So what are F2P players going to do for the next limited banner?

[Satyr]

Now that resources have dried up, and you have to poor literally everything you have into just getting a chance at 1 star nemesis, whats the plan for the next banner? I would love to hear what the apologists are going to do in order to get 80 pity on limited banners when no longer provided a source of dark crystals farm-able enough to probably even roll 10, let alone 80 or the 110 it takes to guarantee.

And no, they arent going to release enough content to get you 16,500 dark crystals. So what will you do. Swipe or just accept you aren't allowed progress and continue playing with your old characters that will absolutely get powercrept?

[Crown]

1 copy of nemesis is enough, you dont need to 1-star her, she'll be in standard banner later on

its 120 pity for guaranteed to buy it with tokens, u can still lose the 50/50 pity on the 80 pity

you need to be selective who you choose to summon for if you're going to be a competitive F2P player, if you dont care about the meta u can just try out your gacha luck and summon for who you like, pity from limited-banner carries over to the next one

[Null_User]

Managed to get the Nemesis/Venus character and guns. Also gut the scythe, the chakram, the shield, the negate cube and the SSR healing staff. The shield, the cube and the chakram are 1 star while the rest are at 0, but it's at least a way to see the weapons.

Though upgrading as a full solo casual who doesn't pvp just to be able to kill pve stuff quick enough in story is starting to get annoying as mob HP starts to pile up at higher levels. If future progression is walled by heavy grind that magically goes away with real money, then I personally see no issue leaving this game behind.

[GrandPa]

Publicado originalmente por Harrada:

Now that resources have dried up, and you have to poor literally everything you have into just getting a chance at 1 star nemesis, whats the plan for the next banner? I would love to hear what the apologists are going to do in order to get 80 pity on limited banners when no longer provided a source of dark crystals farm-able enough to probably even roll 10, let alone 80 or the 110 it takes to guarantee.

And no, they arent going to release enough content to get you 16,500 dark crystals. So what will you do. Swipe or just accept you aren't allowed progress and continue playing with your old characters that will absolutely get powercrept?

Well if there are no more ways to get black crystals like 100% a map and they don't add new content well f2p players just gonna leave.

[Cypherous]

Publicado originalmente por GrandPa:

Publicado originalmente por Harrada:

Now that resources have dried up, and you have to poor literally everything you have into just getting a chance at 1 star nemesis, whats the plan for the next banner? I would love to hear what the apologists are going to do in order to get 80 pity on limited banners when no longer provided a source of dark crystals farm-able enough to probably even roll 10, let alone 80 or the 110 it takes to guarantee.

And no, they arent going to release enough content to get you 16,500 dark crystals. So what will you do. Swipe or just accept you aren't allowed progress and continue playing with your old characters that will absolutely get powercrept?

Well if there are no more ways to get black crystals like 100% a map and they don't add new content well f2p players just gonna leave.

Well their map screen does indicate plans for a second area, although all that really does is delay the problem not solve it

A lot of gacha's do this anyway, after the initial spurt of resources to try and get you hooked they reduce the amount you get and basically make it so you're either forced to horde resources for eternity or insert your credit card, the latter is obviously what they are hoping for

But yeah they will end up shedding a lot of F2P players as they hunt for whales, its just the way this goes, the only winning move is not to play :P

[Satyr]

Publicado originalmente por Sage:

1 copy of nemesis is enough, you dont need to 1-star her, she'll be in standard banner later on

its 120 pity for guaranteed to buy it with tokens, u can still lose the 50/50 pity on the 80 pity

you need to be selective who you choose to summon for if you're going to be a competitive F2P player, if you dont care about the meta u can just try out your gacha luck and summon for who you like, pity from limited-banner carries over to the next one

This may be a temporary solution for the f2p player who comes into the game with a plan and strategically stunts their gameplay experience in order to hopefully get ahead in the future, but for the average player who comes in and gets what they can to enjoy the game in the moment, through the eyes of being an MMO, this leaves me with a lot of reservations on the games long-term population growth and retention.

A lot of players arent going to do that kind of planning at the cost of diminishing their early fun, and when they realize that its incredibly difficult to recover from that, they will most likely leave.

[Aidenel]

I got 35 red orbs saved up the F2P way.

[Satyr]

Publicado originalmente por Lenn:

I got 35 red orbs saved up the F2P way.

75 more to go for your only guaranteed shot at nemesis. Stay strong.

[Crown]

Publicado originalmente por Harrada:

Publicado originalmente por Sage:

1 copy of nemesis is enough, you dont need to 1-star her, she'll be in standard banner later on

its 120 pity for guaranteed to buy it with tokens, u can still lose the 50/50 pity on the 80 pity

you need to be selective who you choose to summon for if you're going to be a competitive F2P player, if you dont care about the meta u can just try out your gacha luck and summon for who you like, pity from limited-banner carries over to the next one

This may be a temporary solution for the f2p player who comes into the game with a plan and strategically stunts their gameplay experience in order to hopefully get ahead in the future, but for the average player who comes in and gets what they can to enjoy the game in the moment, through the eyes of being an MMO, this leaves me with a lot of reservations on the games long-term population growth and retention.

