Has Denuvo = No Money for you Sega

[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

I wonder how many sales this anti-consumer software will save /sarcasm

[Kennedy]

Originally posted by TEIN:

Originally posted by Micke:

Will not buy this on PC because of Denuvo, might buy on PS5 (disc release) though.

Unsure what the logic here is, if you're worried about performance then I don't think you should be. RGG's implementation of Denuvo is usually quite flawless, I have an RX 580 & an i7-9700, not great specs but I can still run this game pretty damn fine rarely dipping under 60 on max settings w/ FSR 3.

otherwise you're still giving money to the company and both Valve & Sony take exactly 30% from sales afaik.

Performance is not the point. The point is access. The Microsoft Store already had issues with this game apparently, where Denuvo wouldn't unlock it for the customer to play. And if Denuvo goes broke one day and the service goes offline, all Denuvo games will be locked. The publisher has to remove it afterwards for you to be able to access it again. That is the main issue. And looking at video game history and support of older games by their companies, this point is more than valid.

Meanwhile pirates can play the game as if nothing happened. Increased performance without Denuvo is just another bonus for them. Denuvo is anti-customer and I want to see the gaming-community, once its service goes offline. The publisher could care less, since you already paid.

[MancSoulja]

Originally posted by Kennedy:

Originally posted by TEIN:

Unsure what the logic here is, if you're worried about performance then I don't think you should be. RGG's implementation of Denuvo is usually quite flawless, I have an RX 580 & an i7-9700, not great specs but I can still run this game pretty damn fine rarely dipping under 60 on max settings w/ FSR 3.

otherwise you're still giving money to the company and both Valve & Sony take exactly 30% from sales afaik.

Performance is not the point. The point is access. The Microsoft Store already had issues with this game apparently, where Denuvo wouldn't unlock it for the customer to play.

That's because the game wasn't out on the Microsoft store, like the Xbox, the game launched at 00:00 local time on Jan 26th on the Microsoft store.

Originally posted by Kennedy:

And if Denuvo goes broke one day and the service goes offline, all Denuvo games will be locked. The publisher has to remove it afterwards for you to be able to access it again. That is the main issue.

This isn't true either, Denuvo allows publishers to host their own activation servers seperate from irdeto's. Warner already host their own activation servers and it's because of their downtime that Denuvo gets such a bad rep regarding server stablility

Originally posted by Kennedy:

Meanwhile pirates can play the game as if nothing happened. Increased performance without Denuvo is just another bonus for them. Denuvo is anti-customer and I want to see the gaming-community, once its service goes offline. The publisher could care less, since you already paid.

Another falsehood, Denuvo cannot be removed from games it can only be bypassed, even in pirated games, Denuvo is still running in the background, so any perceived increase in performance is a placebo.

[aseinsha]

To be fair, Denuvo does suck.

[Kennedy]

Originally posted by MancSoulja:

Warner already host their own activation servers and it's because of their downtime that Denuvo gets such a bad rep regarding server stablility

Customers can't access their product because of Denuvo, while pirates could. Point still stands. And again, it's not about performance. Having one fps less because of it doesn't make the game unplayable. A DRM with no positives for the customer whatsoever, causes this performance loss, though.

If you want to fight piracy, fight the illness not the symptoms. Never heard of a piracy issue from studios making cheaper games, or using Denuvo. It's always the butthurt mega-corps, pushing out "AAA" garbage. Make the product affordable in countries with less income for instance, where the piracy problem is coming from in the first place. No need to punish your entire player base. Be less greedy. Problem solved.

[Doug Dimmadong]

Originally posted by Yílõng Má:

I wonder how may filthy pirates are crying and being jealous on r/PiratedGames and r/Crackwatch right now because they can't play lol :lol_tk:.

Denovo has never stopped pirating. There is not a single anti-piracy measure that ever worked. It's just wasted money and bloatware for consumers. It's a losing battle, like trying to stop people using Adblock. But companies need to pad out their expenses and things like Denovo help with that.

[MancSoulja]

Originally posted by Doug Dimmadong:

Originally posted by Yílõng Má:

I wonder how may filthy pirates are crying and being jealous on r/PiratedGames and r/Crackwatch right now because they can't play lol :lol_tk:.

Denovo has never stopped pirating. There is not a single anti-piracy measure that ever worked. It's just wasted money and bloatware for consumers. It's a losing battle, like trying to stop people using Adblock. But companies need to pad out their expenses and things like Denovo help with that.

Denuvo absolutely stops piracy. There's literally only one person in the world capable of cracking Denuvo games, her name is Empress and she only cracks games she wants to play. JRPGs never get cracked, Persona 5 Royal came out in 2022 and still hasn't been cracked.

[Kalgert]

Originally posted by Kennedy:

Originally posted by MancSoulja:

Warner already host their own activation servers and it's because of their downtime that Denuvo gets such a bad rep regarding server stablility

Customers can't access their product because of Denuvo, while pirates could. Point still stands. And again, it's not about performance. Having one fps less because of it doesn't make the game unplayable. A DRM with no positives for the customer whatsoever, causes this performance loss, though.

If you want to fight piracy, fight the illness not the symptoms. Never heard of a piracy issue from studios making cheaper games, or using Denuvo. It's always the butthurt mega-corps, pushing out "AAA" garbage. Make the product affordable in countries with less income for instance, where the piracy problem is coming from in the first place. No need to punish your entire player base. Be less greedy. Problem solved.

