Please do not listen to any P2W topics or posts!

[Aspen_Wolf]

I say this with the most respect because most people think gacha games are P2W but ToF you can be 100% free 2 play like me and many others and still get all the characters from the gacha even more so since world boss have a change to drop SSR weapon boxes (yes the gachas are weapons that come with a character skin) and you get the dark crystals and gacha currency by exploring the open world !

[ニート]

i love it how the fanbots just straight up asking people to be ignorant. ToF is gacha games first, which means it will always be p2w. i can't wait for new player's honeymoon phase to be over lol

[Sel Und Irae]

Escrito originalmente por ニート:

i love it how the fanbots just straight up asking people to be ignorant. ToF is gacha games first, which means it will always be p2w. i can't wait for new player's honeymoon phase to be over lol

Most the reviews i'm sure are paid or botted aswell, or just Blind fans who still haven't realized hackers are still running rampant. And yeah, My server was bridging on Death two weeks ago this game is gunna flop soon sadly they pushed away veteran players. And the new players unless they start on Fresh Server are gunna struggle due to how levels work.

[icepurple]

Escrito originalmente por Sir Seal The Slippery:

Escrito originalmente por icepurple:

Meryl/Nemesis/Frigg is one of the most annoying setups to fight against,and 2 of those 3 are premium weapons you currently cant even get anymore.

There are going to be rerun for almost every banner, and some will eventually go into the general pull.


Mostl likely the first banners to have a rerun will be Claudia and Nemesis. Probably by the end of the month, or early November.

You can compare here the schedule on CN, which global sould more or less audjust in coming weeks. Have a look here
https://toweroffantasy.info/banners

This is what I mean by planning ahead and being informed. Power is nothing without knowledge :)

[Sir Seal The Slippery]

Escrito originalmente por icepurple:

There are going to be rerun for almost every banner, and some will eventually go into the general pull.

https://toweroffantasy.info/banners

Mostl likely the first banners to have a rerun will be Claudia and Nemesis. Probably by the end of the month, or early November.

You can compare here the schedule on CN, which global sould more or less audjust in coming weeks. Have a look here
https://toweroffantasy.info/banners

This is what I mean by planning ahead and being informed. Power is nothing without knowledge :)

Im aware of that.
,,Should note at this point that ALL weapons are eventually going to be available for free later,without having to use the premium pulls.
But right now,none of them made it into regular gacha pulls,so its pretty p2w.''

But that doesnt make it any less p2w,as people spending money will always have access to the newest weapons and use them for their advantage,while others will have to wait months for a chance to get the weapons needed for pvp.
Planning alone only gets you so far.

Do you know anyone in the top 10 of your server who never spent any money on the game?
I dont,and theres a reason for that.
Would even surprise me to see a f2p player in the top 50,since almost everyone i play against,uses premium weapons.

[icepurple]

Oh yeah, there is no deny, gacha system sucks, period. And these studio behind Genshin or Tof are not offering anything really new.

This RNG system is old. I believe was first introduced with TERA back in 2010-2011, but without gacha trash. They pretty much copied the later introduce RNG f2p model from TERA, and added/changed a few things here and there.

The only old problem they solved affecting old generations of MMOs is the removal of botters/bots. Without trade and market, bots have no purpose.

[Sir Seal The Slippery]

RNG in mmo,s is much older than tera,wow had it,everquest did,ultima...
Basically everything with dungeons and/or raids,you usually need a lot of tries till you get the gear you actually want.
Some stuff even had a drop chance below 0,1%.
Assuming youre talking about general RNG,or perhaps you just mean the itemshop and i misunderstood.

I think gacha games as a genre,dont have to be automatically bad.
Like....its not too different from just farming rare gear in other mmorpg,s and collecting rare things has its own appeal.
The problem lies with the monetization.
For example,if a gacha game had no premium banners or anything like that,just general pulls everyone can earn while instead focusing on selling cosmetical items,that would be pretty good.
Unlikely to see this become a reality anytime soon though.

I would even be ready to pay a monthly subscription,but a lot of people these days dont want to do that anymore,which is part of the reason we saw a huge increase in p2w.

[Zane19]

ToF is NOT P2W. ToF is Pay to get ahead. You can still get/do the same things that whales can do as a f2p.

[Sir Seal The Slippery]

Escrito originalmente por ChocoElBanana:

Stuff

I never said you needed more than 1 copy of a character.
I said that i highly reccommend spending some cash.
The reason for this is that a free player has no guarantee of getting any of the premium characters.
You may have a 50% chance after enough pulls,but even that can fail.
If you spend enough money though,you can do more pulls,and that means you get more flame gold(or whatever the english name is,i play in german).
With 120 of those,you are 100% guaranteed to get the premium weapon you want.
A free player doesnt have this guarantee.


