We need to show developers they cant keep getting away with gacha games.

[Deity]

Everyone needs to stand together and boycott the game until they get the message that no one wants or likes gachas. It is unacceptable in this day and age, if companies want to make money off of new characters they need to make them DLC not multi-hundred dollar investments.

[ArielNugie]

Hungibungi eredeti hozzászólása:

Umm dunno whether u know this, but people play with genshin and tof cuz they like gacha… Also, new characters go into the standard banner after a while (where you can buy them guaranteed and even make them full stars as well, because standard pulls are given to u like candy)
*except collab characters, but that’s cuz of legal reasons, not cuz they wanna make it more p2w

Deity eredeti hozzászólása:

Yea but how much is the standard banner gonna cost? $2000 to max out a character and $6000 to max out their weapon?

This is not true for me cz I dont really like wasting money on Gacha. But Genshin Impact is fine, cz you get the resources to get the character anyway. I played since the dragonspine update and I never spend a single penny on a character. But, I can still play it until the endgame and I have fun with it. I even got almost all five stars I want in my account now without even spending. It's almost a steal for me. Also, you dont really spend any money when maxing out their weapons. As long as you have the resources saved up.

Also, I dont really like making the content DLC bacause like I said above, I dont really like spending money, and if theres DLC, you have to use money to get it. At least, in Gacha, theres a chance you get the premium content without even buying.

I dont know about ToF because I only tried it in beta so I cant really say anything about the gacha aspect on the game

Also. YES, Im stingy who wont spend any money on anything. Because I'm poor. The only money I've spent is the game I bought on steam and Welking Moon on Genshin Impact

[Little Rabbit]

If a game is good, regardless of being gacha or not. You will have fun without needing to pay. If you do pay you'll do so because you want to, not because you need to, or the game is making you feel like you need to or constantly shoving advertisements in your face.

I won't make any comparisons as they can easily be biased and seen as such. Gacha like DLC is one of the same. They are fine when they are done right. But more often than not, they are done only with greed in mind which is why they get mixed to bad reputations all over. That's why many once they see dlc or gacha written anywhere, they turn away.

[Rizgis]

Regardless of how much we as western playerbase can boycott, asian markets will make entire bank's worth of money, that's their core market.
Also, It's funny how only after Genshin was the facto first gacha game to recieve proper PC port everyone suddenly woke up to the reality of gacha games and keeps bringing it up as an example. xD

There are worse gacha games than Genshin.
There are better gacha games than Genshin.

I actually prefer gacha's honesty about the pull systems and, depending on the title, f2p potential compared to lazy DLCs, predatory MTXs, Season Passes and all that nonsense.
At least you don't pay box price for the priviliage to pay further in-game like a lot of western games do.

And this game is shaping up to be very f2p-friendly. Of course, issue of gambling addiction is there, but so is in western games that use these models.

Ultimately, these games are highly unlikely to go away anytime soon unless asia starts to boycott them, which they won't because f2p game model was pretty much normalised there.

[Deity]

Rizgis eredeti hozzászólása:

Regardless of how much we as western playerbase can boycott, asian markets will make entire bank's worth of money, that's their core market.
Also, It's funny how only after Genshin was the facto first gacha game to recieve proper PC port everyone suddenly woke up to the reality of gacha games and keeps bringing it up as an example. xD

There are worse gacha games than Genshin.
There are better gacha games than Genshin.

I actually prefer gacha's honesty about the pull systems and, depending on the title, f2p potential compared to lazy DLCs, predatory MTXs, Season Passes and all that nonsense.
At least you don't pay box price for the priviliage to pay further in-game like a lot of western games do.

And this game is shaping up to be very f2p-friendly. Of course, issue of gambling addiction is there, but so is in western games that use these models.

Ultimately, these games are highly unlikely to go away anytime soon unless asia starts to boycott them, which they won't because f2p game model was pretty much normalised there.

Yes but the difference is Genshin is actually a Console and PC game 99% of gachas are only on phone and phone games are almost always scams so no one really cares to play them anyway

[Deity]

Rizgis eredeti hozzászólása:

Regardless of how much we as western playerbase can boycott, asian markets will make entire bank's worth of money, that's their core market.
Also, It's funny how only after Genshin was the facto first gacha game to recieve proper PC port everyone suddenly woke up to the reality of gacha games and keeps bringing it up as an example. xD

There are worse gacha games than Genshin.
There are better gacha games than Genshin.

I actually prefer gacha's honesty about the pull systems and, depending on the title, f2p potential compared to lazy DLCs, predatory MTXs, Season Passes and all that nonsense.
At least you don't pay box price for the priviliage to pay further in-game like a lot of western games do.

And this game is shaping up to be very f2p-friendly. Of course, issue of gambling addiction is there, but so is in western games that use these models.

Ultimately, these games are highly unlikely to go away anytime soon unless asia starts to boycott them, which they won't because f2p game model was pretty much normalised there.

Gachas are fine if they are small in number what I do hate though, is why does an anime game ALWAYS HAVE TO BE A GACHA?

[Rizgis]

Genshin is

Deity eredeti hozzászólása:

Rizgis eredeti hozzászólása:

Regardless of how much we as western playerbase can boycott, asian markets will make entire bank's worth of money, that's their core market.
Also, It's funny how only after Genshin was the facto first gacha game to recieve proper PC port everyone suddenly woke up to the reality of gacha games and keeps bringing it up as an example. xD

There are worse gacha games than Genshin.
There are better gacha games than Genshin.