Or, you know.
Also make the games good and not make yourself look like you want to fight with your customers or people interested in playing the game.

It's always funny to me how games that can be pirated (Sometimes even having the developers themselves give a thumbs up to pirating sites while just asking for people to buy if they like the game) actually do really well regardless if the games are pirated or not. Meanwhile there are these people who seem absolutely convinced that piracy = ultimate evil that must be stopped.
I wonder why that is? What drives people to thinking this way?

[Anime-Profile-Picture]

I used to feel the same but honestly I don't even care anymore. I'll be disappointing if it starts getting used for literally every game but look, its the publishers right to use it. Its literally the ONLY THING that stops piracy. THAT'S IT. Can I blame publishers for using it considering that's the case? I can't really, its just the free market.

[ShillHog]

The shills. 🤣

[Anime-Profile-Picture]

Originally posted by Yílõng Má:

I wonder how may filthy pirates are crying and being jealous on r/PiratedGames and r/Crackwatch right now because they can't play lol :lol_tk:.

Here's the thing, (I DON'T CONDONE PIRACY right now don't ban me), torrent ♥♥♥♥ all the time, but I 100% do not begrudge publishers for using denuvo. As I said in my first comment, its entirely fair enough. I do agree with OP though that there are reasons other than just being a pirate to dislike denuvo. Oh also the people who torrent games aren't pirates. The people who actually crack the games and are the original source of the cracked files are pirates. Just some minor terminology you've gotten wrong that's all.

[herbstwerk]

Originally posted by Kennedy:

If you want to fight piracy, fight the illness not the symptoms. Never heard of a piracy issue from studios making cheaper games, or using Denuvo. It's always the butthurt mega-corps, pushing out "AAA" garbage. Make the product affordable in countries with less income for instance, where the piracy problem is coming from in the first place. No need to punish your entire player base. Be less greedy. Problem solved.

While I agree to a certain degree that making it easier to legally obtain stuff legally (digital distribution, reasonable regional pricing, ...) does curb piracy to a certain degree, some people (and I'm not talking a small fringe group) that will never buy if they can get something for free. There's a reason why countries like the US, France, Germany, and the UK seem to show up near the top of the pile when it comes to piracy. Not what you would call 'poor' countries.

And the "Never heard of a piracy issue from studios making cheaper games" is a big pile of BS. If you don't have to budget to implement a DRM that holds up better than wet tissue paper it's not worth crying over lost revenue - just lie down, cry a little, and take it. If your title is even remotely worth playing it will be available to anyone for free within hours after release, all you can hope is that people care enough to not just take but buy it.

[Kingsleaze]

Originally posted by min3r95:

Originally posted by Kingsleaze:

Do you get mad at anti-theft tags on expensive items in stores, or homes with security systems? Are you offended when folks lock their car doors, or lock their bikes up?

Is your rig so broke down and archaic that Denuvo causes performance issues?

There are some serious problem with that logic
if i bought something from the supermarket and it have a security tag on it, the staffs or guards would likely to remove the tag once i paid for the item, then i can just use it however i like, Denuvo on the other hand stay in the game after the transaction and it have a forced online authorization that can block offline play and limit how long you can stay offline with the game. So i less likely to have a problem with the security tag than Denuvo.

Same thing about the houses and cars, i have less problem with their security systems because those are....their properties.

Now If i bought a house or a car, then i'm going to get mad if the house or car security systems give me trouble or just outright blocking me or force me to do some online authorization BS before i can use it.

Houses and cars security measurements benefits the owners, Denuvo benefit customers nothing.
If i buy a house or a car i should be able to use them without any restriction, if i buy a videogame i should be able to play it without any restriction.

DRM doesn't protect the customer, it protects the publisher. Being pro-seller isn't automatically anti-consumer. To think so is an entitled, immature take on the subject.

[Flare]

they put denuvo because they knew people would pirate the ♥♥♥♥ of the game with NG+ behind a 20€ dlc

[E.P.D. Gaffney]

Originally posted by herbstwerk:

There's a reason why countries like the US, France, Germany, and the UK seem to show up near the top of the pile when it comes to piracy. Not what you would call 'poor' countries.

Even if you're poor in a first-world country, it makes technology more readily available to you. Internet access alone is a privilege in most of the world (ironically where much of the material for all these electronics are extracted from), whilst in the countries mentioned here it's basically a given, even if you're on the poorer side for said country.

['Strict]

Originally posted by TEIN:

Originally posted by Yílõng Má:

I wonder how may filthy pirates are crying and being jealous on r/PiratedGames and r/Crackwatch right now because they can't play lol :lol_tk:.

do you really think piracy is that awful? I mean I see why it can be awful when you're pirating a game from an indie studio or something along those lines but this is SEGA so I get why people would go that route, $70 is nothing to them. It's also not like most people pirate because they simply want to - it's almost always a reason that comes down to the fact that they wouldn't have paid for the game either way (e.g: they can't afford it, they aren't that interested in the game, etc) therefore the company would not have lost the money *either way*.

So basically......why do cars have locks? 80.000 Euro is nothing to Volvo !
And people that would steal a Volvo wouldn't have bought one anyway cause they couldn't afford it or wasn't that interested in it but they would actually prefer a Ferrari...but the Ferraris have locks....