Arcane weaver and pyromancer are just terrible?

[GaviJa]

No damage at all except for full chaos builds.

They feel so underwhelming compared to paladin, barb or rogue

[Gargoyle]

Incorrect, i did a full arcane exposed/vulnerable build with the Arcane Weaver and cleared Curse T7 with it. Though i do struggle with the Pyro, just gotta find the right build. Thinking getting blast mastery for more melting debuff skills.

[Arqwart]

Arcane Weaver is easily one of the top 3 best characters in the game. So much so that their main unique skill had to be heavily nerfed cause it made them able to be practically invulnerable. Even the changes to Exposed didn't indirectly nerf them much. Just aim for beam skills or all arcane stuff. Watch as you have insane clear and fantastic boss killing while also enjoying their crazy cast speed and bonus XP.

[Ulyaoth]

Hi,

Arcane Weaver used to be one of the strongest chars in the game.
The basic Skills are incredible powerful and dont need any fine tuning to make this class run CurseVII. With utelizing Skill Mastery Runes, like with every class, you can build a powerful beast, themed around multiple main tags, especially "Arcane".

Pyromancer is a bit more tricky, but gets heavy carried with the new ascendent skill, when you stick to the basic skill pool. With Skill Mastery Fire Rune you cna build one of the most overpowered builds in the game. Since Fiery Blades do damage depending on Burn/Melt Stacks and are Summons that roam around and shredd everything.

With both chars and a well planned build you can melt through CurseVII Loop3+, like with other chars.

if you want specific Builds, feel free to ask.

Cheers!

[SoULLeSs]

Arcane Weaver for me is a lot easier to play then pyro, and when I play pyro I play a shadow build, the fire one doesn't seem to work, it's doable even in higher curses but it takes a lot of efforth when compared with other builds. Maybe it's me who's messing with the fire build but I would choose shadow build all the day

[Gargoyle]

Originally posted by Trix:

Arcane Weaver for me is a lot easier to play then pyro, and when I play pyro I play a shadow build, the fire one doesn't seem to work, it's doable even in higher curses but it takes a lot of efforth when compared with other builds. Maybe it's me who's messing with the fire build but I would choose shadow build all the day

Hmm with pyro grab the Swing Mastery to get Fiery blades (3x-6x) and get Singular focus xD. Stack tons of burns/melt and those blades will delete bossed on Curse7.

[karendor]

with pyro you can take the last weapon with the second power, "shadow gathering" (i don't know the real name in english ), it is a strong spell, and better if you can take it several time with the good rune, you need the shadow rune for taking other doom spell like the vortex.

[Linearch]

I just build vulnerable/exposed + multicast + lightning AoEs on arcane weaver. It's good.

On Pyromancer you can get Fire mastery and Swing affinity (not inclination) for Fiery Blades (or rather just go play Spellblade last weapon lol). It's a shame that Conflagrate doesn't scale with burn stacks. Heck, it deals small damage and doesn't apply any status effect, unlike Putrefy. Heat Explosion is nice though.

[twitch.tv/GFYE]

Arcane has one of the best passive runic skills in the game that scales really aggressively. Just focus on 2 primary tags of your preferred skill types and a finisher " + damage per stack" Arcane weaver also has the innate arcane shield active as a later unlock and that thing makes LaVa FlOoR less spicy.

Pyro? Just run low cooldown, high hit count actives and pick ALL burn passive upgrades after getting + 5 into doom. Fire Blades summon ftw. Stack fire and melting damage, even without the summon ALL dot builds work. Pyro suffers without 2 slot Fire Mastery,

[Mokkun]

This thread is over a year old. Necroing it to talk about things that don't exist (passive skills don't reduce your damage, and you can't go to Curse 65), is not helpful.

[Assume I have 400 Ping]

Originally posted by darkinpresser:

Originally posted by Mokkun:

This thread is over a year old. Necroing it to talk about things that don't exist (passive skills don't reduce your damage, and you can't go to Curse 65), is not helpful.

idk if you are just brain dead or stupid but any player here who has played the game knows i was talking about the 62 curses that you can have active at one time and how getting passive skills seems to lower the overall damage that you do or at least for me that's what is happening.

why are you messaging in here seem the thread is over a year old?? just type nothing and leave

the OP said that the Pyro is a bad class to play yet my post seems to disprove that apart from the clear bugs that are happening on this game.

the Pyro would of been good 1 year ago aswell unless the game has had major overhauls to how pyro works..

but you saying that my post is not helpful is not true seem i was hitting over 100 bill damage within the 25 min mark and after getting passives i'm now not getting close to that and when i turn off passives my damage goes up. i have tested this

more then anything the post you have typed brings nothing to the discussion or is even helpful seem any VET player would of understood that i made a simple mistake with the amount of curses that i typed out. i meant to put 62 not 65 but i guess you think humans are not allowed to make any mistakes seem that just means they are fake or lying about something.

the rudeness you show to members of the community and new players is just unacceptable and it shows that you clearly hate the community and any player who types something out that you clearly don't like seem you can't just disagree and bring up some of the gameplay that you have done and testing that you have done.

btw me calling you brain dead or stupid is what happens to people who disrespect me for no reason seem you type something stupid and you are gonna get something stupid in return.. i would not treat you with the same level of disrespect if you just treated me with respect in the first place but i guess that is to much to ask from someone like yourself.

