Did i just buy a game from russian developers ?

[SALZHERZ]

Really ?
Did i spend money, just checked the credits and this names ?
Anybody to clarify ?

[Buntkreuz]

Originally posted by Tack:

Originally posted by SALZHERZ:

You are right. Not buying from RU Devs.
Refund.

Kids these days, lol. Can't distinguish a people from their country.

The people ARE the country.
You cant distinguish what is connected.
What people can distinguish is whether people that dont live in a country maintain their cultural connection to it and thus still belong to "a people".

[Balalaika]

Originally posted by SALZHERZ:

As i stated, refunded.

If you hate Russians so much why don't you go join Ukrainian army? I am pretty sure they need all the help they can get.

[Amigo]

Yes, the devs are Russians. And btw the publisher is also Russian. They work from Cyprus avoiding sanctions. I also have a suspicion that the publisher is a subsidiary of some big Russian IT corp like mail.ru for example. There is no way to know for sure because it's private info.

This is the worst kind of Russians. They are afraid of openly admitting being Russians because they don't have the balls to do that.

[suFist2K8d]

I'm a 134 year old German living in Argentina and they thought I was dead. Anyway, people like me get standing ovations in Canadian Parliament for fighting russians back in the day; only way to win the fight is not to spend your beer money on a game for some russian peasant.

[Tack]

Originally posted by Buntkreuz:

Originally posted by Tack:

Kids these days, lol. Can't distinguish a people from their country.

The people ARE the country.
You cant distinguish what is connected.
What people can distinguish is whether people that dont live in a country maintain their cultural connection to it and thus still belong to "a people".

We are talking about government action and the people. The citizens en masse are not responsible for the government actions.

[Zothen]

Originally posted by Blowfeld:

well, the media has brainwashed you well. Now go and buy the new iphone.

Whats the problem with that? Theres new colors....

[Buntkreuz]

Originally posted by Tack:

Originally posted by Buntkreuz:

The people ARE the country.
You cant distinguish what is connected.
What people can distinguish is whether people that dont live in a country maintain their cultural connection to it and thus still belong to "a people".

We are talking about government action and the people. The citizens en masse are not responsible for the government actions.

Sure they are, they keep it in power. And many countries have specific paragraphs in their constitution to allow changing.
Germany for example has one that specifically allows "the people" to grab their weapons and use physical force to get rid of anti-democratic people in government.
Its basically the failsafe "rebelling is legal now" part of it to prevent something like current russian government.
But ultimatively a government is only as powerful as the people allow it to be.

Fact is, russians dont (well, or didnt) care about the "special operation" (war) and were actually positive about it (believed the propaganda of nazis in ukraine).
Even the internal russian research data made clear that a majority was pro war and anti ukraine.
So in this case, it absolutely IS the people.
Only the recent (this years) negative results of the war and the revolt of Wagner caused a change in mood about the topic, even in russian media.
But that is no indicator of negative opinion about the general subject of war agains ukraine or their government, but negative view on the results themselves.

[Aminius]

Originally posted by Buntkreuz:

russian

nur weil du gern bückling der amerikaner bist und und deren propaganda in kübeln futterst müssen es andere noch lange nicht sein. geb das spiel einfach zurück und erspare allen das gesabbel.

[Tack]

Originally posted by Buntkreuz:

Originally posted by Tack:

We are talking about government action and the people. The citizens en masse are not responsible for the government actions.

Sure they are, they keep it in power. And many countries have specific paragraphs in their constitution to allow changing.
Germany for example has one that specifically allows "the people" to grab their weapons and use physical force to get rid of anti-democratic people in government.
Its basically the failsafe "rebelling is legal now" part of it to prevent something like current russian government.
But ultimatively a government is only as powerful as the people allow it to be.

Fact is, russians dont (well, or didnt) care about the "special operation" (war) and were actually positive about it (believed the propaganda of nazis in ukraine).
Even the internal russian research data made clear that a majority was pro war and anti ukraine.
So in this case, it absolutely IS the people.
Only the recent (this years) negative results of the war and the revolt of Wagner caused a change in mood about the topic, even in russian media.
But that is no indicator of negative opinion about the general subject of war agains ukraine or their government, but negative view on the results themselves.

Wild take man. You are expecting a game Dev to raise arms against an authoritarian government and die for it. I'd rather they do what they're good at and make games. I'm sure you would certainly run to Putin's door to overthrow the government, right? Insane take. Yea propaganda works on citizens, look at the USA and their support of wars.

[JUZZZIE]

Originally posted by AFatalPapercut:

Originally posted by SALZHERZ:

61 year old german. And i know our history. Important to let dictators not rise.

You do realize Merkel and Putin were in power for the same amount of time, yes?
"DiCtAtOr"

Hey Einstein, 16 is not equal to 28 :))

[CaptWolf]

Originally posted by Buntkreuz:

Originally posted by Tack:

We are talking about government action and the people. The citizens en masse are not responsible for the government actions.