You wrote you enjoy destroying meryl/frigg/nemesis teams.
The majority of the playerbase(and this i base on the discord community and the pvp channel there),does not.
Youre also using frigg yourself,which is one of the strongest characters right now.


A good example for the p2w nature of the game:
I played since day 1,everyday.
Pretty much did everything and explored everything to 100% with the exception of the artificial island.
And im not a f2p player either.
When frigg dropped,i actually tried getting her but despite spending money,had no luck.
So now i have to wait till someday(who knows when that day comes),frigg is available again and then try getting her.
Till that happens,i have to put up with people using frigg,while im not able to do the same.


I didnt say more weapons make you more skilled.
However,i said that having access to more weapons gives you a advantage,which you agreed with yourself.
Thats the whole point im trying to make.
You and the friend you mentioned before,both use either frigg or nemesis,the strongest premium pulls available for pvp right now.
Not exactly the best point to make against p2w.
And yes,certain people will be able to outplay others and post fancy youtube clips and everything,i already stated that before.
But again,those guys are fighting at a dissadvantage,not having access to some of the strongest weapons limits you and makes you work harder for a win than other people.
If you and your opponent are of the same skill,the better setup decides who wins.

PS:The top 100 leaderboard varies from server to server,so performing well in 1 doesnt directly mean you would have gotten the same result on a different server.
As far as im concerned,there is almost nobody in my top 100 who doesnt use either frigg or nemesis.
Or worse,both.

[Sir Seal The Slippery]

Escrito originalmente por Zane19:

ToF is NOT P2W. ToF is Pay to get ahead. You can still get/do the same things that whales can do as a f2p.

Right now,no you cant.
Whales have have a 100% chance to get any premium weapon they want.
f2p players dont have this guarantee and for the time being,once you miss out on a banner,there is no way to obtain it anymore till this rumored,,rerun''of said banner happens.

[ChocoElBanana]

Escrito originalmente por Sir Seal The Slippery:

You can get basic weapons like meryl for free and yes meryl is a very good pick for pvp.
But if you want to get really competitive,id HIGHLY recommend spending some cash.

Uhm, no. in PVP you need just 1 copy of that character, you do not need to get dupes if you're focusing on PVP because all players on PVP are normalized and all of you are 6* weapons during the match. You don't need to be a spender to be great in PVP. I have Frigg & Claudia at 0* and I'm at Grand Marshal w/o spending money. The only thing that'll keep you from going up in rank is skill. I skipped Nemesis but I still managed to climb to Grand Marshal against teams that has her in almost all team comps.

Escrito originalmente por Sir Seal The Slippery:

You will always have those few exceptions where certain players make up for this dissadvantage with pure skill,but that doesnt change the fact that they ARE at a huge dissadvantage.
If they can beat someone with worse setups,imagine how well they would do if they had access to all banners.

Yep, this one I agree. Unfortunately this is a flaw of all Gacha games with combination combat systems not just ToF. Those that have access too early banners will have an advantage over others and will have to wait for reruns.

Escrito originalmente por Sir Seal The Slippery:

The sad reality is that almost everyone at the top uses the same setups,with slight variations.
I was there,made it to the top 30 for a while.
You encounter nemesis spammers who try to perma freeze you from afar,and you get the usual meryl+frigg encounter which is really annoying to fight against.

Meryl, Frigg and either Nemesis/Claudia/Huma are the teams that I actually enjoy destroying in PVP w/ my Claudia, Huma and Frigg team. Grand Marshal here Aestral-Noa SEA server.

Escrito originalmente por Sir Seal The Slippery:

Once i made it that far,almost every single opponent i fought,used 1 or more premium weapons,dont think i ever fought someone with basic stuff only.

Even F2P's will get multiple premium weapons in the long run because of reruns. I mean my F2P crew mate who has Coco, Meryl and Nemesis is at Grand Marshal, that's just 1 Premium weapon. His Nemesis is only at 0* since he only uses it for PVP since he's a Fire main

Escrito originalmente por Sir Seal The Slippery:

Now i barely make it to the top 70-90 and even there its a struggle.
The higher you climb up,the more premium weapons you will have to fight against.
And people wouldnt be using them if they were not what they are:
Better than regular weapons.