I guess going into 2025 people are still not gonna understand how to treat others with respect and just treat others nicely seem the Discussions are about the community coming together and talking about stuff.

everyone on this game is gonna have a different view point on stuff and is gonna come across stuff that others are not so the stuff i'm coming across might just be a very game breaking bug that few players have came across but NOOOOOO we can't just be respectful can we and just be nice to others.

strangely not every player is gonna come across game breaking bugs or come across many of the same issues when playing a video game seem that is kinda why its called a bug within the game seem some players will find it and others won't so what is happening to my game save must just be a bug that i need to report.

instead of just saying that it might be a bug due to you meaning "Mokkun" not coming across that instead you like to be disrespectful and put things like "Necroing it to talk about things that don't exist" when in my game i am clearly coming across this issue with Lower Damage and Much Lower Movement Speed to the point it makes the game way way harder or maybe i'm not understanding something about the 62 curses that affect the gameplay aswell.

the only comment in this form you have typed is this

"This thread is over a year old. Necroing it to talk about things that don't exist (passive skills don't reduce your damage, and you can't go to Curse 65), is not helpful."

you have NOT added to anything in this form yet you are trying to dictate to me what forms i'm allowed to type in and being disrespectful towards me just because i typed in a form that is over a year old (who cares?) i will type in whatever form i want to regardless how old the form is and you Mokkum will shut up and leave me and others alone seem you are not helpful or being useful to the community.

If Mokkum you are incapable of showing respect towards others and treating others nicely then just never type in any Discussion Form ever again just be Silent seem the Community don't need the BS you are bringing to the Discussion.

TLDR: Get some mental help if two sentences sends you into a hour long rant.

[Ulyaoth]

Originally posted by darkinpresser:

Just wow...

Not only necroing an old thread with a post that has a very large glowing sign with "SALT" on it, your wall of text clearly shows something isn't right here.

Originally posted by Assume I have 400 Ping:

TLDR: Get some mental help if two sentences sends you into a hour long rant.

This summs it up pretty good.
Woudnt say "get mental help", instead maybe hug a tree or touch grass.

Originally posted by darkinpresser:

for the Pyro i have found that Gathering Shadows is the most pointless active skill out of all of the skills for the pyro..

Why? In which context?
It is known to the devs that there is a huge imbalance between Builds in general or individual Skills.
For the general maximum difficulty the game has to offer, which yields some kind of rewards (Curse 36 at Danger Level 14 up to Endless/Overlord 3) everything is useable.
Everything above is optional and shoudnt be the balance point.

So w/o further elaboration why this skill is pointless, its just a rant and doesnt help any type of constructive discussion.

Originally posted by darkinpresser:

also the dev always lowering Movement Speed is dumb af seem my movement speed seems to always be stuck at -5% or 15% but i'm very very very slow so i can't do anything and idk what is causing my movement speed to be so slow
trying to play this game with basically no movement speed is stupidly hard and the dev keeps lowering movement speed for certain classes then that just ruins them..

Again, this is a rant and your personal experience, which will likely be different from others.

Slow Characters can be harder to play, if you dont know how to counter this problem.
Well placed and tactical dodges make a huge difference.
Also again:
For the general maximum difficulty the game has to offer, which yields some kind of rewards (Curse 36 at Danger Level 14 up to Endless/Overlord 3) everything is useable.
Everything above is optional and shoudnt be the balance point.

W/o further elaboration no one can tell why you are slow.
(Webs from Spiders could be an option, since they can give you multiple slow Stacks)
I usually end up with too much MS at 300%+, but this is my personal expereince.

Originally posted by darkinpresser:

also i have found that the more Passive Skills you invest into the less damage you do overall regardless of difficulty i think its a game breaking bug or something.
with the Pyro i was hitting over 100 Bill damage within 25 mins and now with the same build with 65 curses active and with some Skill Points invested into the skill trees i'm now not even able to hit 10 bill damage in a 30 min run.. idk wtf is going on with this game but what ever it is this game is broken.

This is definetly false.
If you run into a BUG here, making a report in the BUG Section with Screenshots and detailed explanation is advised.
Your decription just sounds like you had one round with very lucky passiv rolls and one round with very unlucky passive rolls.
Probably everyone had this experience when doing multiple runs in a row with the exact same setup of Runes and Active Skills.

TL;DR

Originally posted by Mokkun:

This thread is over a year old. Necroing it to talk about things that don't exist (passive skills don't reduce your damage, and you can't go to Curse 65), is not helpful.

Indeed.


While your initial post could have been helpful with less salt and more details and maybe in a new thread, since in the past 1 1/2 Years ALOT happend to both classes and NOTHING pre your post applies to both chars anymore,
your "Wall of Text" maybe describes what you shoud do:

Originally posted by darkinpresser:

If you are incapable of showing respect towards others and treating others nicely then just never type in any Discussion Form ever again just be Silent seem the Community don't need the BS you are bringing to the Discussion.

You demanding respect while giving a bad post, where you are disrespectful towards the devs in a thread that is out of date and contains nothing of use for a todays discussion.

Cheers and happy Holydays!