Please do not listen to any P2W topics or posts!

[Raze_Cerberus]

I say this with the most respect because most people think gacha games are P2W but ToF you can be 100% free 2 play like me and many others and still get all the characters from the gacha even more so since world boss have a change to drop SSR weapon boxes (yes the gachas are weapons that come with a character skin) and you get the dark crystals and gacha currency by exploring the open world !

[Sel Und Irae]

ToF is P2W the only reason it hasn't been is because its PvE Focus and all the whales get bored and keep leaving. P2W is classified as paying for an advantage majority of P2W Max new chars and get all 4 Chips maxed greatly augmenting power over just 3 star or max new char.

The Gacha Currency and Crystals from exploring world are limited you can get just over 50000 Crystal and Currency requires chips which come from Daily bounties.

Stop trying to lie to people, Thankyou.

[Xnaker Eyes ⭐⭐⭐]

also because you can buy vitality to progress faster, better opportunities to get your perfect gear sooner than f2p, all duplicates, all weapons, all chips and 60k+++ GS only whales can get.

[swbreawh.0w]

Originally posted by Hex: Raze Cerberus:

I say this with the most respect because most people think gacha games are P2W but ToF you can be 100% free 2 play like me and many others and still get all the characters from the gacha even more so since world boss have a change to drop SSR weapon boxes (yes the gachas are weapons that come with a character skin) and you get the dark crystals and gacha currency by exploring the open world !

THis game is more f2p than GI? umm yeah and thast why GI made more money than this game, most ptw more people gonna get addicted plus not put it on steam at launch GI save itself against review bombing and steam crying players who don't understand the gaming situation in 2022, cod pay to win being a 70 dollar game why not a ftp can be ptw too?

[Voltlighter]

Depends how you define P2W. Will you be noticeably stronger if you swipe? Sure. You can do all the same content as a free player though. Direct competition is only in bygone rankings and PVP. The former doesn't really matter. You'll get a few extra advancement tokens, but you get a lot from simply participating every week regardless. The latter is actually a balanced playing field. The advantage someone swiping might have in PVP is that they've unlocked every limited banner character; however advancements, level, and matrices get evened out. An a6 Ruby going into PVP is the same as an a0.
The biggest gap new players are going to experience isn't between them and whales, it's between them and the day 1 players who've gotten 10 weeks worth of resources, regardless of spending.

[Sir Seal The Slippery]

Look mate,i love ToF.
Its one of my favorite games right now.
But you do have to admit that it has some p2w components.
The arena pvp is equalized(same gear and lvl for everyone,all weapons maxed),which im thankful for.
But some weapons like venus,the first premium they released,make a HUGE difference in the arena,frigg is another one.
Im currently struggling to remain in the top 100 of my server because almost everyone has venus and/or frigg,and you can only get them with premium gacha pulls.
You can get some of those pulls for free,thats true,but if youre unlucky and you dont get it with those,you have to pay for additional tries before the weapons are gone.

Should note at this point that ALL weapons are eventually going to be available for free later,without having to use the premium pulls.
But right now,none of them made it into regular gacha pulls,so its pretty p2w.

[criscg2]

Yah! It's Pay to win cause they just smack you down in pvp, oh wait those are the hackers, not the whales. It's pay to win because the whales got no choice but to carry us more numerous non whales thru the raids! The dungeons! And the world bosses! Hoping for a whale on my next dungeon! You can tell when you caught one by the instance damage numbers on the upper left... This is the 'pay to win' reality of Tower of Fantasy. Appreciate you whales!

[Sir Seal The Slippery]

I did a lot of pvp and cant say i have ever faced a hacker.
Most times others talk about meeting a hacker in the arena,they just didnt understand how the healing of venus works,so they claim to get killed by people with,,god mode'',because they always have full health.
Whales definatly are a problem in pvp,because they are more likely to have access to better weapons for pvp than f2p players.

[criscg2]

Point taken. I should have taken reddit pvp horror stories about tof with a grain of salt. But I still see whales as a plus for PVE.

[icepurple]

Find me a Gacha that isn't pay to win.

[Sir Seal The Slippery]

Originally posted by icepurple:

Find me a Gacha that isn't pay to win.

See you again in 2049.
Maybe.

[icepurple]

Originally posted by Sir Seal The Slippery:

Whales definatly are a problem in pvp,because they are more likely to have access to better weapons for pvp than f2p players.

In pvp all gears are maxed out for each player. What can make the difference is having certain banners or not. Example, right now who pulled frigg or nemesis are favoured, but not invincible.

Compared to other p2w games, pvp in tof is pretty fair, gears don't make differences, only characters owned or not.

Different story is PvE leaderboard, where that's pretty much p2w, whale territory in the top5. However, if you play "SMART" even as moderate spender or f2p, you may still score top 5 in bygone for example.

