We need to show developers they cant keep getting away with gacha games.

[Deity]

Everyone needs to stand together and boycott the game until they get the message that no one wants or likes gachas. It is unacceptable in this day and age, if companies want to make money off of new characters they need to make them DLC not multi-hundred dollar investments.

[Hallowedsoul08]

I'm not spending a single penny in this game yet. I've don't got the money to whale on this game, and probably won't even if I was capable to do so.

My only issue with gacha game is the catch up for people who have not played in a while with games like genshin impact. There needs to have catch up mechanics for folks to get ahead.

[iExiiT[GER]]

Messaggio originale di Hallowedsoul08:

I'm not spending a single penny in this game yet. I've don't got the money to whale on this game, and probably won't even if I was capable to do so.

My only issue with gacha game is the catch up for people who have not played in a while with games like genshin impact. There needs to have catch up mechanics for folks to get ahead.

thats FoMo ... why dont you just play on your pace ? who cares if someone is ahead of you, either you play active or not, but if you dont want to or if you cant why should they let you catch up ? that way ppl. would stop playing active on purpose if they catch up anyways

[Reimuru]

Messaggio originale di Hallowedsoul08:

I'm not spending a single penny in this game yet. I've don't got the money to whale on this game, and probably won't even if I was capable to do so.

My only issue with gacha game is the catch up for people who have not played in a while with games like genshin impact. There needs to have catch up mechanics for folks to get ahead.

you dont need to pay lul if you want your drip them you pay i play genshin for example and i have all the units that i want i never pay for anything

[Lorche]

Messaggio originale di Deity:

Messaggio originale di Lorche:

buch of words.

Which is why I say its better to have paid access or have actual cosmetics instead praying on people with a gambling addiction is as low and scummy as a developer can get.

The difference with trading cards is they can be resold for a profit most stingy ass gacha devs dont let you sell your account.

People dont get their moneys worth back in characters though, if you are spending thousands of dollars you should be getting a high tier character at least every $5-$10

Thing is
1. Revenue from cosmetics and passes fluctuate. Not everything will be bought at same rate. Relying on those shaky roller coaster income model alone will endanger future funding for a game with zero entry bar. And not every new MMO can survive like the good ol' critically acclaimed MMO with free trial up to level 60 and with the award winning expansion Heavenswald included sub system.
2. when you lock characters as one time purchase DLC......in a free to play MMO game that has PvP content; that is arguably even worse move than just going F2P MMO with gacha. Things might will go truly P2W.
3. If you are spending in any online games with expectation that 'i hope this worth it' or 'i hope I get my money worth back', that is a wrong mindset. Online game by nature won't keep anything when the server shut down. All money spent on online game should be treated as "I give to the devs as a thanks for their hard work and I fully aware these money will be lost forever to me".
4. In-case I need to repeat myself........

Messaggio originale di Lorche:

.....This might be a controversial take, but players above legal age are fully responsible for their own spending. They can read and calculate the rates, they fully know that they can not get what they want in x pulls, they fully know their own monetary situations, they know themselves (either by self-discovery or others) if they are a completionist or having a gambling addiction (which gacha games encourage these kind of drives). If player knows all of that and still playing said game, by all means they are responsible for their own actions.

[Deity]

Messaggio originale di Lorche:

Messaggio originale di Deity:

Which is why I say its better to have paid access or have actual cosmetics instead praying on people with a gambling addiction is as low and scummy as a developer can get.

The difference with trading cards is they can be resold for a profit most stingy ass gacha devs dont let you sell your account.

People dont get their moneys worth back in characters though, if you are spending thousands of dollars you should be getting a high tier character at least every $5-$10

Thing is
1. Revenue from cosmetics and passes fluctuate. Not everything will be bought at same rate. Relying on those shaky roller coaster income model alone will endanger future funding for a game with zero entry bar. And not every new MMO can survive like the good ol' critically acclaimed MMO with free trial up to level 60 and with the award winning expansion Heavenswald included sub system.
2. when you lock characters as one time purchase DLC......in a free to play MMO game that has PvP content; that is arguably even worse move than just going F2P MMO with gacha. Things might will go truly P2W.
3. If you are spending in any online games with expectation that 'i hope this worth it' or 'i hope I get my money worth back', that is a wrong mindset. Online game by nature won't keep anything when the server shut down. All money spent on online game should be treated as "I give to the devs as a thanks for their hard work and I fully aware these money will be lost forever to me".
4. In-case I need to repeat myself........

