We need to show developers they cant keep getting away with gacha games.

[Deity]

Everyone needs to stand together and boycott the game until they get the message that no one wants or likes gachas. It is unacceptable in this day and age, if companies want to make money off of new characters they need to make them DLC not multi-hundred dollar investments.

[Slimurgical (Stormy)]

A. 100 10-dollar DLCs
B. Gacha-style MTX that probly costs just as much

These are both the same thing. Here's an idea: A Development Patreon linked in-game, game costs a 1-time upfront cost.

[Deity]

StormyStrife の投稿を引用：

A. 100 10-dollar DLCs
B. Gacha-style MTX that probly costs just as much

These are both the same thing. Here's an idea: A Development Patreon linked in-game, game costs a 1-time upfront cost.

They arent the same thing because the standard for gacha characters is $100-$200 for just one pull of the character

[Deity]

With $10 per super rare character more people can max characters out and spend on others and still not be getting ♥♥♥♥♥♥ over by the over priced pulls of normal gacha. And instead of catering to the 2% of the community they get around 70% of the community spending that $10 and it more than makes up for the high costs.

[Chucktheninja]

Play a gacha that actually has decent rates/is very generous with the rolling currency. Azur lane for example. I haven't put a cent into rolling for characters in azur lane and i have collected 75% of the characters in the game. Just playing and collecting the free currency they throw at you.

[Deity]

DanielusDrachenberg の投稿を引用：

Deity の投稿を引用：

With $10 per super rare character more people can max characters out and spend on others and still not be getting ♥♥♥♥♥♥ over by the over priced pulls of normal gacha. And instead of catering to the 2% of the community they get around 70% of the community spending that $10 and it more than makes up for the high costs.

I think you vastly overestimate the amount of people spending on Free Applications, especially on Mobile!

The usually expected amount of spenders (of any amounts) is considered somewhere in the 1%-5% Range, with the big ones being another minority inside there.

There are Whales in those games willing to spend 10.000$ per month and more! You would literally need countless thousands, rather tens of thousands of low spenders to even remotely compete with what those whales are spending.

And those people usually are also way more likely to stick around and keep throwing even more money at the game, due to Sunken Cost fallacy.

Someone be willing to pay them thousands per month is financially way more valuable than someone who might stingily gives them 10$ per month, assuming that their high expecatitons are met, and that they do it every month for years to come.

Yea I said 2% I didnt overestimate how many spend at all, I said if the cost majorly decreases the amount of people willing to spend will also majorly increase. 2% of whales in a community cannot compare to the money gained from 70% of a community spending...

[Tenri]

The game is F2P with Gacha. End of story. Move on

[Deity]

Tenri の投稿を引用：

The game is F2P with Gacha. End of story. Move on

I dont care if it is, all I'm trying to do is set an example that gachas need to go so that future games dont fall into the gacha system. Gacha is by far one of the most toxic systems for the game community and it has to be stopped before it spreads even more.

[Tenri]

Deity の投稿を引用：

Tenri の投稿を引用：

The game is F2P with Gacha. End of story. Move on

I dont care if it is, all I'm trying to do is set an example that gachas need to go so that future games dont fall into the gacha system. Gacha is by far one of the most toxic systems for the game community and it has to be stopped before it spreads even more.

I already said here. Along the years, gachas are evolving and becoming friendly every new one comes out. Honkai, Genshin and now Tower. The actual gacha is a looooooooot better that your initial idea of P2P with DLC. That one is most toxic system ever.

[twintailz]

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arashi( ◜‿◝ ) の投稿を引用：

Gacha games tend to be shallow af we should all get along and play sekiro or something LOL

the lore is pretty good though, and rule34 I guess too xD

Nah man, I can't r34 Genshin. The characters are too wholesome

[King T]

I like gachas

[twintailz]

In all seriousness, I don't like the idea of gachas either. The ones I play on my phone are the ones that I believe to be generous and respectable. I get where OP is coming from though, having spent around $200 on Genshin back when it was an enjoyable game.

I'd like to know the science behind why people enjoy gachas instead of normal video games where you can get a similar level of satisfaction without having to spend precious resources (gems in the case of Genshin) to get something you want. And that's assuming you get what you want with those resources you spent time saving up.

[Cele]

Gachas by themselves are not bad, in my opinion minors should stay away from them as they are basically gambling, but as an adult, I can see the appeal of betting and like any trend it's just a trend not all future games are gonna have gacha. Sadly regulation is gonna have to happen since the industry has failed to regulate itself, so yeah. This is where we are.

[twintailz]

DanielusDrachenberg の投稿を引用：

arashi( ◜‿◝ ) の投稿を引用：

In all seriousness, I don't like the idea of gachas either. The ones I play on my phone are the ones that I believe to be generous and respectable. I get where OP is coming from though, having spent around $200 on Genshin back when it was an enjoyable game.

I'd like to know the science behind why people enjoy gachas instead of normal video games where you can get a similar level of satisfaction without having to spend precious resources (gems in the case of Genshin) to get something you want. And that's assuming you get what you want with those resources you spent time saving up.

Well, Genshin is popular because it is a pretty high quality game, with an Open World. There aren't many games in this genre of such high quality, to be found.
This is why that game is so big and popular, because it offers something that casual players, or even non-gamers can like and connect with! Their marketing and advertising plus all the events are really top-notch!

The Gacha is something that most players rather accept, and not necessarily like, but still tolerate since the game behind has something to offer!

If we talk about all those low effort gacha games, then it is usually rather a matter of Gambling Addiction...

Yeah, I can definitely see that. From my perspective, since I play a ton of games, it's hard for me to ignore things I don't like. But, I can definitely see why casual gamers would be able to enjoy it.

Genshin has a ton of potential to be a great game. I'm not the kinda person that wants the game dead, I just want mihoyo to make improvements to a very flawed game so both hardcore gamers and casuals can enjoy it. If they do, I'd be willing to pick it up again.

[Deity]

DanielusDrachenberg の投稿を引用：

Deity の投稿を引用：

2% of whales in a community cannot compare to the money gained from 70% of a community spending...

But that was my point. You will not get 70% of F2P players to spend.

You really dont understand, the reason a lot of people are f2p is because it costs too much to spend, I guarantee a majority of the f2p players will spend if the costs decrease dramatically

[Deity]

Tenri の投稿を引用：

Deity の投稿を引用：

I dont care if it is, all I'm trying to do is set an example that gachas need to go so that future games dont fall into the gacha system. Gacha is by far one of the most toxic systems for the game community and it has to be stopped before it spreads even more.

I already said here. Along the years, gachas are evolving and becoming friendly every new one comes out. Honkai, Genshin and now Tower. The actual gacha is a looooooooot better that your initial idea of P2P with DLC. That one is most toxic system ever.

P2P is in no way toxic... its literally just buying a game to play it would be the same system as destiny, cod, halo, borderlands etc. its the system that most games use and it works well.