I dont like the MC

[Bonebreaker]

I know thats a personal issue and so far i realy like this game, but the character of Yagami really drives me crazy. Its like he is looking for trouble all the time and try to p..s the Yakuza off whenever he can even at moments where there is no reason for it and you think to yourself "chill dude". I think the game would be much cooler if we had his yakuza buddy Kaito as MC.

[2D神]

If he chill there would't be a story would it? I mean he is a detective and he gotta put his nose in everything.

[Bonebreaker]

Originally posted by 2D神:

If he chill there would't be a story would it? I mean he is a detective and he gotta put his nose in everything.

Well thats true, guess i just prefer a Character like Kiryu from Yakuza

[wasabi™]

Originally posted by Bonebreaker:

Originally posted by 2D神:

If he chill there would't be a story would it? I mean he is a detective and he gotta put his nose in everything.

Well thats true, guess i just prefer a Character like Kirio from Yakuza

Yeah that's how it goes with iconic characters like that, especially since he has been the main man in the series for so long it's almost jarring to go from him to someone completely different in personality. When Yakuza 7 came out I remember seeing Ichiban and thinking I would absolutely hate his character especially when measuring him up to Kirio,

However by the end of the game I did a complete 180 and now actually admire his characteristics and appreciate his character so much more.

We can get attached to these kind of characters since they were a part of our lives for years but stick with it and give the game a shot and take it for what it is.

I've yet to play Judgement myself since I was waiting for the PC release. I will also be reserving any and all judgement (pun intended) until I play a significant portion of the game first.

[Bonebreaker]

Originally posted by wasabi:

We can get attached to these kind of characters since they were a part of our lives for years but stick with it and give the game a shot and take it for what it is.

Like i said, besides the MC i realy like this game. Its an Yakuza game after all even if the MC and name is different and all the things that make the yakuza games amazing and let stand them appart from most other open world games are there.

One think i allways liked about the yakuza games is that the city is realy alive and you feel like you walk through a part of japan i you switch into first person mode. Another cool thing are always the minigames and that some side missions are even more fun and interesting to watch than the main story.

[wasabi™]

Originally posted by Bonebreaker:

Originally posted by wasabi:

We can get attached to these kind of characters since they were a part of our lives for years but stick with it and give the game a shot and take it for what it is.

Like i said, besides the MC i realy like this game. Its an Yakuza game after all even if the MC and name is different and all the things that make the yakuza games amazing and let stand them appart from most other open world games are there.

One think i allways liked about the yakuza games is that the city is realy alive and you feel like you walk through a part of japan i you switch into first person mode. Another cool thing are always the minigames and that some side missions are even more fun and interesting to watch than the main story.

Yeah I totally get where you are coming from and do agree that one of the things they do best in this series is capturing Japan so well.

It gives me so much nostalgia since a few years ago I moved to Japan for work and it was the best years of my life when I was there and this game is the closest to recapturing those memories for me, it's so highly detailed and beautifully crafted, I absolutely loved Yokohama in Yakuza 7 and looking forward to seeing what Judgement brings to the table.

So glad that the series is getting the recognition it deserves today.

[Skeeka]

I liked Yagami because he was a more realistic character than virtuous japanese fist Jesus Kiryu.

[TheZWolf]

I mean once they explain his background combined with what we learn at the start him being the way he is makes a lot of sense

[Bonebreaker]

Originally posted by TheZWolf:

I mean once they explain his background combined with what we learn at the start him being the way he is makes a lot of sense

Its not like i dont understand him or something like that, its just i dont like these kind of persons in general i think.

[TheZWolf]

Originally posted by Bonebreaker:

Originally posted by TheZWolf:

I mean once they explain his background combined with what we learn at the start him being the way he is makes a lot of sense

Its not like i dont understand him or something like that, its just i dont like these kind of persons in general i think.

I mean what is he supposed to do move on and ignore all the ♥♥♥♥ happening around him? Wouldn't be much of a protagonist if he did would he ?

[DooM Poster]

and i dont like you, but you dont see me complaining do you?

[Valk]

Originally posted by Bonebreaker:

I know thats a personal issue and so far i realy like this game, but the character of Yagami really drives me crazy. Its like he is looking for trouble all the time and try to p..s the Yakuza off whenever he can even at moments where there is no reason for it and you think to yourself "chill dude". I think the game would be much cooler if we had his yakuza buddy Kaito as MC.

Well to be honest you have to remember the reason why judgement exists. Ex-Yakuza are very stigmatised in Japan still, and quite a lot of Japanese people simply don't want to play as a Yakuza, whether it be current or former. Judgement exists to have the style and themes of Yakuza, but with a civilian protaganist instead.

