LIST OF HACKERS with PROOF

[GOLDEN-ARMZ]

Please feel free to add to this list. We should have a record of all the hackers we see in this game. In case administration is granted back to this game and someone is in command, we will have a list of suspects:

Here is my personal list of people who hack that I have proof of. . . some are on the list of skilled players. . .

BEZQ - admitted that he uses speed hack, and its painfully obvious.
C4MP- Uses rampage hack; can switch from a blue rampage to a speed glow, or damage glow at the push of a button. we battled and i was at a healing station. I won with only 5 health left. He came back 5 seconds later and killed me as i was recharging. I noticed he had a speed glow on, and no gift was opened. It also takes some time to open a gift. I knew he used a speed glow hack to get to my spot really quick and kill me before i was able to heal all the way.

I have no proof on others who I suspect so I wont list them.

[Væ]

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but the fact that the class system is in-balanced because the game is heavily un-polished is fact though...

Some weapons are better than others, and some combinations are better than others... There is no denying this, but to say that classes are 'broken' because the best players use them (or a varient of them) to extreme efficiency is unreasonable

tough as nails + body armour has a very high chance of making you invincible - broken. avoid high player > farm people who can't aim (noobs) > acquire rampage > hunt high level player > activate rampage = immune to damage > kill other player > add this with divebomb and jackhammer (2 of the most unbalanced things in the game) and yeah... seems fair. the reason why most good players don't follow this mechanic / play style or anything similar anymore is because it's boring and we've grown out of it.

and fact > opinion. there are a lot of things that need fixing. look at the netcode for example. look at games like quake, unreal tournament and TF2. that's balanced and more playable in every way. you can't deny this game needs working on. sadly there's no hope.

[BEZQ]

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Dont even try to act smart by articulating yourself well for once. The illusion of you being somewhat intelligent gets immediately destroyed by looking at the actual content of your comment lmao

I said that there are some combinations that are better than others, and some weapons that are better than others, and that nobody denys this. Then I went on to say that classes aren't broken because some people use better classes/combinations than your average player does.... There is nothing wrong with saying that at all, and if there was im sure you wouldnt mind pointing it out for me.

Extreme inbalance of classes=some classes are "broken". If thats not your personal definition of the word broken in the same context then it still doesnt change at all that there is an extreme inbalance in the game and that other people's definition of inbalance in a game is "brokenness".

[Something]

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Some weapons are better than others, and some combinations are better than others... There is no denying this, but to say that classes are 'broken' because the best players use them (or a varient of them) to extreme efficiency is unreasonable

tough as nails + body armour has a very high chance of making you invincible - broken. avoid high player > farm people who can't aim (noobs) > acquire rampage > activate rampage = immune to damage > add this with divebomb and jackhammer... seems fair. the reason why most good players don't follow this mechanic / play style or anything similar anymore is because it's boring and we've grown out of it.

and fact > opinion. there are a lot of things that need fixing. look at the netcode for example. look at games like quake, unreal tournament and TF2. that's balanced and more playable in every way. you can't deny this game needs working. sadly it won't.

I don't think I ever denied that this game needs fixing, and you do have a valid point there. However, bucc and jackhammer + body armour is not the "be all end all" for the game. I only use tough as nails, mKv's main class (that Ive seen him play most often with) uses huntsman, inflateable insoles and shotgun, and there are other combinations of weapons you can choose to play against it. I've killed, and im sure youve killed tones of people on rampages who used body armour + bucc and jackhammer.

[Something]

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Publicado originalmente por YourFriendlyNeighborhoodNoScoper:

I said that there are some combinations that are better than others, and some weapons that are better than others, and that nobody denys this. Then I went on to say that classes aren't broken because some people use better classes/combinations than your average player does.... There is nothing wrong with saying that at all, and if there was im sure you wouldnt mind pointing it out for me.

Extreme inbalance of classes=some classes are "broken". If thats not your personal definition of the word broken in the same context then it still doesnt change at all that there is an extreme inbalance in the game and that other people's definition of inbalance in a game is "brokenness".

I know leo. I'm pretty sure I understand the context of the word "broken" when we're talking about game imbalances.

[Olek]

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Publicado originalmente por YourFriendlyNeighborhoodNoScoper:

Some weapons are better than others, and some combinations are better than others... There is no denying this, but to say that classes are 'broken' because the best players use them (or a varient of them) to extreme efficiency is unreasonable

tough as nails + body armour has a very high chance of making you invincible - broken. avoid high player > farm people who can't aim (noobs) > acquire rampage > activate rampage = immune to damage > add this with divebomb and jackhammer... seems fair. the reason why most good players don't follow this mechanic / play style or anything similar anymore is because it's boring and we've grown out of it.

and fact > opinion. there are a lot of things that need fixing. look at the netcode for example. look at games like quake, unreal tournament and TF2. that's balanced and more playable in every way. you can't deny this game needs working. sadly it won't.

