We need to show developers they cant keep getting away with gacha games.

[Deity]

Everyone needs to stand together and boycott the game until they get the message that no one wants or likes gachas. It is unacceptable in this day and age, if companies want to make money off of new characters they need to make them DLC not multi-hundred dollar investments.

[DivineLion]

you have no idea about the market, especially in Asia where gacha is big. even if this fails in the west, i doubt it will in Asia

[Deity]

arashi( ◜‿◝ )님이 먼저 게시:

Rizgis님이 먼저 게시:

the lore is pretty good though, and rule34 I guess too xD

Nah man, I can't r34 Genshin. The characters are too wholesome

Shenhe

[Spimmy]

Deity님이 먼저 게시:

arashi( ◜‿◝ )님이 먼저 게시:

Nah man, I can't r34 Genshin. The characters are too wholesome

Shenhe

Eula.
Yelan

[Deity]

arashi( ◜‿◝ )님이 먼저 게시:

In all seriousness, I don't like the idea of gachas either. The ones I play on my phone are the ones that I believe to be generous and respectable. I get where OP is coming from though, having spent around $200 on Genshin back when it was an enjoyable game.

I'd like to know the science behind why people enjoy gachas instead of normal video games where you can get a similar level of satisfaction without having to spend precious resources (gems in the case of Genshin) to get something you want. And that's assuming you get what you want with those resources you spent time saving up.

The gacha system is fine the way it works, its the gambling aspect of it that makes it toxic. People shouldnt be tempted to spend hundreds to even thousands just to get decent characters.

[Deity]

DivineLion님이 먼저 게시:

you have no idea about the market, especially in Asia where gacha is big. even if this fails in the west, i doubt it will in Asia

If it fails in the US they will be forced to make a version of the game without the gambling part or at least the part where you are not able to spend money on gacha pulls.

[Deity]

DanielusDrachenberg님이 먼저 게시:

Deity님이 먼저 게시:

You really dont understand, the reason a lot of people are f2p is because it costs too much to spend, I guarantee a majority of the f2p players will spend if the costs decrease dramatically

The reason why many people are F2P is because they don't want to spend.

Most of those Games, including Genshin and ToF, also offer low-spender options like 5$ Monthly Cards, or 10$ Battlepass with very decent benefits, yet still they don't want to buy that either.

Most F2P Gamers just don't want to "spend a single dime" at these games, no matter what.

If it would be different, the industry would look different today. But it has shown over and over for countless years that games with e.g. Subscriptions don't work well anymore, outside of a big and old game like FFXIV.

And even a game like FFXIV is only making a fraction of the money that e.g. a genshin does, which is approximately 175 Million USD, every month!

You want to know why they dont spend the $5 on those passes? they arent rewarding enough and for you to even get a decent amount of stuff out of it you have to log in EVERY SINGLE DAY.

[Deathraven13]

Or just don't play gacha games.
It's like if you complained about hentai games or casino, don't like them ? Don't play it.

[DivineLion]

Deity님이 먼저 게시:

DivineLion님이 먼저 게시:

you have no idea about the market, especially in Asia where gacha is big. even if this fails in the west, i doubt it will in Asia

If it fails in the US they will be forced to make a version of the game without the gambling part or at least the part where you are able to spend money on gacha pulls.

I dont think they will force it. with how popular genshin is, i doubt that will be the case. lootboxes already exist in western games so have fun with trying to change that

[Deity]

Deathraven13님이 먼저 게시:

Or just don't play gacha games.
It's like if you complained about hentai games or casino, don't like them ? Don't play it.

I dont play casino games, but then again this isnt a casino game so why tf does it have gambling? People go to these games to have fun not to gamble hundreds of dollars.

[Deity]

DivineLion님이 먼저 게시:

Deity님이 먼저 게시:

If it fails in the US they will be forced to make a version of the game without the gambling part or at least the part where you are able to spend money on gacha pulls.

I dont think they will force it. with how popular genshin is, i doubt that will be the case. lootboxes already exist in western games so have fun with trying to change that

Genshin would literally lose out on a majority of their profits if they lost the US

[Cypherous]

Deity님이 먼저 게시:

Deathraven13님이 먼저 게시:

Or just don't play gacha games.
It's like if you complained about hentai games or casino, don't like them ? Don't play it.

I dont play casino games, but then again this isnt a casino game so why tf does it have gambling? People go to these games to have fun not to gamble hundreds of dollars.

I mean, gacha is where people go to gamble, its literally the reason the genre exists, its a casino with a pretty paint job

[twintailz]

Spimmy님이 먼저 게시:

Deity님이 먼저 게시:

Shenhe

Eula.
Yelan

shenhe and yelan fair enough, but eula? i just don't like looking at r34 stuff for games that i've played tbh.

[SalukaOfLand]

The only way to do that is don't play

[twintailz]

Deity님이 먼저 게시:

arashi( ◜‿◝ )님이 먼저 게시:

In all seriousness, I don't like the idea of gachas either. The ones I play on my phone are the ones that I believe to be generous and respectable. I get where OP is coming from though, having spent around $200 on Genshin back when it was an enjoyable game.

I'd like to know the science behind why people enjoy gachas instead of normal video games where you can get a similar level of satisfaction without having to spend precious resources (gems in the case of Genshin) to get something you want. And that's assuming you get what you want with those resources you spent time saving up.

The gacha system is fine the way it works, its the gambling aspect of it that makes it toxic. People shouldnt be tempted to spend hundreds to even thousands just to get decent characters.

according to the people that have played tof, it's quite f2p friendly. idk what gacha you're playing where dropping a ton of money results in just "decent characters".

[Deity]

arashi( ◜‿◝ )님이 먼저 게시:

Deity님이 먼저 게시:

The gacha system is fine the way it works, its the gambling aspect of it that makes it toxic. People shouldnt be tempted to spend hundreds to even thousands just to get decent characters.

according to the people that have played tof, it's quite f2p friendly. idk what gacha you're playing where dropping a ton of money results in just "decent characters".

Genshin