Modding. :: Jet Set Radio General Discussions

mequals1

Oct 6, 2012 @ 11:52pm

@Anoniempje: Indeed it's messy, but only way so far for me to get some of the models, either for rendering or doing high-res texture renders or even paper models. Hopefully we can figure out how to explore the dat files somehow. I've gotten just about all textures extracted from the game, i'll post an image album when I get them organized.

@Truz: I'm afraid this just means we get to play with the 3d models somewhat in 3d programs. We don't know the dat file structures yet.

#151

shadow1w2

Oct 7, 2012 @ 12:25am

Hacking this engine has its limits so replacing models and redesigning levels wont have much use and won't be worth the effort due to how the levels are coded.
Even if we manage to move or duplicate a railing the code for the grinding path most likely won't go with it.

Adding in the missing songs, making a few easy hacks that restore the Japanese cube and combo skins, maybe the Japanese vocals and tags and things would be the best goal.

Taking hte models out and rigging them up in Garrys mod would be fun.
Not to mention the idea of builiding a fan game JSR in the Unity engine appeals to me.
Perhaps find a way to extract the data easily so that users can extract it from their legal copy for use in an open source engine.
Then we don't have to deal with limitations of this engine.

Though I think we could manage some fun skins, model swaps, and maybe find some unsused pieces :3

#152

mequals1

Oct 7, 2012 @ 2:51am

@ shadow1w2: The JSRF character models have all been extracted (not animations), so maybe those can be used in Unity? What did the Japanese Cube and Combo look like? There's 131 Japanese audio files in SND_MUSEN, and 5 in SND_SE (Oh the 5 oggs are the same, but the .osb's are all of a different size), I wonder if it's just an easy file swap for those.

OK confirmed, you can use .osb files from SND_SE and use them in E_SND_SE. Beat and Gum sound different, although Tab sounds the same so far.

Last edited by mequals1; Oct 7, 2012 @ 3:28am

#153

shadow1w2

Oct 7, 2012 @ 4:39am

Originally posted by mequals1:
@ shadow1w2: The JSRF character models have all been extracted (not animations), so maybe those can be used in Unity? What did the Japanese Cube and Combo look like? There's 131 Japanese audio files in SND_MUSEN, and 5 in SND_SE (Oh the 5 oggs are the same, but the .osb's are all of a different size), I wonder if it's just an easy file swap for those.

OK confirmed, you can use .osb files from SND_SE and use them in E_SND_SE. Beat and Gum sound different, although Tab sounds the same so far.

Oh awesome. Ya, with a little work porting to something like unity might be interesting.
Another engine might be better for the idea and legal work arounds though.
Better yet would be great to get those models into Garrys mod and rigged up properly for fun and not so profit.

Hah! I knew the audio was easy to swap!
Beat's Japanese voice is pretty cool. He rolls his tongue on some jumps, its just cool.
Some voices aren't that great so might not hurt to mix and match.
But considering the game takes place in Japan I'd think Japanese would sound a bit better ya?

Oh and Cube and Combo had differn't names and skins.
I think Cube was Rico and had a long sleeve shirt with a shirt over it on and a lot less goth looking.
Conbo, or Combo as we know him was also a little different but I'm not too sure.
I'll have to check out the Japanese version and take a look.
Changes aren't big but they were changed for the US version and then stayed that way in the Japanese re release that included their story arc and extra levels.
Would just be interesting to restore their original looks.
Shouldn't be too hard to recreate them.
Perhaps I'll give it a shot when I get a chance.

#154

Nuckrieg

Oct 7, 2012 @ 10:46am

Holy mother of god, i take a weekend out of my computer and suddenly we're exploring models?? I think i'll stay away from my computer a while longer and see where this goes xD

#155

meeks

Oct 7, 2012 @ 10:55am

Originally posted by shadow1w2:
Originally posted by mequals1:
@ shadow1w2: The JSRF character models have all been extracted (not animations), so maybe those can be used in Unity? What did the Japanese Cube and Combo look like? There's 131 Japanese audio files in SND_MUSEN, and 5 in SND_SE (Oh the 5 oggs are the same, but the .osb's are all of a different size), I wonder if it's just an easy file swap for those.

OK confirmed, you can use .osb files from SND_SE and use them in E_SND_SE. Beat and Gum sound different, although Tab sounds the same so far.

Oh awesome. Ya, with a little work porting to something like unity might be interesting.
Another engine might be better for the idea and legal work arounds though.
Better yet would be great to get those models into Garrys mod and rigged up properly for fun and not so profit.

Hah! I knew the audio was easy to swap!
Beat's Japanese voice is pretty cool. He rolls his tongue on some jumps, its just cool.
Some voices aren't that great so might not hurt to mix and match.
But considering the game takes place in Japan I'd think Japanese would sound a bit better ya?