Except that acquiring rampages needs skill and can be done with just about any class. Obviously if a player is hitting you with so many rampages that it makes you mad, it only proves that you are getting beaten somewhere in the middle before the rampage is obtained, and I can say that this is pretty much the case in any game I play against you when you are using essentially the same class. Saying that most good players dont follow this mechanic is just about the lamest excuse i've heard that translates to: I am incapable.

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tough as nails + body armour has a very high chance of making you invincible - broken. avoid high player > farm people who can't aim (noobs) > acquire rampage > activate rampage = immune to damage > add this with divebomb and jackhammer... seems fair. the reason why most good players don't follow this mechanic / play style or anything similar anymore is because it's boring and we've grown out of it.

and fact > opinion. there are a lot of things that need fixing. look at the netcode for example. look at games like quake, unreal tournament and TF2. that's balanced and more playable in every way. you can't deny this game needs working. sadly it won't.

I don't think I ever denied that this game needs fixing, and you do have a valid point there. However, bucc and jackhammer + body armour is not the "be all end all" for the game. I only use tough as nails, mKv's main class (that Ive seen him play most often with) uses huntsman, inflateable insoles and shotgun, and there are other combinations of weapons you can choose to play against it. I've killed, and im sure youve killed tones of people on rampages who used body armour + bucc and jackhammer.

i can't counter someone who is invincible. i could hunt them down the whole game to prevent them from getting a rampage, but that's boring and takes all the fun outta the game and it's not exactly an effective "counter". i think the rampage system is a complete joke anyway. it's very unfair especially in its current state. Also if you have a little bit of brain-power it's easy to take a broken class and implement it into a specific playstyle that makes you almost invincible and very hard to counter. i know this. because i did this. so did a lot of decent smart / decent players. which is why it's more fun to make classes that have more of a balanced approach mainly because they allow you to develop new playstyles that are harder to master.

As for the buc being OP. Well i still find it harder to use than a lot more weapons.

[Olek]

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Publicado originalmente por YourFriendlyNeighborhoodNoScoper:

I don't think I ever denied that this game needs fixing, and you do have a valid point there. However, bucc and jackhammer + body armour is not the "be all end all" for the game. I only use tough as nails, mKv's main class (that Ive seen him play most often with) uses huntsman, inflateable insoles and shotgun, and there are other combinations of weapons you can choose to play against it. I've killed, and im sure youve killed tones of people on rampages who used body armour + bucc and jackhammer.

i can't counter someone who is invincible. i could hunt them down the whole game to prevent them from getting a rampage, but that's boring and takes all the fun outta the game and it's not exactly an effective "counter". i think the rampage system is a complete joke anyway. it's very unfair especially in its current state. Also if you have a little bit of brain-power it's easy to take a broken class and implement it into a specific playstyle that makes you almost invincible and very hard to counter. i know this. because i did this. so did a lot of decent smart / decent players. which is why it's more fun to make classes that have more of a balanced approach mainly because they allow you to develop new playstyles that are harder to master.

As for the buc being OP. Well i still find it harder to use than a lot more weapons.

So you are basically deciding to lose because its not fun otherwise....... No, whats really going on here is that you are simply getting beaten, outplayed. By saying someone is noob farming you are essentially calling yourself a noob because you are part of the team, thus you are part the reason for said person to get a rampage in the first place. Stop complaining about classes like all the other noobs in GCI. As for rampages its just like powerups in most other arena FPS, you have to play an active role in preventing other people from getting them, and if they do, its your loss. Stop blaming others for your downfalls because no one owes you anything

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i can't counter someone who is invincible. i could hunt them down the whole game to prevent them from getting a rampage, but that's boring and takes all the fun outta the game and it's not exactly an effective "counter". i think the rampage system is a complete joke anyway. it's very unfair especially in its current state. Also if you have a little bit of brain-power it's easy to take a broken class and implement it into a specific playstyle that makes you almost invincible and very hard to counter. i know this. because i did this. so did a lot of decent smart / decent players. which is why it's more fun to make classes that have more of a balanced approach mainly because they allow you to develop new playstyles that are harder to master.

As for the buc being OP. Well i still find it harder to use than a lot more weapons.

So you are basically deciding to lose because its not fun otherwise....... No, whats really going on here is that you are simply getting beaten, outplayed. By saying someone is noob farming you are essentially calling yourself a noob because you are part of the team, thus you are part the reason for said person to get a rampage in the first place. Stop complaining about classes like all the other noobs in GCI. As for rampages its just like powerups in most other arena FPS, you have to play an active role in preventing other people from getting them, and if they do, its your loss. Stop blaming others for your downfalls because no one owes you anything

what i'm saying is that 90% of the time you're no where to be found in game and then all of a sudden you're divebombing me with a rampage (making you invincible) so that i can't kill you. i used to do that too, but you know, i grew up and realised it's kinda impossible to beat, doesn't make me a better player and most of all it's boring to use because it's easy to use. the strat / playstyle is simply just heavily broken.

