To the Moon

To the Moon

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smilly Jun 29, 2015 @ 11:44am
[SPOILERS] Just finished game - need answers!
Okay, so I just finished the game - and I loved it! But I'm also a bit confused about a few things.

1. How could the roadkill 'refresh' John's old memories?
2. On their wedding day, River found another roadkill. Is it any kind of symbol or..?
3. Why was River's and John's first meeting such a big deal? I mean why would River 'give up' their marriage so John would remember their first meeting?
4. Who was Isabelle?
5. When John wanted River because she 'has what he needs' and Nick thinks it's cold, why did he then push John to go and talk to her?
6. Does John remember his twin?
7. Why does River think that the lighthouse is 'better' than herself? When she says to John, something like, "So you can watch over her when I'm gone". Why didn't she just save herself?
8. In the end when Dr. Watts is standing on the cliff behind River's and John's graves, his heart beats like John's did..What was that all about? Is it really Dr. Watts who is sick?
9. Why was it only the last rabbit that was blue and yellowish and not all of them?
10. Final question - When River and John were sitting at the lighthouse on their wedding day, I think, she asks "Do you feel any different?"...What does she mean? Also, John answers "Only the responsibilities" (something like that).. What 'responsibilities'?

Please help me,
I hope I made any kind of sense:)
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Thunderbird Jun 29, 2015 @ 1:07pm 
Just a quick reply, might not be the best answers, but maybe soem will help you :)


1) There was also a roadkill in his "lost" memories, so the smell reminded him
2) No, I don't think it's supposed to be a symbol
3) Maybe he doesn't agree with all his reasons, but still wants to help him as a friend.
4) She is a friend of Johnny and might be married to Nick (I think it wasn't really said int he game). She also has Aspergers, but was diagnosed way earlier.
6) No, he was given the betablockers to forget his brother. He might remember him subconsciously though as he adapted some of his characters (or his mother managed to doctrine him to behave more like his dead twin)
7) People can obsess with other goals so much that they value it more than their own life
8) Might be, he is taking painkillers as a hidden scene in the game tells us
9) Probably because it's more difficult to make and she just got the idea to refine her work
10) I guess it's just that you feel more responsible for our partner then, or that there are some social expectations that come with a marriage
Marquise* Jun 29, 2015 @ 1:56pm 
9- yellow=moon , blue =stars
smilly Jun 30, 2015 @ 1:07pm 


Originally posted by Thunderbird:
Just a quick reply, might not be the best answers, but maybe soem will help you :)


1) There was also a roadkill in his "lost" memories, so the smell reminded him
2) No, I don't think it's supposed to be a symbol
3) Maybe he doesn't agree with all his reasons, but still wants to help him as a friend.
4) She is a friend of Johnny and might be married to Nick (I think it wasn't really said int he game). She also has Aspergers, but was diagnosed way earlier.
6) No, he was given the betablockers to forget his brother. He might remember him subconsciously though as he adapted some of his characters (or his mother managed to doctrine him to behave more like his dead twin)
7) People can obsess with other goals so much that they value it more than their own life
8) Might be, he is taking painkillers as a hidden scene in the game tells us
9) Probably because it's more difficult to make and she just got the idea to refine her work
10) I guess it's just that you feel more responsible for our partner then, or that there are some social expectations that come with a marriage

Thank you Thunderbird:)
This made my mind a little 'clearer' if you know what I mean:D
smilly Jun 30, 2015 @ 1:08pm 
Originally posted by Marquise*:
9- yellow=moon , blue =stars
Thanks, but I was just wondering why all the other rabbits weren't blue and yellow like the last one:)
Marquise* Jun 30, 2015 @ 10:32pm 
It is to see if -why- he didn't remembered that night when they talked first time seeing the star rabbit!
Cassie Jul 7, 2015 @ 3:58pm 
Originally posted by Yoshiko971:
1. How could the roadkill 'refresh' John's old memories?

<_< In my view, it's because roadkill smells like "a living creature that got killed / run over by a car", and that's...definitely a part of John's old memories. >_>
cheydrian Jul 9, 2015 @ 4:47am 
I'm also confused as to the significance of the bi-colored paper rabbit. Also, as to what John 'needed' from River when he decided to start pursuing her. :/
Martellus Jul 9, 2015 @ 3:58pm 
Better late than never. But anyway, i'll answer what hasn't been answered and/or add more to questions that's already been answered. *WARNING - WALL OF TEXT*

-Their first meeting was only a big deal after River realized that John doesn't remember it. Not knowing that his memory of it was "blocked". I said "blocked" because it was never really gone.

-She never gave up on their marriage. Remember, she has Aspergers. A normal person could just easily say that "Hey, us meeting in high school was not really our first meeting. We first met when we were kids". But due to her condition, River has a hard time telling him what she wants to say. So she uses the paper rabbits to try to get him to remember. All the eccentricities that she exhibited after John confessed that he only asked her out because he wanted to feel unique was not because of hate or spite, that's her way of trying to make him remember.

-Remember when they met as kids? When they made a rabbit constellation out of the stars and moon? That's what the blue and yellow paper rabbit was for. The blue part represents the night sky and/or stars. The yellow part represents the moon (Remember the line?, "And the moon, the moon is it's big round belly!").When they were kids, she made him describe what he saw on the sky. She was trying to do the same when she keeps asking him to describe the blue and yellow paper rabbit, hoping that he remembers. But since he doesn't, he thought that his wife was simply acting weird. Had he read the book about her condition when the doctor advised him to do so, he would've known why she was acting the way she was.

