Elden Ring Open World vs Dragons Dogma 2 Open World

[Dangeki]

Which one do you think feels/will feel more alive? This isn't a discussion to pot stir I'm just curious what people think, and I'm aware 2 isn't out yet but it seems promising.

[Dangeki]

I guess comparing them is kinda pointless Elden Ring is a true Soulsborne game through and through and Soulsborne is more of linear go to A, B, C, D/Fight Boss with some fun secrets scattered here and there. The dynamic events of DD2 and the whole village raiding aspect/NPCs dying if you dont protect them/environmental hazards and so on puts more emphasis on the open world. Thank you folks for your input

[vintran]

Strictly from an 'objective' point of view, DD2's world will be more alive. But that doesn't mean that it will be more immersive or better-designed, it really depends on design intention and its execution.

Elden Ring doesn't really have active interactivity outside of combat as part of its design language, but it excels in world design (environments, architectures and lore) and extreme attention to details. In many ways it's still very immersive to explore the world despite it being 'dead', because you continuously discover new experiences and knowledge about it.

This has always been a strength in FromSoftware's games, the open world aspect makes it a more fully-realised universe. But it also has many cons. The catacombs are easily the worst part because of how uninspired and repeated the layouts/enemies are compared to the rest of the game. For souls games, it has to stay novel to keep being immersive.

For DD2, it will depend on the depth of the execution. Interactive NPCs will literally be more alive, but whether it will actually make the world more 'alive' hinges on the quality of the dialogues, reactivity and their personal progression over the course of the story. Think Red Dead Redemption 2 and Baldur's Gate 3 for comparison, those are the best examples.

[~ Fabulous ~]

well in Elden Ring most things look like either dead or are undead, so DD2 I guess since most things still alive.

[Budoshi]

cant say about elden ring as i couldn't get into it simply not my style but, if it is anything like the first game i found the world to be pretty much devoid of soul , i guess the term is souless ? so yeah and a bit kinda boring if i m being honest.. hope this one will be better.

[Ebon Wolf]

Elden Ding hardly has NPCs for a reason. Of course DD is more alive. Not even comparable.

[Kyota]

Yeah it's a poor comparison to make.

ER is barren - Which is odd, considering the lands between does not have "Destined Death" - meaning there should be a ton of people, even though there really aren't.

DD2 - pushes it's plot off of interactions with the many NPCs you encounter. Not too mention you literally are part of a troupe (you and your pawns). So it always gives off this feeling that you're never alone.

DD2>ER in open-world design.

[Nightrider-CIG]

DD2 should be much more dynamic and lived in than Elden ring. While Elden Ring is open world, most of the enemy NPCs are scripted to stay within a certain radius, and if they go too far they vanish back to the center of their respected area. Also there is only just you the tarnished who’s actually exploring the lands between, the NPCs you encounter are fairly static.

DD2 seems to be made in the opposite manor to where all enemies and friendlies are essentially unscripted and they can just wonder around and either attack, run, or talk. The only limitation to this I’m aware of is only 3 bosses can be on screen at once. As with enemies chasing you into a nearby town and having all the NPCs either fight or run and hide brings back memories of Skyrim.

[Gyson]

As others have explained, DD2 will feel more alive that Elden Ring. Now if you're wondering which will feel more immersive, that's a tougher call. Elden Ring is much more visually impressive than DD2 and DD2's dated looking environments can actually make it more difficult to feel immersed in their world. The quality of their animations helps offset some of that, however.

[Mixes]

All Dark souls games are dogsh*t. Dragons Dogma was always good. Hate that newtards are into Dragons Dogma all of a sudden.

[Bricky strong]

I get what you mean, yes and I understand that Elden Ring's about the undead. As for livelyness, I'd say Breath of the Wild did a better job then Elden Ring and I think Dragon's Dogma 2 will be better than both. Sure you wont be able to catch frogs but the npc's of Dragon's Dogma 2 look from futage shown to be very Lively.
This Game's HYPE!
Here's abetter question, will Dragon's Dogma 2 have a bigger launch player base? Elden Ring with a million but we will have to wait and see.....Elden Rings million player base at launch was pretty nutz.

[Gyson]

引用自 Bricky strong：

Here's abetter question, will Dragon's Dogma 2 have a bigger launch player base? Elden Ring with a million but we will have to wait and see.....Elden Rings million player base at launch was pretty nutz.

My expectation is that a fair number of people will try it, but a decent percentage of them will return and attempt to review bomb it because they were caught up in the hype and didn’t really understand the game they were buying into.

[VDRSK]

Dragon's Dogma,

FROM like to go the more sad, bleak, isolated and oppressive route with their worlds to the point where it feels special when you meet something that DOESN'T immediately try to kill you, with NPC, animal etc.

[vintran]

引用自 Bricky strong：

I get what you mean, yes and I understand that Elden Ring's about the undead. As for livelyness, I'd say Breath of the Wild did a better job then Elden Ring and I think Dragon's Dogma 2 will be better than both. Sure you wont be able to catch frogs but the npc's of Dragon's Dogma 2 look from futage shown to be very Lively.
This Game's HYPE!
Here's abetter question, will Dragon's Dogma 2 have a bigger launch player base? Elden Ring with a million but we will have to wait and see.....Elden Rings million player base at launch was pretty nutz.

Definitely not, I don't think it will even be even close. Elden Ring's prelaunch hype was insane. GRRM hype, coverage of the game reaching beyond gaming space. BG3 was considered a "surprising" roaring success for how well it did despite the game's relative 'smaller marketing budget'. But even then I think it was still more popular pre-launch than DD2.

DD2 will do great though given its prior niche appeal, unless it turns out to be a disaster at launch like Cyberpunk2077.

[Gyson]

引用自 vintran：

DD2 will do great though given its prior niche appeal, unless it turns out to be a disaster at launch like Cyberpunk2077.

DD2 will have some cringe issues to be sure. As an example, I can not un-see the pathing issues the pawn "Conan" is having 21 seconds into the video below as it gets stuck behind the tip of the tail of a downed griffon and runs in place until the griffon stands back up, missing the entire opportunity for free attacks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X83BHJdy3A0

Also odd mob behavior in general. There is another video showing a troll fight where the monster (true to its name) just continues to weirdly focus on the player (who is barely doing anything beyond trying to stand up from each assault) often with the troll crossing huge distances to attack the player again even though it's surrounded by pawns who are hacking on it and streaming fire into its face. That sort of stuff feels very gamey and immersion breaking.

A lot about DD2 is very janky, which pretty much keeps in line with the first game.

[vintran]

引用自 Gyson：

引用自 vintran：

DD2 will do great though given its prior niche appeal, unless it turns out to be a disaster at launch like Cyberpunk2077.

very gamey and immersion breaking

A lot about DD2 is very janky, which pretty much keeps in line with the first game.

So someone got a leaked copy of the game and streamed it on twitch for several hours before it got taken down. People who saw the stream commented that AI reactivity is almost non-existent. You can go into towns, murder and throw people around without them or the guards reacting at all. They seem to only react when enemies are brought into town.