[Væ]

well you can't beat a broken exploit. if i wanted to use the obvious broken mechanic(s) to my advantage it would be a boring old stalemate. farming low level / skill players to get a rampage and using it on high level players just isn't really skillful or anything to brag about.

[Olek]

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So you are basically deciding to lose because its not fun otherwise....... No, whats really going on here is that you are simply getting beaten, outplayed. By saying someone is noob farming you are essentially calling yourself a noob because you are part of the team, thus you are part the reason for said person to get a rampage in the first place. Stop complaining about classes like all the other noobs in GCI. As for rampages its just like powerups in most other arena FPS, you have to play an active role in preventing other people from getting them, and if they do, its your loss. Stop blaming others for your downfalls because no one owes you anything

what i'm saying is that 90% of the time you're no where to be found in game and then all of a sudden you're divebombing me with a rampage (making you invincible) so that i can't kill you. i used to do that too, but you know, i grew up and realised it's kinda impossible to beat, doesn't make me a better player and most of all it's boring to use because it's easy to use. the strat / playstyle is simply just heavily broken.

Yeah when you, ripped, and bezq make up 75% of the opposite team there is no way in hell i get a rampage by hiding. The truth is you lose multiple times beforehand which is why i get a rampage and no one here is bragging about it, you're just projecting that idea because youre frustrated you cant do the same with pretty much the same class.

[Væ]

i dunno man. i've only really played you when there's been plenty of cannon fodder to feed off and 90% of the time i die from you is when you're divebombing me with your rampage on and i'm fighting more than 3 people whilst on low health... i've rarely fought you face to face and if i have you've always turned your rampage on when you start losing. consequently that leads me to turn on mine and then no one wins. Of course I can use this class. like i said i used to use it a lot, so did a lot of other players... even used to wreck you with it... but it seems like you give off this vibe that you're the best because you're the only one who is genuinely arsed about using this broken class and strategy. any high skilled player can use it / has used it, but we don't, because it's like the equivalent of a guy who baits his team in CS:GO and uses a p90, because he can't aim with a proper gun and get the entry frags; in simpler terms - it's nothing to write home about. I don't think i've ever seen you use another class (maybe once - when you've used a Desperado... badly), because i've come to believe that you might not be capable of using one or can be bothered trying something more challenging.

The guide is for humour and bants btw - it wasn't aimed directly at you and your cohorts, but merely at those who seem to feel accomplishment and superiororty out of abusing a lowbie loadout. As we all may know - that's kinda sad. I was meant to write a proper one much earlier on how easy it is to exploit the game with broken classes / playstyles and why they should be fixed, but i guess it doesn't matter. never had the time anyway and there's no developer insight either. just like with the netcode. i was looking into possibly making some performence improvements and maybe figuring a way of incorporating dedicated server capability, but i don't have the time now and personally i think structured class balance is a lot more important. sadly i don't think i could ever gain access or the knowledge in time to work on that aspect of the game and it would be up to monolith anyway.

P.S. Not gonna lie, yeah i took a beating from you and Will the other day, but when you're spamming where we spawn with rockets and i'm playing speedy i wouldn't actually consider it a "real beating". Also when Leo and I decided to play just like you and Will those few games, we figured out that your excellent strategy of camping and running away didn't achieve a good result for either of us. Not like we didn't forsee it.

Plus i don't think i see the point in winning against you in your class choice. maybe one day soon i will do it, but for now i don't wanna have a battle of who can play the cheapest / dirtiest, because it doesn't really prove anything.

[Olek]

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i dunno man. i've only really played you when there's been plenty of cannon fodder to feed off and 90% of the time i die from you is when you're divebombing me with your rampage on and i'm fighting more than 3 people whilst on low health... i've rarely fought you face to face and if i have you've always turned your rampage on when you start losing. consequently that leads me to turn on mine and then no one wins. Of course I can use this class. like i said i used to use it a lot, so did a lot of other players... even used to wreck you with it... but it seems like you give off this vibe that you're the best because you're the only one who is genuinely arsed about using this broken class and strategy. any high skilled player can use it / has used it, but we don't, because it's like the equivalent of a guy who baits his team in CS:GO and uses a p90, because he can't aim with a proper gun and get the entry frags; in simpler terms - it's nothing to write home about. I don't think i've ever seen you use another class (maybe once - when you've used a Desperado... badly), because i've come to believe that you might not be capable of using one or can be bothered trying something more challenging.