Sure they are, they keep it in power. And many countries have specific paragraphs in their constitution to allow changing.
Germany for example has one that specifically allows "the people" to grab their weapons and use physical force to get rid of anti-democratic people in government.
Its basically the failsafe "rebelling is legal now" part of it to prevent something like current russian government.
But ultimatively a government is only as powerful as the people allow it to be.

Fact is, russians dont (well, or didnt) care about the "special operation" (war) and were actually positive about it (believed the propaganda of nazis in ukraine).
Even the internal russian research data made clear that a majority was pro war and anti ukraine.
So in this case, it absolutely IS the people.
Only the recent (this years) negative results of the war and the revolt of Wagner caused a change in mood about the topic, even in russian media.
But that is no indicator of negative opinion about the general subject of war agains ukraine or their government, but negative view on the results themselves.

Ah yes, overthrow the government, I'll put it in the calendar for Friday after work. It'll be done in time for dinner, how does that sound?

what you're asking requires a tremendous loss of life and infrastructure, and shocker, people want to live. When it comes to oppressive power, fear keeps people in line. They don't want to die, they don't want their families hurt, so you keep your head down. I know it seems all cut and dry sitting comfortably in a different country where you'll never be asked to put yourself on the line for something like this (and just for the record: NO ONE in this forum would have the balls to take their grand dad's rifle and fight the government), but it's not such a simple thing in reality.

As selfish as it is, most people just want to live their lives as simply as they can.

[Buntkreuz]

Originally posted by Tack:

Originally posted by Buntkreuz:

Sure they are, they keep it in power. And many countries have specific paragraphs in their constitution to allow changing.
Germany for example has one that specifically allows "the people" to grab their weapons and use physical force to get rid of anti-democratic people in government.
Its basically the failsafe "rebelling is legal now" part of it to prevent something like current russian government.
But ultimatively a government is only as powerful as the people allow it to be.

Fact is, russians dont (well, or didnt) care about the "special operation" (war) and were actually positive about it (believed the propaganda of nazis in ukraine).
Even the internal russian research data made clear that a majority was pro war and anti ukraine.
So in this case, it absolutely IS the people.
Only the recent (this years) negative results of the war and the revolt of Wagner caused a change in mood about the topic, even in russian media.
But that is no indicator of negative opinion about the general subject of war agains ukraine or their government, but negative view on the results themselves.

Wild take man. You are expecting a game Dev to raise arms against an authoritarian government and die for it. I'd rather they do what they're good at and make games. I'm sure you would certainly run to Putin's door to overthrow the government, right? Insane take. Yea propaganda works on citizens, look at the USA and their support of wars.

Nope.
My statement is simply the political science part and no wild take, because its established knowledge in that area.
With that said, i dont expect the developers to wage war against their government.
In fact, i wouldnt blame anyone fleeing from war and seeking save distance.
The reason why im currently not looking well at how the Ukraine tries to get their hands on all male ukrainians that fled instead of fighting.
I think any individual has or should have the right to make his/her own decisions.
If you want to defend your country (from aggressors within or outside), then do so.
If you think war is a dumb idea and you prioritize securing your own family by seeking a safe place, fair enough.
But lets not ignore the actual truth that the government acts because people lend it power.
That truth is thousands of years old. A king without people is no king.
A government without people lending their power to the government, has no power.
Thats why you have movements in other countries that are sick of their "leaders" and lean against them.
However, as mentioned the russian people currently support their government, even those outside in other countries.

Dont get me wrong. Thats no reason i dislike them. Just like i dont dislike the developers for the sole fact of being russians (if they are) or even living in russia.
It doesnt matter in the grand scale, let alone that would mean i would dislike any russian for what other russians did being a stupid argument anyways.

However, i cant blame anyone who does care and takes distance from any russian they come across. The situation is emotional for many and obviously many who are too far away from the situation wont understand that (look at the commenters in the thread for proof).
It might have a sour taste and not be fair or justified, but thats the problem, right?
The whole situation is just unfair and all people involved lost something.
Thus it hits them all equally and no one said the "good russians", whoever that is, wont feel the same repressions as all others.

[Tack]

Originally posted by Buntkreuz:

However, i cant blame anyone who does care and takes distance from any russian they come across. The situation is emotional for many...

This really sums up people's decision to not buy because it's a Russian dev. It's emotional, and people let emotions override logic...

[kroket]

f*k off, bro

[Buntkreuz]

Originally posted by Tack:

Originally posted by Buntkreuz:

However, i cant blame anyone who does care and takes distance from any russian they come across. The situation is emotional for many...

This really sums up people's decision to not buy because it's a Russian dev. It's emotional, and people let emotions override logic...

Fair enough. My position here was more neutral, to be clear.