More Premium weapons does not equate to skill. I mean you can look at players on YouTube with only 1 or 2 limited banner weapons dominating players running a full limited banner team.

Skill will always be the best factor on a normalized PVP game. F2P's can just wait for a rerun if they missed a character due to lack of resources. Patience is one of the key factors of an F2P after all.

This game is actually one of rare games where even a F2P has a equal chance to beat a whale in PVP due to stat normalization system.

Finally if you're racing PVE content against whales then it will feel like P2W. if you're PVE focused player and trying to chase whales on PVE leader boards, STOP and slow down because you'll never catch them. Compete on your level, stop competing against PVE whales when you're not. Whales should only compete with other whales. If you're F2P, best to compete with other F2P's or at most, low spenders on PVE leader board ranks. They're just paying to speed up their CS growth but remember it's pretty much the same road so you'll eventually be doing harder content that they're doing in the long run if you're playing the game right.

[Sir Seal The Slippery]

Escrito originalmente por ChocoElBanana:

Escrito originalmente por Sir Seal The Slippery:

You can get basic weapons like meryl for free and yes meryl is a very good pick for pvp.
But if you want to get really competitive,id HIGHLY recommend spending some cash.

Uhm, no. in PVP you need just 1 copy of that character, you do not need to get dupes if you're focusing on PVP because all players on PVP are normalized and all of you are 6* weapons during the match. You don't need to be a spender to be great in PVP. I have Frigg & Claudia at 0* and I'm at Grand Marshal w/o spending money. The only thing that'll keep you from going up in rank is skill. I skipped Nemesis but I still managed to climb to Grand Marshal against teams that has her in almost all team comps.

Escrito originalmente por Sir Seal The Slippery:

You will always have those few exceptions where certain players make up for this dissadvantage with pure skill,but that doesnt change the fact that they ARE at a huge dissadvantage.
If they can beat someone with worse setups,imagine how well they would do if they had access to all banners.

Yep, this one I agree. Unfortunately this is a flaw of all Gacha games with combination combat systems not just ToF. Those that have access too early banners will have an advantage over others and will have to wait for reruns.

Escrito originalmente por Sir Seal The Slippery:

The sad reality is that almost everyone at the top uses the same setups,with slight variations.
I was there,made it to the top 30 for a while.
You encounter nemesis spammers who try to perma freeze you from afar,and you get the usual meryl+frigg encounter which is really annoying to fight against.

Meryl, Frigg and either Nemesis/Claudia/Huma are the teams that I actually enjoy destroying in PVP w/ my Claudia, Huma and Frigg team. Grand Marshal here Aestral-Noa SEA server.

Escrito originalmente por Sir Seal The Slippery:

Once i made it that far,almost every single opponent i fought,used 1 or more premium weapons,dont think i ever fought someone with basic stuff only.

Even F2P's will get multiple premium weapons in the long run because of reruns. I mean my F2P crew mate who has Coco, Meryl and Nemesis is at Grand Marshal, that's just 1 Premium weapon. His Nemesis is only at 0* since he only uses it for PVP since he's a Fire main

Escrito originalmente por Sir Seal The Slippery:

Now i barely make it to the top 70-90 and even there its a struggle.
The higher you climb up,the more premium weapons you will have to fight against.
And people wouldnt be using them if they were not what they are:
Better than regular weapons.

More Premium weapons does not equate to skill. I mean you can look at players on YouTube with only 1 or 2 limited banner weapons dominating players running a full limited banner team.

Skill will always be the best factor on a normalized PVP game. F2P's can just wait for a rerun if they missed a character due to lack of resources. Patience is one of the key factors of an F2P after all.

This game is actually one of rare games where even a F2P has a equal chance to beat a whale in PVP due to stat normalization system.

Finally if you're racing PVE content against whales then it will feel like P2W. if you're PVE focused player and trying to chase whales on PVE leader boards, STOP and slow down because you'll never catch them. Compete on your level, stop competing against PVE whales when you're not. Whales should only compete with other whales. If you're F2P, best to compete with other F2P's or at most, low spenders on PVE leader board ranks. They're just paying to speed up their CS growth but remember it's pretty much the same road so you'll eventually be doing harder content that they're doing in the long run if you're playing the game right.

Did you just delete your post and repost it?
There is a edit function mate.

Anyway,my reply to that was already posted above.

[ar2games]

It´s more like pay 2 progress a bit faster which might be worse. I´m still not sure about this game, graphics are good and the combat is better than genshin but it feels like an early access game and there are too many currencies that make me afraid of clicking something and buying hundreds of $ in crystals or wathever the premium currency is.