A lot of players arent going to do that kind of planning at the cost of diminishing their early fun, and when they realize that its incredibly difficult to recover from that, they will most likely leave.

average player and playing for the moment really don't mix well in combination with being a F2P, its not exclusive to this game that's just how it is with gacha's in general, its a combination of time/money/effort spend and if you're lacking in one of those categories, you have to compensate in the others to keep up

We are playing on the global version, so standard-banner units may stay relevant for longer since we have no idea how future powercreep units are going to turn out, with the trend of nemesis being nerfed compared to her CN version and units like shiro/huma being buffed, its pretty promising that adjustment will be made for the global versions specifically so you're not desperately in need of ALL banner units to succeed in PVE modes

Your monthly dark crystal income should be around 3000~ give or take, coming from 7-day login/weekly missions/crew/pvp/battlepass, it can fluctuate a bit depending on your ranking in pvp and such, and that is without maintenance compensation or events, so expect around 20~30 exclusive banner summons per month which is pretty generous

[Satyr]

Publicado originalmente por Sage:

Publicado originalmente por Harrada:

This may be a temporary solution for the f2p player who comes into the game with a plan and strategically stunts their gameplay experience in order to hopefully get ahead in the future, but for the average player who comes in and gets what they can to enjoy the game in the moment, through the eyes of being an MMO, this leaves me with a lot of reservations on the games long-term population growth and retention.

A lot of players arent going to do that kind of planning at the cost of diminishing their early fun, and when they realize that its incredibly difficult to recover from that, they will most likely leave.

average player and playing for the moment really don't mix well in combination with being a F2P, its not exclusive to this game that's just how it is with gacha's in general, its a combination of time/money/effort spend and if you're lacking in one of those categories, you have to compensate in the others to keep up

We are playing on the global version, so standard-banner units may stay relevant for longer since we have no idea how future powercreep units are going to turn out, with the trend of nemesis being nerfed compared to her CN version and units like shiro/huma being buffed, its pretty promising that adjustment will be made for the global versions specifically so you're not desperately in need of ALL banner units to succeed in PVE modes

Your monthly dark crystal income should be around 3000~ give or take, coming from 7-day login/weekly missions/crew/pvp/battlepass, it can fluctuate a bit depending on your ranking in pvp and such, and that is without maintenance compensation or events, so expect around 20~30 exclusive banner summons per month which is pretty generous

I cant argue with anything within the realm of it being a gacha game, I am sure by those standards, its completely fair and reasonable. Most of my concern comes from that it is also trying to be an MMO. And as far as MMOs go, unless it leans more into the accessibility that MMOs require to be successful, I worry its going to fail as both a gacha and mmo in the long run. You are right that things might be different for global, and I hope they are.

This is why I think they should do some sort of refreshing of the maps completion rewards. Like replace all the gold orbs with black ones instead, and maybe add new outfits. After completing a map to 100%, it starts a 1 month timer. After that time is up, the map refreshes with "tier 2" rewards. That way free players (and even the whales) have an endless source of content to farm. It doesn't really effect whales because whales will never choose to farm for a month over swiping. But it does create a repeatable content loop for everyone else.

[Crown]

Yea more resources are always welcome, though I think they would most likely do that in the form of events, completely up to the devs as how they would implement it, they have been pretty generous so far with the launch events, lets hope that trend continues

[Satyr]

Publicado originalmente por Sage:

Yea more resources are always welcome, though I think they would most likely do that in the form of events, completely up to the devs as how they would implement it, they have been pretty generous so far with the launch events, lets hope that trend continues

If it continues, I will consider it generosity. Until then I am going to stay skeptical and look at it as if Marlboro were handing out free cigarettes to non-smokers, with the hopes of farming them once they are addicted. Haha

[Rielle]

As an F2P player you pick and choose your favorites to pull for. There is no reason to pull in the next banner unless you really want to. You are not going to fall way behind because you skipped one character. Personally I pulled and got 1* Nemesis and 2 of her matrices and have 25 pulls as an F2P. I plan on skipping until I really want a character again. Eventually they are all added to standard anyways.

[Darkmaster]

Publicado originalmente por Harrada:

Now that resources have dried up, and you have to poor literally everything you have into just getting a chance at 1 star nemesis, whats the plan for the next banner? I would love to hear what the apologists are going to do in order to get 80 pity on limited banners when no longer provided a source of dark crystals farm-able enough to probably even roll 10, let alone 80 or the 110 it takes to guarantee.

And no, they arent going to release enough content to get you 16,500 dark crystals. So what will you do. Swipe or just accept you aren't allowed progress and continue playing with your old characters that will absolutely get powercrept?

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How to fix the Tower of Fantasy SSR problem in Windows 10/11

1. Turn on your PC
2. Go to settings
3. Click apps
4. Scroll down to Tower of Fantasy
5. Double click it
6. Hit okay
7. Problem fixed

Hope this helps. This helped me very well!

[khermerker]

Well actually was good for me, after the bugs, bad animations, bad graphics,,, poor story decide as limit get nemesis for stay.. not get her after 80 tries so yup that is all for me and leave game..

[Yuan]

What will they do ? Well that's simple, they will come crying on the forums that the game is in fact p2w, acknowledge that the critics were right and quit the game.