Sea God's Talisman is useless am I the only one? (thread finished and solved)

[Nurse Dio]

After exchanging at the shrine fortunes for the Sea God's Talisman it's stats looked amazing for 30 pts.

-Perfect guards EVADE attacks ENTIRELY
-Decrease the perfect window for PERFECT GUARDS

Sorry for the caption but I just wanted to iterate that's what it's suppose to do in battle, but low and behold it made guarding against enemies worse and the evade button even more so difficult that it says it can supposedly do.

I have tested this with substory 46 (spoilers) Where you fight against a group of enemies all level 46, with one ally (granted I was level 31 but the point is we are testing this talisman) and I would evade one and not do perfect guards against the rest of the 7-8 man group. After several revives of money spent, I decided to do it without the Sea God's Talisman, and perfect guards worked flawlessly I could block 90 percent of everyone that attacked me.

I did this with normal enemies without the high level difference and same thing, the sea god's talisman was useless. This talisman does not what it says or sets out to do, and I know it's not a player skill issue because blocking without the talisman is much easier. I would like any thoughts on this.

[Amarantamin]

It works exactly like it says it does. It decreases the timing window for Perfect Guards. This makes them harder to pull off. The exchange is that if you master the new timing, you don't get hit.

[Nurse Dio]

Originally posted by Amarantamin:

It works exactly like it says it does. It decreases the timing window for Perfect Guards. This makes them harder to pull off. The exchange is that if you master the new timing, you don't get hit.

If that's the case I have replicated this fight with substory 46 about 10 times, and I would press the prompt and evade once, press it again another time at the same exact moment and it still doesn't activate, I have repeated this and tried to learn the time window but it seems random.

New timing or not it still doesn't fully do what it says it does.

[Crispy]

So why exactly isn't it working like it should? Did you receive dmg on a perfect block or not? If an enemy attacks you 3 times, you have to perfectly block 3 times to avoid all the incoming dmg... I don't get your point, sounds like a skill issue to me.

[Nurse Dio]

Originally posted by Crispy:

So why exactly isn't it working like it should? Did you receive dmg on a perfect block or not? If an enemy attacks you 3 times, you have to perfectly block 3 times to avoid all the incoming dmg... I don't get your point, sounds like a skill issue to me.

Show me a video of you evading the enemy three times in a timely manner, heck try doing it on substory 46 where It's only you and another ally (side character) and do perfect dodges against 8 people attacking on all sides, I could do perfect blocks with all of them without the Talisman. Skill and it working intended are two different things, sounds like you have a comprehension issue to me.

[Ignosius]

The talisman makes it harder to perform perfect guards in the first place. Being able to do it successfully less often is literally the intention of it. With a smaller window, you will fail more often unless you're absolutely perfect at it.

If you evade damage completely when you do manage to time it right, then it sounds like it's working as intended, and it's a skill issue.

Your ability to block consistently without it has nothing to do with your ability to block with it equipped.

[imag2OOO]

low key one of the best items in the game lol it strait up negates dmg

especially since most attacks are super telegraphed theres only a few attacks u actually need to try for

[Nurse Dio]

Originally posted by Ignosius:

The talisman makes it harder to perform perfect guards in the first place. Being able to do it successfully less often is literally the intention of it. With a smaller window, you will fail more often unless you're absolutely perfect at it.

If you evade damage completely when you do manage to time it right, then it sounds like it's working as intended, and it's a skill issue.

Your ability to block consistently without it has nothing to do with your ability to block with it equipped.

Again I will say the same thing

Show me a video of you evading the enemy three times in a timely manner, heck try doing it on substory 46 where It's only you and another ally (side character) and do perfect dodges against 8 people attacking on all sides, I could do perfect blocks with all of them without the Talisman. Skill and it working intended are two different things,

This item is not consistent I have tried it again. It works the first time when dodging, after words it doesn't dodge after doing the perfect block, it's not a skills issue, it's the game saying screw you, this item was not meant to be used to dodge 8 attacks coming at all sides. I would need to see someone actually doing it correctly on a video before saying its a skill issue. Where they dodge every single time period. Otherwise I will say the item does not work always and only a certain limit of time.

[Ignosius]

I don't use the item, personally. I prefer more consistency. It's entirely possible that it really is bugged, but you haven't given any hard evidence of it.

Since you've described it working correctly at least some of the time, it sounds like you're most likely just not timing it right.

[Legendary Mr. Tiddles]

Nobody's perfect. It's OK to mistime a button press once in a while. I miss most of my regular blocks myself and it's no big.