Oh and Cube and Combo had differn't names and skins.
I think Cube was Rico and had a long sleeve shirt with a shirt over it on and a lot less goth looking.
Conbo, or Combo as we know him was also a little different but I'm not too sure.
I'll have to check out the Japanese version and take a look.
Changes aren't big but they were changed for the US version and then stayed that way in the Japanese re release that included their story arc and extra levels.
Would just be interesting to restore their original looks.
Shouldn't be too hard to recreate them.
Perhaps I'll give it a shot when I get a chance.

cube's name was always cube, even in the japanese version. why she is called reco in the files is beyond me. in fact, here are a list of the character's original japanese names:

beat - beat
gum - gum
tab - corn
mew - bis
garam - garam
yoyo - yoyo
cube - cube
combo - combo
piranha - sugar
slate - soda

the reason why combo is written as conbo in the files is because of the way the japanese language works. the way his name is written is "co" "m" "bo" in i think katakana? there is no japanese character that is just a single "m" sound, so they replace it with the character for the "n" sound. and it's just a translating error calling him conbo.

if you look at every character, the katakana for their name is written somewhere on their body. like on mew's face, and the front of beat's shirt, on the back of gum's dress, etc etc

#156

mequals1

Oct 7, 2012 @ 1:43pm

Check out Beat's Ereki shirt from DEMO14 - http://i.imgur.com/zEp3u.jpg
There's less detail on the headphones and no texture for the wrist computer thing.

Can mod these to animate in Benten, and the last thing maybe is for Shibuya - http://imgur.com/a/JWDQ3

Last edited by mequals1; Oct 7, 2012 @ 11:05pm

#157

mequals1

Oct 7, 2012 @ 9:35pm

Last edited by mequals1; Oct 10, 2012 @ 4:57pm

#158

meeks

Oct 8, 2012 @ 1:50am

Originally posted by mequals1:
Check out Beat's Ereki shirt from DEMO14 - http://i.imgur.com/zEp3u.jpg
There's less detail on the headphones and no texture for the wrist computer thing.

Can mod these to animate in Benten, and the last thing maybe is for Shibuya - http://imgur.com/a/JWDQ3

beta textures is blowing my mind right now. are there any others they left in?

#159

Double Flower has Jet Set Radio

Oct 8, 2012 @ 6:57am

mequals1, what tool are you using to extract this? Dragon Unpacker?

#160

Nuckrieg

Oct 8, 2012 @ 8:31am

Originally posted by mequals1:
@ shadow1w2: The JSRF character models have all been extracted (not animations), so maybe those can be used in Unity? What did the Japanese Cube and Combo look like? There's 131 Japanese audio files in SND_MUSEN, and 5 in SND_SE (Oh the 5 oggs are the same, but the .osb's are all of a different size), I wonder if it's just an easy file swap for those.

OK confirmed, you can use .osb files from SND_SE and use them in E_SND_SE. Beat and Gum sound different, although Tab sounds the same so far.

You can also somehow "edit" those .osb files (One-Shot Bank) by getting Audacity or Gold Wave, and importing the .OSBs as RAW material and import them PCM 4 Bit format, what you will hear will be mindblowing because the sound will be with high pitch and too much noise, i bet some sound pro could help us out in that

#161

meeks

Oct 8, 2012 @ 9:36am

oh i also want to add to my post up there is that the only character that had a different model in the japanese version was cube. combo, and everyone else, use their japanese model for the US and PAL version except for cube.

but this beta textures being in the files this is soooooo cool. i really hope we find more so i can see what character development was like!!

edit: oh its also worth mentioning that the name ereki is kind of a shortened version of electricity written in katakana. thats why there's a lightning bolt and a light bulb on his shirt's texture

Last edited by meeks; Oct 8, 2012 @ 9:38am

#162

mequals1

Oct 8, 2012 @ 10:48am

@Nuckrieg: Cool about the .osbs, I couldn't find any info about accessing them, opening them up in hex does show quite a few strings start with SOSD and end with ENDD, those must be the individual sound files.

@it's meeks: I did find just one more for Beat & Tab, Gum is just slightly different. Not sure about the Poison Jam one. Slate was just a logo change. Also included other textures that caught my eye.
http://imgur.com/a/TODCy#0

Last edited by mequals1; Oct 8, 2012 @ 10:56am

#163

meeks

Oct 8, 2012 @ 11:10am

oh my god this is so sick

the poison jam beta texture look pretty much like the official art, in that they have the kanji for poison (doku) on their shirt sleeve. i also like how textures were used as bases for other character textures thats so crazy.

oh and the blatant porn advertisements that would most likely appear in benten? awesome

mequals, if you could, after you have all the textures ripped could you put them all in a big rar file? i would suuuper appreciate it

edit: oh and that weird saw record tag looking thing, the small one, says "BIITO" or beat. im working on translating that beta character selection screen just so i can see whats up with it because WOW

Last edited by meeks; Oct 8, 2012 @ 11:11am

#164

mequals1

Oct 8, 2012 @ 11:40am

@it's meeks: About textures, sure no problem. I still got all the DEMO folders textures to upload, so soon after that. Would you rather they be pvrs or tiff?

So that tag editing screen seems to have every characters name stylized and with an icon. Must have been a design idea that they dropped. Cone, Reco, Gum, Poison Jam, Conbo, Natsuu - Nat I guess, Code, Love Shockers, Bisu, Pinch, (Noise 66? - Maybe before they were called Noise Tanks?), Yoyo, Beat.

Last edited by mequals1; Oct 8, 2012 @ 11:58am

#165

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