-Her first attempt to make him remember was right after he told her about his motives when he asked her out in high school. She showed him the hackey sack that he gave her when they were kids, and told him if he could throw it as far as he could. But she was actually hoping that he wouldn't and that it would make him remember. Unfortunately, he didn't and he threw it as she asked him to. Imagine her shock at that moment. Which is when she resorted to the paper rabbits. And in a last ditch effort, she even cut her hair short to resemble the hairstyle she had when they were kids.

-I don't think the conversation that they had when they were sitting in the lighthouse during their wedding was of any importance. Like i said, she has Aspergers. She might've really felt excited and happy about the wedding, but her syndrome just makes it look like she doesn't give a damn.

-Isabelle's an actress, and of course a friend to River and John. Though when they first met was never elaborated. Like River, she has Aspergers. But she was diagnosed early so she had time to adapt. So unlike River, she seems normal. That ruse was also aided by the fact that she's an actress, as i've stated. So she's quite good at acting normal.

-The lighthouse was so important to her due to her childhood belief. That stars were lighthouses and that they all feel alone, and so she wanted to befriend one. So she insisted that Johnny should finish the house so "Anya" would never be alone. As to why she made a decision so extreme. I think it also has something to do with her syndrome. People that have it tend to obsess over things far as i know. In River's case, she was obsessed with lighthouses.

Hopefully that helps.
Last edited by Martellus; Jul 9, 2015 @ 4:00pm
Mr. Nobody Jul 9, 2015 @ 4:21pm 
Originally posted by cheydrian:
I'm also confused as to the significance of the bi-colored paper rabbit. Also, as to what John 'needed' from River when he decided to start pursuing her. :/

I'm going to attempt to give an in depth answer to both of your questions since they are kind of related.

I don't remember the exact words but at one point during the meeting at the carnival as kids River mentions how she hates her name because people make fun of her for it. Johnny responds by saying it's a unique name, and how he would much rather have a one of a kind name than one like "Johnny" that millions of people have. Not only does he have a common name, but he literally has a brother that looks exactly like him.

River and Johnny are essentially on opposite ends of the boat. River spends her whole life wanting to fit in with everyone else, Johnny spends his whole life trying to stand out from the crowd.

When Johnny first asks River on a date, it's not because he really likes her. He's asks her out because he wants to be the guy who is dating the weird, autistic girl. He basically wants the attention it will bring him, not River herself. I think it's pretty obvious he does come to care for her deeply, but that doesn't change the fact that the only reason he wanted her in the first place was the 'need' to stand out from the crowd.

This all leads into the moment later in life where Johnny tells River of the "first" meeting. He essentially admits to her what I said above about the reason he approached her in the first place. She tells Johnny to throw the hacky sack away because she wants to see if he remembers the significance of it from their real first meeting at the carnival. She's shocked when he just throws it off the cliff. Johnny can't understand what this or the rabbit making that follows means.

What he doesn't realize is that the reason for dating River isn't the main issue at all. River realizes that Johnny doesn't even remember their actual first meeting at the carvnival as kids. To her, this is probably the single most important moment in there relationship yet all of a sudden she finds out Johnny literally doesn't even remember that moment.

She's devastated because what she thought was the most important moment in their relationship is something Johnny didn't even care about enough to remember. Basically, River is desperately making paper rabbits to get Johnny to remember something that Johnny took medication to forget and neither of them know any better.

The bi-colored rabbit is just a last ditch attempt by River to get Johnny to remember there first meeting. The white rabbits didn't work, so she makes the bi-colored one to closer represent the rabbit they saw in the sky during the carnival.
Yellow body = moon
Blue head/feet = sky

So essentially River dies believing that her entire marriage was built on a foundation of lies and misconceptions.
Last edited by Mr. Nobody; Jul 9, 2015 @ 4:25pm
smilly Jul 10, 2015 @ 2:28am 
Wow thanks everyone, this really helped me out! I appreaciate both the long and shorter answers and I think that all my questions were answered - It all makes sense at least - So thanks again and sorry for taking your time. Have a nice day/night/break/vacation/lunch/life ;D
Last edited by smilly; Jul 10, 2015 @ 2:36am
Marquise* Jul 10, 2015 @ 5:28am 
I was trying not to spoil it to everyonelse XD
Originally posted by cheydrian:
I'm also confused as to the significance of the bi-colored paper rabbit. Also, as to what John 'needed' from River when he decided to start pursuing her. :/

yellow part was the moon = rabbit's belly blue part was the stars

She even dress like that on her wedding
Last edited by 🐈TinyLilAsian🐈; Jul 10, 2015 @ 6:16am
Marquise* Jul 10, 2015 @ 6:17am 
^^ I didn<t noticed. She was her own bunny :P
Martellus Jul 10, 2015 @ 11:34am 
Originally posted by MrGenius:

So essentially River dies believing that her entire marriage was built on a foundation of lies and misconceptions.

Yep, that's the saddest part of this game imo. That she died with those thoughts in her mind. Hopefully, Johnny can see whatever Neil and Eva saw in his memories. So he could at least have an idea of why his wife did those things in the first place. Then again, even if he did see them as well, they'll just be overwritten by the new memories.
Last edited by Martellus; Jul 10, 2015 @ 11:35am
munhoc Jul 13, 2015 @ 1:17am 
WOW, thanks to everyone for the explanations! I had lost lots of details while playing TT
Again, thank you!
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