Can't really say which of the two I prefer honestly. Kiryu is obviously the leading man so to speak, and has so much more to see, but Yagami is simply just a different person. They're just a different approach (compared to say, saejima, who was far more similar to kiryu).

Also as for sticking his nose into places it doesn't necessarily belong, well. He is a protaganist, he is a lawyer, and he is a detective. All three of those things would lead to sticking your nose into that sorta stuff to be honest. If Kaito was the protaganist, the story would likely go down the exact same way but would just lack any of the uniqueness that sets Judgement apart from Yakuza.

[Fennel]

I think the problem is less that Yagami is a boring character and more that he doesn't have a zany enough world to interact with. Part of the charm of the RGG games starring Kiryu is that he's impossibly straight-laced and noble but the world outside of the main story is just bonkers, which sets up basically everyone else to be the 'funny guy' to his 'straight man' schtick. Absurd things happen and Kiryu responds by being level-headed to comedic effect.

In Judgment there aren't quite as many absurd situations that come about, so you have a stoic main character interacting with rudimentary, more realistic situations. It feels like they were going for a bit more believable if not grounded storylines, but it just doesn't wind up with the same kind of effect as an ex-yakuza beating up a bunch of men wearing diapers.

[Valk]

Originally posted by Fennel:

I think the problem is less that Yagami is a boring character and more that he doesn't have a zany enough world to interact with. Part of the charm of the RGG games starring Kiryu is that he's impossibly straight-laced and noble but the world outside of the main story is just bonkers, which sets up basically everyone else to be the 'funny guy' to his 'straight man' schtick. Absurd things happen and Kiryu responds by being level-headed to comedic effect.

In Judgment there aren't quite as many absurd situations that come about, so you have a stoic main character interacting with rudimentary, more realistic situations. It feels like they were going for a bit more believable if not grounded storylines, but it just doesn't wind up with the same kind of effect as an ex-yakuza beating up a bunch of men wearing diapers.

Wait, boring how? We talking about the same Yagami? Yagami has a ton of personality, especially with Kimura's performance. It isn't the same as kiryu's "man out of his time" setup, but Yagami has plenty of pros in other spaces. Unlike Kiryu, he isn't afraid to get his hands dirty, or even toe the line of the law to get the desired result.

Some things I cant/wont say because they'd be spoilers, but there's plenty of stuff that makes Yagami stand out from the Yakuza protaganists in how he interacts with the world and the people in it. Kiryu and Saejima were always outsiders. Tanimura and Shinada got completely shafted with their lack of screentime and characters they could interact with. Akiyama was the only one other than Yagami who had meaningful interactions with the people in the world, rather than purely comedic like in Kiryu's case.

Also Yagami is massively more interesting as a character if you include both judgement games, and not just the first. It'd be like judging kiryu's character based purely on 1 / Kiwami 1, where he is probably at his blandest, due to the era the game was made in.

[Bonebreaker]

Its interesting to see so many different opinions about this character. However overall his personality is still not one i like, to hotheaded for my taste and he wallows far to long in what happend 3 years ago far to long for my taste. I would prefer a laid back detective like columbo. Someone who dosnt rush things all the time and keeps a cool head.

Also i dont think yagami stands that much out from MCs of other games. He is way to normal and acts most of the time like he has a bad day and trys to piss off as much people as possible. Sometimes he even seems a bit ungrateful to me.

Right now im in CH9 maybe it gets a bit better latter but i dont have much hope.

[ArthurBonds]

Originally posted by Bonebreaker:

Its interesting to see so many different opinions about this character. However overall his personality is still not one i like, to hotheaded for my taste and he wallows far to long in what happend 3 years ago far to long for my taste. I would prefer a laid back detective like columbo. Someone who dosnt rush things all the time and keeps a cool head.

Also i dont think yagami stands that much out from MCs of other games. He is way to normal and acts most of the time like he has a bad day and trys to piss off as much people as possible. Sometimes he even seems a bit ungrateful to me.

Right now im in CH9 maybe it gets a bit better latter but i dont have much hope.

He wallows in it? I'd say he doesn't, since he never mentions it unless someone else brings it up, then it visibly upsets him for a bit then changes the subject. Given I'm only in Ch. 5 but each time his case 3 years ago comes up, he never really openly shows his feelings about what happened.

That said, it is indeed part of his reason for being a detective - that he feels that justice may not be fully realized even after the court delivers the Judgment (roll credits), and that he can do better beyond the rules of the court.

It's no different from how Kiryu has Nishiki's and Yumi's deaths hang onto him very subtly even years after. And even then, Kiryu is hardened by all the death he's experienced in his life. Compare Yagami who believes his actions directly caused the death of a person, and thus triggered a contradiction with his life choices.