[Nurse Dio]

Originally posted by Ignosius:

I don't use the item, personally. I prefer more consistency. It's entirely possible that it really is bugged, but you haven't given any hard evidence of it.

Since you've described it working correctly at least some of the time, it sounds like you're most likely just not timing it right.

I can recreate the dodging on substory 46, it always lets you dodge once, afterwards it won't let you do it multiple times is my conclusion. let me itterate "We don't have evidence but at least I've tested it in experience. " Since I've used the item personally.

[Nurse Dio]

Originally posted by Legendary Mr. Tiddles:

Nobody's perfect. It's OK to mistime a button press once in a while. I miss most of my regular blocks myself and it's no big.

You are missing the point, I'm ok with missing a button once in while, I'm not ok with an item that dodges and works one time out of the 8 people that attack me. Meaning it's more likely a bug. If you can recreate this I'll end this discussion and say my praises like an adult. I'm not perfect either I block 80 to 90% of the attacks that hit me. Only once I know how they attack and I did the samething in the substory 46. They all hit the same, they all have the same weapon. So I pressed the button the min they touch my body, and I can only dodge once, as they kept hitting me back and forth. There's a limit in the game itself.

[Legendary Mr. Tiddles]

Originally posted by Nurse Dio:

Originally posted by Legendary Mr. Tiddles:

Nobody's perfect. It's OK to mistime a button press once in a while. I miss most of my regular blocks myself and it's no big.

You are missing the point, I'm ok with missing a button once in while, I'm not ok with an item that dodges and works one time out of the 8 people that attack me. Meaning it's more likely a bug. If you can recreate this I'll end this discussion and say my praises like an adult. I'm not perfect either I block 80 to 90% of the attacks that hit me. Only once I know how they attack and I did the samething in the substory 46. They all hit the same, they all have the same weapon. So I pressed the button the min they touch my body, and I can only dodge once, as they kept hitting me back and forth. There's a limit in the game itself.

Are you making the point that it, for some reason, will only dodge one blow from a string of attacks? Because put this way it sounds believable (and simple enough to understand).

[Meneluma]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3154839666

I did get up to 4 evades in a row on that encounter(of 4 different enemies with different timings), since I'm over 10 levels below the enemy level of substory 46 that amulet was the only way I could clear that as early as I did, combined with a def boost from food and the Cooler Shower skill.

From what I've seen, if you perfect evade the first of a 3 hit combo the rest auto miss, not sure if that is the bug, but it was like that for me. (I was expecting it to be like Sekiro Shadows Die Twice where you need to parry everything)

I could do it even earlier, but even with the ability to use Poundmates to clear the last wave, I'm not sure how much I want to deal with the RNG of the hacker drone striking or inflicting charm before I even get a turn on the last wave

[Nurse Dio]

Originally posted by Meneluma:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3154839666

I did get up to 4 evades in a row on that encounter(of 4 different enemies with different timings), since I'm over 10 levels below the enemy level of substory 46 that amulet was the only way I could clear that as early as I did, combined with a def boost from food and the Cooler Shower skill.

From what I've seen, if you perfect evade the first of a 3 hit combo the rest auto miss, not sure if that is the bug, but it was like that for me. (I was expecting it to be like Sekiro Shadows Die Twice where you need to parry everything)

I could do it even earlier, but even with the ability to use Poundmates to clear the last wave, I'm not sure how much I want to deal with the RNG of the hacker drone striking or inflicting charm before I even get a turn on the last wave

Thanks I was about to ask how you cleared the last wave, because I also evaded 3 times after posting this discussion afterwards, but for me it did not do the auto parry and I defeated the first wave with my ally getting lucky and hitting the enemy together, since they were closed up making almost all of them to half there health. Thus I used the satelite laser that cost 100 mp to finish the rest of the first wave.

I should have used the ability of the pundmates to finish the last wave, I salute you sir, you are the only that had the grit to prove my hypothesis down. Other comments were less than helpful as much as they tried to help, Now im gonna use your tactics on substory 46 especially using poundmates I appreciate it.

[Meneluma]

Originally posted by Nurse Dio:

I should have used the ability of the pundmates to finish the last wave, I salute you sir, you are the only that had the grit to prove my hypothesis down. Other comments were less than helpful as much as they tried to help, Now im gonna use your tactics on substory 46 especially using poundmates I appreciate it.

No worries, it is nice to see someone on this forum who isn't being contrarian just for the sake of it.
Glad to have provided help instead of saucy comments.