Messaggio originale di Lorche:

.....This might be a controversial take, but players above legal age are fully responsible for their own spending. They can read and calculate the rates, they fully know that they can not get what they want in x pulls, they fully know their own monetary situations, they know themselves (either by self-discovery or others) if they are a completionist or having a gambling addiction (which gacha games encourage these kind of drives). If player knows all of that and still playing said game, by all means they are responsible for their own actions.

It isnt hard work that they spent on it though, its one character they are selling away for waaaay more than its worth...

[Waido]

Maybe speak for yourself?
I personally like gacha games. No one is forcing you to pay in gacha games. Ofc if you wanna collect everything and try to be on the top of leaderboards you will need to spend money. But no one is forcing you to play competitively.
For everyone else its an amazing way to play a game for free and let's face it nowadays many AAA titles that cost 60 or even 80 bucks now feel like a rip off. Because fun there isn't guaranteed either and you have to pay full prize up front and might just drop the game after a day because it sucks.

[Deity]

Messaggio originale di Waido:

Maybe speak for yourself?
I personally like gacha games. No one is forcing you to pay in gacha games. Ofc if you wanna collect everything and try to be on the top of leaderboards you will need to spend money. But no one is forcing you to play competitively.
For everyone else its an amazing way to play a game for free and let's face it nowadays many AAA titles that cost 60 or even 80 bucks now feel like a rip off. Because fun there isn't guaranteed either and you have to pay full prize up front and might just drop the game after a day because it sucks.

How are $60 triple A games a ripoff? Gachas are the ripoff

[Takashiro]

Messaggio originale di Deity:

Everyone needs to stand together and boycott the game until they get the message that no one wants or likes gachas. It is unacceptable in this day and age, if companies want to make money off of new characters they need to make them DLC not multi-hundred dollar investments.

Unfortunately some gamers have more money than common sense, they keep spending $ of these games and then complain when they turn P2W or have pull rates so low you end up spending 1000s on them.

[Tsuru]

We need to show consumers they dont need to buy things in gacha games.

[Draul]

Plenty of people enjoy gacha games.

[Injurious]

imagine not having enough self control to play a gacha game without complaining or worrying about spending, hear me out maybe if not being the best bothers you make your own gacha game where everyone is at an equal level 24/7

[Cypherous]

Messaggio originale di Tsuru:

We need to show consumers they dont need to buy things in gacha games.

Good luck with that, FOMO is very real :P

[freedomfletch]

Messaggio originale di Wolfsoldier5:

I share your dislike towards gacha/mobile/energy games but saying people don't like them is way off the mark.
Mobile games rack up WAY more money than any other platform, why do you think everyone is trying to join the mobile market?

Even if you were to remove the gacha aspect of these games, they have INSANE amounts or luck/rng involved and pepople will still play them.
If you ever heard or played Epic 7 or Summoner wars you will know what I am talking about.

Play Sword Art Online, might be good? I never played it so not sure.

omg, as pretty as Epic 7 looks and plays, that monetary system is extremely predatory.

[Splat ♥]

Messaggio originale di Deity:

Everyone needs to stand together and boycott the game until they get the message that no one wants or likes gachas. It is unacceptable in this day and age, if companies want to make money off of new characters they need to make them DLC not multi-hundred dollar investments.

naahh gacha games are the best ones

[Waido]

Messaggio originale di Deity:

Messaggio originale di Waido:

Maybe speak for yourself?
I personally like gacha games. No one is forcing you to pay in gacha games. Ofc if you wanna collect everything and try to be on the top of leaderboards you will need to spend money. But no one is forcing you to play competitively.
For everyone else its an amazing way to play a game for free and let's face it nowadays many AAA titles that cost 60 or even 80 bucks now feel like a rip off. Because fun there isn't guaranteed either and you have to pay full prize up front and might just drop the game after a day because it sucks.

How are $60 triple A games a ripoff? Gachas are the ripoff

60$ is more than 0$. How is playing for free a rip of?
And don't get me with mtx. Full prize games have more mtx than some gacha games.