Kiryu that you have to cram it into every conversation?

Ichiban's entire arc in 7 revolved around his dad and brother, why bring him back once that was resolved? Pretty sure they can just write new stories and new arcs for their characters, obviously they didn't really bother for 8, but that's not to say they can't.

It's rather simple: People weren't always sick of Kiryu, but rather, they started to become sick of Kiryu when his story ended, when the series shifted to a new style and protag, and RGG just couldn't commit to a game without Kiryu. They kept bringing him back. As much as I love Shinada, he should never return as a protaganist for this very reason too. At most he should be a substory character if he ever returns.

And just FYI, I like Kiryu being in the games. But I do agree with people that its almost taking the piss how many times he has "died" or "tried to hand the series over" at this point.

Whilst there's only one Kuwana game at the moment, say he did become almost like Judgment's Majima. How long before he suddenly just becomes a super generic guy who is only in the games to counter Yagami's lawful nature. Not for any character development, just simply for that. Much like Majima.

[someoneproud]

But all of that is presuming that they don't have anywhere to take him. I get not wanting more Kiryu focused games, even if I don't agree. He has had a bunch of games and a bunch of story and it's hard to see what else they could do with him at this point other than a reunion. Kuwana isn't in the same position at all though.

You sure are quick to complain about Kiryu being in the games (even when the topic is something else) for someone who likes him being in the games... Sure seems like him having a couple of cameo roles in the latest entries really grinds your gears. He's barely in 7 and he's basically just Ichiban's party member in 8, yet still living rent free in haters' heads.

They keep Kiryu around because a lot of people like Kiryu, you don't have to agree with them but there's really no need to get bent out of shape because he makes a couple of minor appearances either. Share your toys.

I agree that if they're gonna use him they should do something with him other than just cameos. If they have a new story for him I'd like to see it in a Gaiden 2, but I'm doubtful they have ♥♥♥♥ in that regard.

You're jumping the gun a bit friend, I'm talking about Kuwana being in J3, not him becoming Majima. Any character can become tiresome and over-used (it's happening to Ichiban already after only 2 games imo) but it's a little premature to declare someone as such after 1 game.

Consider Yamai then? He's been in 1 game, is a foil to the protagonist and his story is wrapped up in 8. Would you say he shouldn't be in 9 because maybe, possibly, in 3 games time they might run out of ideas and people might be sick of him? That's just poor reasoning which could be used to discount the return of almost any characters.

[ValentB]

I can see them reusing big Yakuza locale again and taking the team to Hawaii.

[someoneproud]

Originally posted by ValentB:

I can see them reusing big Yakuza locale again and taking the team to Hawaii.

Yeah reckon they're almost certainly gonna reuse Hawaii, it'd be a waste not to tbh. I could see it making a great backdrop for a mystery adventure in J3, 'murder in paradise' might be a little tropey but it's easy to see it working.

[Lizard]

Judgment 3 is not gonna happen ever.

[someoneproud]

Originally posted by Lizard:

Judgment 3 is not gonna happen ever.

What else do you see in the tea leaves, Oh wise one?

[Valk]

Originally posted by Lizard:

Judgment 3 is not gonna happen ever.

Judgment 3 might happen, but almost certainly not in the next 4 years. Seeing as Yokoyama stated not that long ago that right now, there's not a Judgment project (full stop, not a DLC, not a remake, not a remaster, and not a sequel) in development right now.

[Lizard]

Are you two living under a rock? They had a feud with Yagami's actor casting agency, they are not gonna work with him ever again