Are the Civil Resistance the good guys?

[Nasredin]

They fight against the big corporations. They maybe are the only bet against the demonic alien invasion thing. But they have bad rewards so rarely anyone sides with them.
Are we the baddies for antognizing them?

[pgames-food]

Originally posted by CHOO CHOO:

Originally posted by pgames-food:

my gut feeling is they are androids in disguise

We take apart so many of them, I think we'd have noticed by now.

ah thats true, i haven seen any wire or android chips from from them yet :)
i think it was just the wording in some of the games plot lines, and the "soul-less" phrase and the faction artwork on the tv scan-line screen made them look a bit like that :)

[CHOO CHOO]

Yeah, that's true. But I guess they're just mind-controlled by something small in their heads, or possibly something very subtle in their bodies that wouldn't show up in an impromptu dissection.

[pgames-food]

hehe i guess we'll find out in time :)

[zverozvero]

Originally posted by CHOO CHOO:

We take apart so many of them, I think we'd have noticed by now.

Training grenade skill i looked for hearts and got 1 in like 20 humanoids.
Think our clone is not a good surgeon.

[CHOO CHOO]

I'd guess he messes up the 19 others because he's in such a hurry, dissecting people in between actions. Still, you'd think he'd notice if any of the Colnodes turned out to be robots in disguise.

[zverozvero]

Cant even cut head from undamaged robot to get robot head. Never fails to get fresh cutlet though

But jokes aside, yep. They are more likely to be aligned with quasimorphs from some outlying bramfatura and get hivemind mechanics from them. Hive cant work without connection and they lack mechanical parts to do so via tec.

[pgames-food]

i think the cutting up of enemies is random as to what you get, but maybe, just maybe there is a better chance when using a more accurate item, like the elite knife, over something like a crude chainsaw? (it feels random but you never know) :)

[Vic]

Civil Resistance wants to end ancapistan, so yes. Because ancapistan is a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ meme form of governance that doesn't work.

[Florida Man]

What's a "good guy?" Quasimorph is the kind of game where you go into spaceports and businesses cleaning everyone out with a semi-automatic shotgun because someone offered you a really cool suit of armor and someone's brain backed up on a USB drive. I'm on the bridge of a roving PMC ship in space and I can't even *see* conventional morality from here.

But I do see a lot of fine military hardware.

I just need to beat it out of those walking loot pinatas first.

[Vic]

Originally posted by VTuber Simping Fund:

What's a "good guy?" Quasimorph is the kind of game where you go into spaceports and businesses cleaning everyone out with a semi-automatic shotgun because someone offered you a really cool suit of armor and someone's brain backed up on a USB drive. I'm on the bridge of a roving PMC ship in space and I can't even *see* conventional morality from here.

But I do see a lot of fine military hardware.

I just need to beat it out of those walking loot pinatas first.

The morality is in ending slavery and human experimentation again, you don't see conventional morality because for some reason in the game setting, everyone's a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

[BS Matador]

Originally posted by Vic:

The morality is in ending slavery and human experimentation again, you don't see conventional morality because for some reason in the game setting, everyone's a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

Are you familiar with the idiom "Throwing the baby out with the bathwater?"

[Vic]

Originally posted by BS Matador:

Originally posted by Vic:

The morality is in ending slavery and human experimentation again, you don't see conventional morality because for some reason in the game setting, everyone's a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

Are you familiar with the idiom "Throwing the baby out with the bathwater?"

What are you talking about, who is the baby exactly? Anarcho capitalism? Because if so, this should be a funny talk.

[Moisesjns]

Originally posted by Vic:

Civil Resistance wants to end ancapistan, so yes. Because ancapistan is a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ meme form of governance that doesn't work.

this song says otherwise. this the ancap anthem

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPdQiREnMFc

[BS Matador]

Originally posted by Vic:

What are you talking about, who is the baby exactly? Anarcho capitalism? Because if so, this should be a funny talk.

The Civil Resistance has all the morality and ethics of an ant colony. Willfully exchanging your individuality, self expression and personal freedoms is still slavery. Giving up yourself will lead to you not really caring so much when your body is on the slab and you're going to become the soylent green. It still engages in these practices, this time it's "for the greater good" rather than to line corporate pockets. If you con't see the irony in this I don't know what to tell you man

[Dezzmont]

I think there are a few things to consider.

In the scheme of the setting, the Civil Resistance are almost certainly the least wrong, in that they see the current ancap system is utterly hypocritical (as corporations have become, essentially, state bodies with a monopoly of violence violating the NAP constantly, which is realistic and what would actually happen and is a major criticism of anarcho-capitalism in real life), and produces massive suffering, and wants to change it to something that in theory has less human suffering. They do this via violence (which is the least of their crimes, the corps are so violent they regularly call on PMCs to slaughter everyone in a habitat just to make money) and through a strange hivemind that we understand very little about, but which seems to harm your ego at least some of the time.

Firstly, straight off the bat, this makes them better than some corps that actively subject some of their members to partial quasimorphosis. But compared to other corps like say... RealWare, you need to make a value judgement. Everyone has a point where survival is no longer desirable and that taking extreme risks to change their status that likely end in death are preferable to continuing as things are, be it due to personal suffering (ex: Most people would not desire to keep living if they were experiencing constant pain to the level they couldn't even act) or a moral belief that not acting would be wrong (ex: taking a bullet to save another), so even with the belief that the hivemind is death (and it is likely not, but it does likely dull who you are) your facing two questions:

A: Is the system currently so bad that partial ego death is actually a rational way to reduce suffering, akin to being willing to 'die for the cause?'
B: Is the system currently so bad that creating a system that requires partial ego death is a legitimate improvement long term?

I am going to tentatively say 'yes.' Quality of life in quasimorph is so horrifically awful that it is questionable if a majority of people from 2023, with our current values and standards, would even DESIRE survival. It is legitimately a more awful environment than being completely isolated in the wilderness or being in a warzone (especially because, oops, your in a warzone often anyway). Judging by voice blurbs and the absurd amount of opiates and alcohol on the stations, I am fairly sure that most people aren't exactly all there mentally anyway, so if your going to be brain-damaged or brainwashed, may as well take the option that offers some actual comfort and a light at the end of the tunnel.

I don't think its an accident that the game is pretty actively calling anarcho-capitalism a super ♥♥♥♥♥♥ system that would side with literal hell if it could, makes us active agents in supporting the anarcho-capitalist system, and then makes the literal only faction we start out as opposed to the civil resistance to contrast with our starting allegiance to the forces of the apocalypse. That is... pretty unsubtle in the take away your supposed to have.