The guide is for humour and bants btw - it wasn't aimed directly at you and your cohorts, but merely at those who seem to feel accomplishment and superiororty out of abusing a lowbie loadout. As we all may know - that's kinda sad. I was meant to write a proper one much earlier on how easy it is to exploit the game with broken classes / playstyles and why they should be fixed, but i guess it doesn't matter. never had the time anyway and there's no developer insight either. just like with the netcode. i was looking into possibly making some performence improvements and maybe figuring a way of incorporating dedicated server capability, but i don't have the time now and personally i think structured class balance is a lot more important. sadly i don't think i could ever gain access or the knowledge in time to work on that aspect of the game and it would be up to monolith anyway.

P.S. Not gonna lie, yeah i took a beating from you and Will the other day, but when you're spamming where we spawn with rockets and i'm playing speedy i wouldn't actually consider it a "real beating". Also when Leo and I decided to play just like you and Will those few games, we figured out that your excellent strategy of camping and running away didn't achieve a good result for either of us. Not like we didn't forsee it.

Plus i don't think i see the point in winning against you in your class choice. maybe one day soon i will do it, but for now i don't wanna have a battle of who can play the cheapest / dirtiest, because it doesn't really prove anything.

Most of our battles are sniper duels and there certainly wasnt a lot of canon fodder as I just posted that you, bezq, and ripped made up 75% of the team not to mention it was a 3v2 on a god awful host that benefitted you the most after BEZQ of course. This is also the reason why I physically cant use anyother class when playing against you because youre always partied with BEZQ who is also hosting the ♥♥♥♥ out of US servers. I would like to play other classes with/against you but I never find you without party or without garbage host on your side so it never happens or very rarely.

[Væ]

i only remember sniping Will who kept coming behind me. then again he missed most of his shots and resorted to divebombing. and everytime i saw you you mostly activated your rampage so i had to run or use mine. bit of a boring stalemate. guaranteed you shot me from behind a few times, but most of the time we weren't getting the actual kill due to being distracted by other players. also there were about 4 noobs to kill on our team and 5 on yours. it's not hard to avoid skillful players and go for them first (which i couldn't be arsed doing because that's low). i agree BEZQ was beating you because he had host so you must have been getting the rampage from elsewhere and i know it's frustrating, but the only way i could see it being fair is if someone hosts that has a very good connection and remains afk. the only person who i know so far who can do this is Grimm. that would give a better advantage to hit reg overall and also make other classes more viable for now. tough as nails needs removing or fixing as it's extremely easy to take advantage of due to there being so many low players to farm. either that or we play private games all the time / don't use it in public games on eachother. time and time again if i wanna use a broken class / playstyle and "tryhard" i see myself in situations where me and the other decent player are simply having a pointless rampage war. the only consistent player who could play any class was mKv. my bullets would never reg on him anyway. i could only think he has miracle internet or knew of a method that could help you with the terrible netcode in the game. so far i've tried everything. i think.

[Væ]

actually a few of us are looking at reviving the whole competitive clan thing again, but at the same time trying to figure out a way of making it as balanced and as fair as possible so that there are no upsets when playing. it'll take a bit of testing and it should hopefully settle all the beef with everyone moaning about connection issues and broken elements within the game.

[Olek]

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i only remember sniping Will who kept coming behind me. then again he missed most of his shots and resorted to divebombing. and everytime i saw you you mostly activated your rampage so i had to run or use mine. bit of a boring stalemate. guaranteed you shot me from behind a few times, but most of the time we weren't getting the actual kill due to being distracted by other players. also there were about 4 noobs to kill on our team and 5 on yours. it's not hard to avoid skillful players and go for them first (which i couldn't be arsed doing because that's low). i agree BEZQ was beating you because he had host so you must have been getting the rampage from elsewhere and i know it's frustrating, but the only way i could see it being fair is if someone hosts that has a very good connection and remains afk. the only person who i know so far who can do this is Grimm. that would give a better advantage to hit reg overall and also make other classes more viable for now. tough as nails needs removing or fixing as it's extremely easy to take advantage of due to there being so many low players to farm. either that or we play private games all the time / don't use it in public games on eachother. time and time again if i wanna use a broken class / playstyle and "tryhard" i see myself in situations where me and the other decent player are simply having a pointless rampage war. the only consistent player who could play any class was mKv. my bullets would never reg on him anyway. i could only think he has miracle internet or knew of a method that could help you with the terrible netcode in the game. so far i've tried everything. i think.

Please explain how there was 4 noobs on your team when you are in a 3 man party and 5 noobs on our party of 2. No matter how hard you try you wont convince me there was 7 people on each team, the lobby wasnt even full most of the time so it was usually you 3 and one other person. So really the only way for me to get rampages, even a couple in a single match, would be to kill you, bezq, or ripped and not farming non-existant masses of noobs. The only way for "rampage wars" to even happen would be if you got beaten a couple times in a row with no rampage from the opponent.