[Sir Seal The Slippery]

Originally posted by icepurple:

Originally posted by Sir Seal The Slippery:

Whales definatly are a problem in pvp,because they are more likely to have access to better weapons for pvp than f2p players.

In pvp all gears are maxed out for each player. What can make the difference is having certain banners or not. Example, right now who pulled frigg or nemesis are favoured, but not invincible.

Yes gear is equalized,mentioned that in another post.
Thats good.
But having certain banners does indeed make a big difference,especially when youre trying to reach the top 10 of the leaderboard.
Meryl/Nemesis/Frigg is one of the most annoying setups to fight against,and 2 of those 3 are premium weapons you currently cant even get anymore.

It doesnt mean you will automatically win,but if you got frigg and nemesis,and your opponent only has access to,,normal''weapons,you have a much higher chance at winning,almost guaranteed if you and your opponent are of the same skill lvl.

Im not that worried about pve since its less competitive by design.
But i guess there are people out there who care about pve competition,which sucks even more for them.

[icepurple]

Originally posted by Sir Seal The Slippery:

Originally posted by icepurple:

In pvp all gears are maxed out for each player. What can make the difference is having certain banners or not. Example, right now who pulled frigg or nemesis are favoured, but not invincible.

It doesnt mean you will automatically win,but if you got frigg and nemesis,and your opponent only has access to,,normal''weapons,you have a much higher chance at winning,almost guaranteed if you and your opponent are of the same skill lvl.

The game is f2p, but every so called "free to play" is not intended to be played 100% a such. With monthly pass and battle pass, roughly 15 euro per month you can have a significant boost in the amount of pulls for ->limited banners<-.

A 100% f2p, if planned ahead can realistically pull for a guaranteed banner every 2 months. Light Spender like the 15-30 eu per month, perhaps one banner a month. Providing playing everyday activities.

However, the pull capacity is not the only thing one should focus, but rather, choosing a META TEAM. As of now, the most complete teams are Frost, followed by Flame (Ruby or Cobalt-B must have). For Volt and Physical, untill Lyra and Tiang Lang are released, are still missing key SSR to be completed. Yet, anything could change suddenly with introduction of new SSR that are not available yet on global.

So, why am I telling all of this? Because efficient teams can depend a lot on how you planned ahead and researched what is best for you. New players will have SSR slector BOX, very important! For example, If you want to pvp, you pick Meryl for pve King. And still, you need to consider which charaters you are missing to complete the team you aiming for.

If you did diligently all the above, you can have a very competitive team without owning every banner, where skill makes most difference.

[Sir Seal The Slippery]

Originally posted by icepurple:

Originally posted by Sir Seal The Slippery:

It doesnt mean you will automatically win,but if you got frigg and nemesis,and your opponent only has access to,,normal''weapons,you have a much higher chance at winning,almost guaranteed if you and your opponent are of the same skill lvl.

The game is f2p, but every so called "free to play" is not intended to be played 100% a such.

Thats correct,but usually developers try to focus on things that are,,convenient''or,,fluff'',at least when its done right.
Gw2,while not completely free(b2p)is a good example for this,you can even earn premium currency just by farming.
Money should never play a role when it comes to direct competition and players rightfully have a grudge against this.

Now,if someone would be playing 100% f2p,he has to rely on RNG to get access to certain weapons.
Even if you would use 80 premium pulls(which is a lot),you wouldnt have a guarantee to for getting the weapon you want.
Contrary to this,if you spend a huge ammount on the pulls,you can get your desired weapon 100% because eventually you will have 120 black gold to just buy the weapon directly.
Its just not realistic to rely on your luck alone,as a f2p player and it might take you many months to get a competitive setup.

You can get basic weapons like meryl for free and yes meryl is a very good pick for pvp.
But if you want to get really competitive,id HIGHLY recommend spending some cash.
You will always have those few exceptions where certain players make up for this dissadvantage with pure skill,but that doesnt change the fact that they ARE at a huge dissadvantage.
If they can beat someone with worse setups,imagine how well they would do if they had access to all banners.

The sad reality is that almost everyone at the top uses the same setups,with slight variations.
I was there,made it to the top 30 for a while.
You encounter nemesis spammers who try to perma freeze you from afar,and you get the usual meryl+frigg encounter which is really annoying to fight against.
Once i made it that far,almost every single opponent i fought,used 1 or more premium weapons,dont think i ever fought someone with basic stuff only.
Now i barely make it to the top 70-90 and even there its a struggle.
The higher you climb up,the more premium weapons you will have to fight against.
And people wouldnt be using them if they were not what they are:
Better than regular weapons.

[Phishfood]

you just need to treat this like a second job if you want all the content for free