I actually prefer gacha's honesty about the pull systems and, depending on the title, f2p potential compared to lazy DLCs, predatory MTXs, Season Passes and all that nonsense.
At least you don't pay box price for the priviliage to pay further in-game like a lot of western games do.

And this game is shaping up to be very f2p-friendly. Of course, issue of gambling addiction is there, but so is in western games that use these models.

Ultimately, these games are highly unlikely to go away anytime soon unless asia starts to boycott them, which they won't because f2p game model was pretty much normalised there.

Yes but the difference is Genshin is actually a Console and PC game 99% of gachas are only on phone and phone games are almost always scams so no one really cares to play them anyway

Genshin is a mobile game with PC and console port, not another way around. That's why the world and gameplay still look rather simplistic compared to typical PC and console games, so it can run and share account across all gaming systems.
Truth be told, it is a much better game while played on PC or console but that's besides the point.

[Rizgis]

Also, almost every anime game is a gacha game because it is marketed first towards asian market where this type of game and monetisation system was normalised. Also mobile game is highly normalised that's why a lot of gacha games are mobile-only.

[Deity]

Rizgis eredeti hozzászólása:

Also, almost every anime game is a gacha game because it is marketed first towards asian market where this type of game and monetisation system was normalised. Also mobile game is highly normalised that's why a lot of gacha games are mobile-only.

Anime games would be so much more fun if they didnt focus on the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ gacha aspect though there are better ways to do it. Some of us want an actually well done anime game

[Rizgis]

There are good, standalone, full-price anime games, but I agree. There could be more of them coming out

[Deity]

Rizgis eredeti hozzászólása:

There are good, standalone, full-price anime games, but I agree. There could be more of them coming out

not really the only full price one I can think of is hyperdimensional luna or something and those games suck

[Rizgis]

Deity eredeti hozzászólása:

Rizgis eredeti hozzászólása:

There are good, standalone, full-price anime games, but I agree. There could be more of them coming out

not really the only full price one I can think of is hyperdimensional luna or something and those games suck

Hyperdimension Neptunia games are fun xD

But if they are not to your liking, Tales of Arise is another cool aime game. Atelier series are all neat little games, and Ryza games especially look and play very nice.

[Deity]

Rizgis eredeti hozzászólása:

Deity eredeti hozzászólása:

not really the only full price one I can think of is hyperdimensional luna or something and those games suck

Hyperdimension Neptunia games are fun xD

But if they are not to your liking, Tales of Arise is another cool aime game. Atelier series are all neat little games, and Ryza games especially look and play very nice.

I want an actual open world adventure anime game along the lines of genshin that actually focuses on the game and not on the gacha so that people actually have stuff to do

[Zalvern]

Deity eredeti hozzászólása:

Rizgis eredeti hozzászólása:

Hyperdimension Neptunia games are fun xD

But if they are not to your liking, Tales of Arise is another cool aime game. Atelier series are all neat little games, and Ryza games especially look and play very nice.

I want an actual open world adventure anime game along the lines of genshin that actually focuses on the game and not on the gacha so that people actually have stuff to do

Sounds like yearning for Blue Protocol. Which that game is on radio silence from Bandai Namco. Blue Protocol now being a ghost tale is why I am giving Tower of Fantasy a chance after participating in CBT2.

I have a few friends now interested in playing together with, that also were turning their noses up because the word "gacha". We discussed how to go about not letting that rule the end of day, and accept what is granted over time and involvement. I will never reject someone just because they lack a certain weapon. It's more about making what weapons obtained work, and if the player makes it work well that matters when being free to play.

Obsessing over the gacha aspect will lead to grievance towards the game quick. Players who want to be ToF enjoyers befriending others during game play, are the players I want to meet. I know there is going to be players out there seeking some quality social connections and game play together. The game gives off this chill vibe and I like its potential.

[Deity]

Zalvern eredeti hozzászólása:

Deity eredeti hozzászólása:

I want an actual open world adventure anime game along the lines of genshin that actually focuses on the game and not on the gacha so that people actually have stuff to do

Sounds like yearning for Blue Protocol. Which that game is on radio silence from Bandai Namco. Blue Protocol now being a ghost tale is why I am giving Tower of Fantasy a chance after participating in CBT2.

I have a few friends now interested in playing together with, that also were turning their noses up because the word "gacha". We discussed how to go about not letting that rule the end of day, and accept what is granted over time and involvement. I will never reject someone just because they lack a certain weapon. It's more about making what weapons obtained work, and if the player makes it work well that matters when being free to play.

Obsessing over the gacha aspect will lead to grievance towards the game quick. Players who want to be ToF enjoyers befriending others during game play, are the players I want to meet. I know there is going to be players out there seeking some quality social connections and game play together. The game gives off this chill vibe and I like its potential.

You see, the reason Gachas are so bad is because they limit the gear thats in the world, in genshin all the best weapons are locked behind a paywall. And dont even try to push it off saying epic weapons are free, thats not the point you always have a tier system in a game and when legendary gear is literally impossible to get without having a paid currency to obtain it then it becomes a problem.

But considering someone said this is a pvp game I really hope it doesnt end up the same way Kurtzpel did.

[Wolfsoldier5]

I share your dislike towards gacha/mobile/energy games but saying people don't like them is way off the mark.
Mobile games rack up WAY more money than any other platform, why do you think everyone is trying to join the mobile market?

Even if you were to remove the gacha aspect of these games, they have INSANE amounts or luck/rng involved and pepople will still play them.
If you ever heard or played Epic 7 or Summoner wars you will know what I am talking about.

Play Sword Art Online, might be good? I never played it so not sure.